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Tadehiro
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.12.04 02:46:00 -
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A friend suggested this; take a line from gallente and minmatar recon ships.
Instead of interdiction skirmish warfare links giving a bonus to both warp disruptor and stasis web range, have the claymore only bonus to web range.
Then give the warp disruptor range bonus to one of the information warfare link modules.
Thoughts?
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MellaRinn
Gallente Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.04 03:31:00 -
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the problem with this suggestion, the way I see it, is that you would get a VERY tough tackler - recons and eafs are not tough at all, they can be pretty much instapopped by two snipers (assuming no 1600mm fun), whereas an eos will take probably roughly 5 BS at medium range to even threaten its under-30second demise...
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.04 04:17:00 -
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just give it its two turrets back.
brutix 7 turrets, eos 5... ehhh why what logic dropped this bomb on us heh.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.04 04:45:00 -
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How about "do nothing" because it is currently very well balanced, and if you cant find a use for info war links you arent trying hard enough.
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Admiral Seafort
DarkStar 1
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Posted - 2007.12.04 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong How about "do nothing" because it is currently very well balanced, and if you cant find a use for info war links you arent trying hard flying in dedicated EW gangs enough.
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Tadehiro
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.12.04 04:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tadehiro on 04/12/2007 05:02:22
Originally by: Goumindong How about "do nothing" because it is currently very well balanced, and if you cant find a use for info war links you arent trying hard enough.
Oh info warfare links aren't useless to be sure.
You can also butter toast with a spoon, but why bother when a knife works so much better?
AKa: You could use info warfare links, and in certain situations they could be better. But why when you can equip Skirmish warfare links and ALWAYS be useful?
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Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus just give it its two turrets back.
brutix 7 turrets, eos 5... ehhh why what logic dropped this bomb on us heh.
vulture has 5 turrets, damnation has 5 missiles, claymore has 5 turrets. hell, sure, eos should have 24 turrets.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.04 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden
Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus just give it its two turrets back.
brutix 7 turrets, eos 5... ehhh why what logic dropped this bomb on us heh.
vulture has 5 turrets, damnation has 5 missiles, claymore has 5 turrets. hell, sure, eos should have 24 turrets.
ok... now.
how many turrets do their base models have? holy crap cyclone base 5 turrets.... ferox... holy crap again 5 turrets on the base hull... only oddball is the damnation which is some sort of bastardized missile boat now, then again amarr have always been weird. But hey it can still fit 7 weapons in the highs.
Now why does the eos not have 1-2 turrets more again?
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2007.12.04 16:05:00 -
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Mhhh. Smells like a claymore nerf to me. How about erm NO?
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Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus
ok... now.
how many turrets do their base models have? holy crap cyclone base 5 turrets.... ferox... holy crap again 5 turrets on the base hull... only oddball is the damnation which is some sort of bastardized missile boat now, then again amarr have always been weird. But hey it can still fit 7 weapons in the highs.
Now why does the eos not have 1-2 turrets more again?
other fleet command ships could add a bit of damage with 2 additional unbonused (spelling?) weapons, while the eos had improved dronebay. anyway, 2 additional highslots were supposed to host gang link modules.
still, the eos will retain its superior drone abilities. it means that while other ships have to choose between gang links AND a bit more firepower, eos still has both.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Eve University
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Posted - 2007.12.04 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden
Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus
ok... now.
how many turrets do their base models have? holy crap cyclone base 5 turrets.... ferox... holy crap again 5 turrets on the base hull... only oddball is the damnation which is some sort of bastardized missile boat now, then again amarr have always been weird. But hey it can still fit 7 weapons in the highs.
Now why does the eos not have 1-2 turrets more again?
other fleet command ships could add a bit of damage with 2 additional unbonused (spelling?) weapons, while the eos had improved dronebay. anyway, 2 additional highslots were supposed to host gang link modules.
still, the eos will retain its superior drone abilities. it means that while other ships have to choose between gang links AND a bit more firepower, eos still has both.
