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watermelon420 Amarr Dragons United Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:42:00 - [1] Does anyone else think that there should be a*****pit view? It be awesome seing what the accual pilot is seeing
Setenta	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:44:00 - [2] Edited by: Setenta on 02/12/2007 18:44:16 Edited by: Setenta on 02/12/2007 18:44:07 Dark gue?? The pilot is in the pod... drenched in gue... wired to the ship... nothing to see there.
Chris Supernova Gallente Xtraders	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:45:00 - [3] Edited by: Chris Supernova on 02/12/2007 18:48:01 Actually you are a pod pilot. You are in a pod. There is no*****pit. What you see and hear, even the overview and all other things on the screen is the interface of the pod. P.S. : Trying to find the Eve Chronicle which explains it all.
Kharadran Sullath Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:46:00 - [4] Edited by: Kharadran Sullath on 02/12/2007 18:46:52 You're the actual pilot, but as all ships have***pits, I believe, there's probably people working in them and they can probably look through the glass. It'd be cool to do that in a raven. Edit: No*pits? Take a look at the raven. What does that protruding thing in the middle look like to you? ------ Originally by:** Graveyard Tan I call bull** and troll. If you are deaf**, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
Bosie Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Kharadran Sullath Edited by: Kharadran Sullath on 02/12/2007 18:46:52 You're the actual pilot, but as all ships have***pits, I believe, there's probably people working in them and they can probably look through the glass. It'd be cool to do that in a raven. Edit: No***pits? Take a look at the raven. What does that protruding thing in the middle look like to you? Read the prime fiction then come back please. "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND
Tanaka Atsuko Gallente Custodis Silenti	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:48:00 - [6] you want to have a pod pilot view ? heres how you do it 1 get a box , barrel or some container. get in . have a friend lock you inside and push you into a pool pond river or ocean. enjoy the view from inside your pod
Johnny Meow	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:48:00 - [7] Ohhhh... I want to say***pit as well, since everyone is saying*pit so much.... And, yea, what they said, no*pit view, since the pilot is inside a pod and submerged in goo, so, once again, no***pits....
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:49:00 - [8] It would look like this. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:52:00 - [9] Despite the fact that such a view would not be realistic for the pod pilot to see, the equivalent of several different camera angles would still be pretty cool. With Trinity the ship models are detailed enough so that you could see parts of the ship in the foreground without them looking too ugly. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
watermelon420 Amarr Dragons United Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:53:00 - [10] damn i was thinking more like you look through the glass and see all these buttons and what not with a bunch of radars everywhere...I wanted a real*****pit view not some pod view well screw that idea.

Kiviar Caldari Vice-Presidential Action Rangers	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:00:00 - [11] I always figured I walked around my ship as a smartass hologram like in Andromeda. ---
Chris Supernova Gallente Xtraders	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:04:00 - [12] Read The Jovian Wet Grave and Camera Drones. I think you will understand what is that you see on your screen and why there is no one behind a*****pit.
Talkietoaster	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:09:00 - [13] Edited by: Talkietoaster on 02/12/2007 19:09:52 The word c÷ckpit is being auto-censored, I guess we won't have a***pit view any time soon www.eve-portal.de - Dein Einstieg in die Welt von EVE-Online - www.eve-portal.ch**
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:12:00 - [14] Edited by: Verone on 02/12/2007 19:14:18 Originally by: Kharadran Sullath Edit: No***pits? Take a look at the raven. What does that protruding thing in the middle look like to you? Read the game's prime fiction then you'll understand how a ship works in Eve. In a nutshell : Most of the NPC's you see in game (those not played by AURORA actors) are standard piloted vessels. They are crewed by standard crews with a captain, and are ran from a bridge. Player ships are crewed by a capsuleer (the player) and a crew. The player is sealed inside a capsule, which is hardwired via a neural interface to the ship's critical systems. The capsule also serves as an escape vessel when the ship is destroyed, and is jettisoned by force when the ship goes down. The ships we fly can effectively be manned by a crew with no capsuleer if needed, or in case of emergency hardware failure that leads to the capsuleer being isolated from ship systems, hence they have a bridge, or "cockpit" if you want to call it that. This is genreally used as a tactical bridge while the capsuleer is in place. So, there's no way to "see" out of your ship other than through the use of a camera drone, which is used as your viewpoint for gameplay in Eve. The whole process of piloting a ship is done mentally, with a pilot offering commands directly through thought to the ship's systems, and crew taking care of tasks assigned to them such as maintenance, reloading, jamming systems and the like. An idea of crew sizes from backstory is as follows (capsuleer inclusive) depending on race and class : Frigate hulls : 1-3 persons (most of these are solo pilotable without crew) Destroyer Hulls : 50-75 Industrial Hulls : 100-150 Cruiser Hulls : 5-800 Battlecruiser Hulls : 1250-2000 Battleship Hulls : 5000-7000 Capital hulls have never really been reference toward crew sizes, but assuming the scale is somewhat similar, and including fighter pilots and all the support required on board, a rough estimate imo would be : Dreadnaught Hulls : 25-30,000 Carrier Hulls : 50-55,000 Mothership Hulls : 90-100,000 Titan Hulls : 500,000+ >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<**
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:13:00 - [15] All the ships your are flying in EVE are frigate sized and above. There really shouldn't be some central 'cockpit' controlling the ship, and it damn well shouldn't be some exposed glass deal like on the Raven. Think of those things as the viewing deck or some other recreational facility. You could have a bridge view of some sort, but well you are in your pod and uh... yeah. ____ The Video Vault
yosef kaldhu Minmatar Genesis Trade And Industry Foundation	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:14:00 - [16] your are seeing wht the pilot sees as he sees the ship via a couple of camera drones flying around the ship with the interface imprinted on to tht =] ------------------- The life of one can change the lives of many
Mr Reeth Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:17:00 - [17] Fighters have a***pit. It would be cool for carriers to be able to select***pit view for their fighters. Other ships have a bridge. I think all ships can be piloted without a pod if the pilot wants to and has a crew... RP wise anyway. So maybe sometime after we can walk in stations we may be able to walk in our ships. Id love to see the inside of a Minmatar ship or Blood Raider ship.
Mallikan Gallente Spartan Hoplites Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:20:00 - [18] The best explanation of why ships would have a bridge, deck, or "viewing deck" would go back to the fact that there are (in fiction) crews. Now, though the pod pilot is essential at controlling the ship and activating weapons, the crew makes it happen. Could you have a bunch of untrained biomasses running around running things? No, you'd have to have an organized structure. So though you are the godlike pod pilot, there is still a captain and bridge crew. Simply put: rank structure. Someone has to be on the bridge managing the crew and your commands. Now if only they worked faster so that there wasn't module activation lag.. --- lol.. I messed up.
Mallikan Gallente Spartan Hoplites Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Mr Reeth Fighters have a***pit. It would be cool for carriers to be able to select***pit view for their fighters. Other ships have a bridge. I think all ships can be piloted without a pod if the pilot wants to and has a crew... RP wise anyway. So maybe sometime after we can walk in stations we may be able to walk in our ships. Id love to see the inside of a Minmatar ship or Blood Raider ship. A Sansha ship would be creepy as hell. --- lol.. I messed up.
Demon RIver Minmatar Malevolent Intentions	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:23:00 - [20] The mimmi shuttle has a huge window in the front to see out of.. its cool