"superior" drone abilities? Woot, 75m3 of unbonused drones from a smaller bay that will die painfully if I'm not in blaster range to scoop them and cycle my waves. Superior indeed.
Maybe if they got a logistics drone bonus or something, otherwise train the damnation since DPS is so unimportant (assuming you don't want to train the shield skills et. al.)
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Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Ryuga VonRhaiden on 04/12/2007 23:33:07
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
"superior" drone abilities? Woot, 75m3 of unbonused drones from a smaller bay that will die painfully if I'm not in blaster range to scoop them and cycle my waves. Superior indeed.
Maybe if they got a logistics drone bonus or something, otherwise train the damnation since DPS is so unimportant (assuming you don't want to train the shield skills et. al.)
Minmatar got 40, amarr and caldari 25 each. 75 IS superior to 40, and it equals 3 times 25.
2 heavy drones might not have the DPS of 2 high-slot weapons, but they are essentially "free" (no cpu and pwg use, no slot occupied) so that makes up for the loss in DPS...
just maths.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:43:00 -
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/me sighs.
if you want to make the Eos better at its intended role, and more equal to the damnation:
1.change damage bonus for a optimal range bonus. fit rails 2.drop the drone bay size bonus (worthless anyone?) for a armor hp bonus. 3.give it 2-3 missle launcher hardpoints, so people stop whining about how the others can fit 7 weapons 4.realize what the eos is SUPPOSED to be doing, and realize that if a brutix does what you want better, you should be in an Astarte. 5.stop trying to make the Eos back into an Astarte v2.
Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Frances's Flittchen
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden
Minmatar got 40, amarr and caldari 25 each. 75 IS superior to 40, and it equals 3 times 25. 2 heavy drones might not have the DPS of 2 high-slot weapons, but they are essentially "free" (no cpu and pwg use, no slot occupied) so that makes up for the loss in DPS... just maths.
you just failed at understanding what a fleet command ship should do... not delivering dps, but supporting. eos is a supportdrone carrier. therefore it has, contrary to the other creodron ships, no drone damage bonus. its role should be carrying large repair drones or ew drones, not delivering dps. therefore the whole design of the eos was wrong before the nerf and is wrong after the nerf.
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
if you want to make the Eos better at its intended role, and more equal to the damnation:
1.change damage bonus for a optimal range bonus. fit rails 2.drop the drone bay size bonus (worthless anyone?) for a armor hp bonus. 3.give it 2-3 missle launcher hardpoints, so people stop whining about how the others can fit 7 weapons 4.realize what the eos is SUPPOSED to be doing, and realize that if a brutix does what you want better, you should be in an Astarte. 5.stop trying to make the Eos back into an Astarte v2.
why do you want the eos to be a bad damnation clone? 1. no... the vulture fullfills this role already 2. no, since its a creodron drone boat which should support with drones 3. no... this is no roden ship isnt it? point 4 and 5: most ppl complaining now about eos are complaining about its lacking ability to fullfill its role as a support drone carrier (with emphasis on support, not damage). a while ago most people whining about eos whined about the dps. this is the reason why we have now a super nerfed eos which cant even support anymore. in its current shape, it will vanish on the graveyard of ships no one uses because the dont have any role like ferox, brutix, prophecy, cyclone, almost all AFs.
there were a lot of suggestions. but threads containing those have been trolled by ppl who just wanted to see the eos nerfed badly, without caring about its role, just because it was a dps boat.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Frances's Flittchen
Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden
Minmatar got 40, amarr and caldari 25 each. 75 IS superior to 40, and it equals 3 times 25. 2 heavy drones might not have the DPS of 2 high-slot weapons, but they are essentially "free" (no cpu and pwg use, no slot occupied) so that makes up for the loss in DPS... just maths.
you just failed at understanding what a fleet command ship should do... not delivering dps, but supporting. eos is a supportdrone carrier. therefore it has, contrary to the other creodron ships, no drone damage bonus. its role should be carrying large repair drones or ew drones, not delivering dps. therefore the whole design of the eos was wrong before the nerf and is wrong after the nerf.
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
if you want to make the Eos better at its intended role, and more equal to the damnation:
1.change damage bonus for a optimal range bonus. fit rails 2.drop the drone bay size bonus (worthless anyone?) for a armor hp bonus. 3.give it 2-3 missle launcher hardpoints, so people stop whining about how the others can fit 7 weapons 4.realize what the eos is SUPPOSED to be doing, and realize that if a brutix does what you want better, you should be in an Astarte. 5.stop trying to make the Eos back into an Astarte v2.
why do you want the eos to be a bad damnation clone? 1. no... the vulture fullfills this role already 2. no, since its a creodron drone boat which should support with drones 3. no... this is no roden ship isnt it? point 4 and 5: most ppl complaining now about eos are complaining about its lacking ability to fullfill its role as a support drone carrier (with emphasis on support, not damage). a while ago most people whining about eos whined about the dps. this is the reason why we have now a super nerfed eos which cant even support anymore. in its current shape, it will vanish on the graveyard of ships no one uses because the dont have any role like ferox, brutix, prophecy, cyclone, almost all AFs.
there were a lot of suggestions. but threads containing those have been trolled by ppl who just wanted to see the eos nerfed badly, without caring about its role, just because it was a dps boat.
its true my suggestions start to make the eos like the vulture and damnation..but it also does exactly what you ask, it helps it better fullfill its role.
doing blaster damage at 2k does not help the eos fill its role. flying heavy drones also does not fullfill its role.
If if could put out some damage at range (rails) while having a better tank (this role you dont want active tanking) is a start. a bonus to use heavy rep drones would also be cool...but NOT heavy combat drones.
The missle launcher suggestion was just to shut up the whiners who complain the others can fit 7 weapons. And yes, they can, including the damnation. This is balanced by the fact the eos has so much more drone space and 3 times the drone bandwidth, but theys not enough for the whiners, so giving the eos a secondary weapon system is no big. Damnation is not a laser boat, but it has laster hardpoints. Heck, even the mega has missle hardpoints, so this is not without precedant.
the crux of the problem is that the eos is designed to gallente warfare philosophy, but this is not suited to the role at hand. doing damage at 2k while active tanking with a small buffer in a 50v50 bs fleet fight at 150km is not how you want to do it.
Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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TimMc
Gallente Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.06 00:23:00 -
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Dude this changed came online just a couple hours ago. You have no real basis to say its bad for at least a few weeks. Jita: No one gets out alive. |
Frances's Flittchen
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:26:00 -
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Edited by: Frances''s Flittchen on 06/12/2007 01:35:03
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn a bonus to use heavy rep drones would also be cool...but NOT heavy combat drones.
i suggested in several threads the eos should be changed like this:
5 turrets... yay 1 med slot to low... yay 75m3 bandwidth... no way, leave at 125m3 and give back old drone bay size.
switch 5% med hybrid damage bonus to 10% strenght, shield reload/rep amount, hp & armor of logistic and ew drones.
due to the missing med hybrid damage bonus there would be no problem even if the eos would use 5 ogre II since they would gain nothing from the drone bonus.
how come nobody noticed the worst eos nerf apart from the slot, turrets, dronebay & bandwidth? they stole its funky antenna which was moving from the left to the right. its was somehow stupid, but funny ^^
besides this, the eos is one of the BEST looking gallente ships after the graphics update (they are rare, but some are really good looking).
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VaderDSL
Caldari Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: VaderDSL on 06/12/2007 01:42:53 Edited by: VaderDSL on 06/12/2007 01:40:58 Love the new Eos
4 T2 Blasters 3 Links
10mn T2 mwd SB II 32km point 13km web electrochem + 800
2 MAR II 2 active exp II 2 eanm II DCU II
2 aux nano pumps
lots of waves of medium drones
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