Mr Reeth Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:32:00 - [21] Now that I think about it a little more... walking in ships would really kick butt. It shouldn't be to "Sims" though. I wouldn't want a lot of customization. But custom crews would be cool. We could have a single crew slot on all ships that provide a token bonus +3-5% to something based on crew type. And when you walk in the ship you will see those crew members. I'd really like the slave crews to provide a speed bonus so that Freedom Fighter RPers get really angry.
Mallikan Gallente Spartan Hoplites Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.02 22:22:00 - [22] I would love to see crew management. Of course, there would be plenty of whines about micro management and it being an unfair advantage to those that take the time to do it. But the scripts coming up in Trinity are one step closer to nice micro management, which I enjoy. But yeah, to hire a special weapons crew that would be very pricey, but the weapons would get a small bonus, like 2-3%. When the ship is lost, the crew is lost much like rigs. Heh, regardless of whether or not the crew gets in escape pods in time. But if micro management were more popular, this could be an awesome addition. Engine crews boosting the speed of the ship, or just the afterburner/MWD efficiency. Engineering crews for the shield systems. The way this could be balanced beyond "buy crew, 'install' crew" would be to pay them weekly. Sure, this is another situation like faction gear where the player with a butthole ton of money could be even more awesome, but if you got it, flaunt it. Hehe, I do believe we all had a part in hijacking this thread. OH, and*****pit. --- lol.. I messed up.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.12.02 22:26:00 - [23] Close your eyes: BAM **pit view. Also ships of this size have a bridge, not a pit. Originally by:** Karen Serasia Because some idiot decided to sell an internet connection to me and didn't think of the consequences.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.02 22:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Verone Frigate hulls : 1-3 persons (most of these are solo pilotable without crew) Destroyer Hulls : 50-75 I always thought destroyers had a very small crew, similar to the crew of a gunship. So it'd be more like 5-25. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.02 22:32:00 - [25] I would put destroyers more at the 10-18 crew size, frigs are 5-12 Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Asilah Na'kani Freed Radicals	Posted - 2007.12.02 22:35:00 - [26] Sure players are in pods, but I don't think anyone imagines his ship is piloted by a pilot in a pod. It's just silly and boring. I like to think of it more like Star Wars or something, with a bridge and a crew under your command
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.12.02 22:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Asilah Na'kani Sure players are in pods, but I don't think anyone imagines his ship is piloted by a pilot in a pod. It's just silly and boring. I like to think of it more like Star Wars or something, with a bridge and a crew under your command Then you should read the Chronicles linked above. There are no bridge crews on pod-piloted ships. The pod replaced them. The crews do the other work, like maintenance and the running of systems, Engineering, Weapons, etc. Originally by: Karen Serasia Because some idiot decided to sell an internet connection to me and didn't think of the consequences.
Asilah Na'kani Freed Radicals	Posted - 2007.12.02 22:48:00 - [28] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Asilah Na'kani Sure players are in pods, but I don't think anyone imagines his ship is piloted by a pilot in a pod. It's just silly and boring. I like to think of it more like Star Wars or something, with a bridge and a crew under your command Then you should read the Chronicles linked above. There are no bridge crews on pod-piloted ships. The pod replaced them. The crews do the other work, like maintenance and the running of systems, Engineering, Weapons, etc. Indeed, I know that. But I still think the idea of a pod blows, not because it wouldn't be plausible or anything, but I simply like the idea of a dude standing on the bridge yelling out commands instead of passing orders by some complex neural systems thingie. That's probably just me, but still.
Sandman 17 Veni Vidi Vici. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.02 22:52:00 - [29] Even if we weren't in pods, no one knows where the bridges to half of these ships are. For instance, the raven has at least three places that could be the bridge. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.02 22:57:00 - [30] Remember the pod pilot communicates with the ships AI and the AI carries out the commands, a ships AI is non sentient and is a basic decision making construct. The crew are for repairs and any manual labour duties and also for emergency backup I'm guessing, if the ship was damaged and the pilot was unable to access certain functions the crew could attempt to carry out the orders. Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time

Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:16:00 - [31] A***pit would only be useful for forward firing weapons. As all eve weapons are omni directional.. any***pit views will result in lots of black space as you orbit from 30km out and your nose is never pointed at the enemy anyways. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:17:00 - [32] Failure to read the backstory is Failure. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Ontaku Oroa Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:27:00 - [33] Edited by: Ontaku Oroa on 02/12/2007 23:28:00 Check out new Minmatar ship models, especially frigates and cruisers. They have very easily recognizable "****pits". I would sooner call them a bridge though. For example, since the approximate size of a Rifter frigate is that of a Boeing 747, you can imagine the size of it's bridge. I surmise it is a bit larger than the command pod on the Millenium Falcon from Star Wars. The Tempest also has easily recognizable bridge, right where one would expect it actually. So yes, ships have bridges. You can see them. End of speculation. :)
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Ontaku Oroa So yes, ships have bridges. You can see them. End of speculation. :) Of course they have bridges, where do you think they put the pod? - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:35:00 - [35] The ships have bridges because they are used by conventional crews and captains as well as pod pilots, most ships are retrofitted to incorporate the pod technology. Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:46:00 - [36] ALL ships are designed for walking human crews.. We just buy the specuially modified versions to accomidate our pods. NPC ships are all crewed by people and troops. Not pod pilots.. hence why "pod pilots" are so feared among the pirate orginazations.. cause a single pod pilot ship can wipe out 4-5 npc crewed ships of the exact same class but lacking the pod pilot. 1 Capsuleer Raven > 5 NPC ravens because of the added effeciency of the pod pilot. And another thing.. when the slightest *** in the*pit glass can suck your entire bridge crew and command staff out into space.. you tend to protect them a bit more by not giving them easy to shoot windows. When the body dies cause you cut off the head of the snake.. ppl tend to learn to hide the head internally rather then right out front and on top for all the world to shoot at.. ala star wreck. It always amazed me how long it took in that series before I finally heard someone say "Aim for the bridge".. ya know.. that big glass dome looking thing front and center of the saucer section of all starfleet ships.. or the forward head on the boom of Klingon ships.. or the big forward head on romulan ships... such an easy target.. took so long for anyone to notice it... See the borg had it right.. no visible***pit.. no easily targetable section that would allow you to kill the entire command crew in 1 shot. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Ulstan	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:52:00 - [37] Anything above a frigate (and bear in mind not even frigates are single man ships) would be using a 'bridge' view instead.
Commodore Andrews Golden Goose Inc	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:02:00 - [38] Why is there windows on all the ships? "Discussing moderation is a violation of the forum rules." <--- Ummmm I thought forums were BUILT for discussing?
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Commodore Andrews Why is there windows on all the ships? So the crew can see what's going on outside? Originally by: Karen Serasia Because some idiot decided to sell an internet connection to me and didn't think of the consequences.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:12:00 - [40] Originally by: Ulstan Anything above a frigate (and bear in mind not even frigates are single man ships) would be using a 'bridge' view instead. HA! beat you to it. See my post on page 1. Originally by: Karen Serasia Because some idiot decided to sell an internet connection to me and didn't think of the consequences.

Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:14:00 - [41] Originally by: Ed Anger does anyone else think this profanity filter needs to be a settings checkbox? i mean, comon,***pit is filtered?************* ummm yummy. You have not played RuneScape. -----sig-starts-here------ Ok I need a new sig so...
Freya Runestone Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:18:00 - [42] Originally by: Commodore Andrews Why is there windows on all the ships? because some part of space is pretty the ships still have crews, to load ammo, check the different parts of the ship to make sure they aren't broke. And every time you log off or loose connection the ship crew will take care of the ship, warp it away from the spot and switch off all systems to make it undetectable. ship models existed before there were pod pilots, they kept the basic models and adapted them to work with pod pilots.


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