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Wardeneo
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Posted - 2007.12.04 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Wardeneo on 04/12/2007 10:48:03
You have probably herd this alot so ill make it quick...
Gellente recons = good dampin ability + 40km+ scram range
Minmitar recons = Good webbing ability (40km+) and fast ships
Caldari recons = Good ecm jamming ability (especially after trinity)
Amarr recons = Obsolete to ther recons!
give the ammar recons a Major nos boost so it make it fair, as 1 on 1 a curse will loose agains any other recon by miles - so give ammar ships a major nos boost like it used to be but dont give the other races this boost and then we can alll be happy
also a TD boost/same as pre trinity would be good aswell
wardeneo
p.s in regards to trinity ecm boost for caldari - i think caldari need it because there not that good at pvp and most caldari pilots i know of fly EW for PVP
but dont forget ammar they need boosting aswell... right enuff said...........
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NoNah
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Posted - 2007.12.04 10:51:00 -
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Actually, the curse/grim wins 9/10 to any recon but the matari ones, where the odds would be much more equal. The amarr recons are the ones actually able to break a tank, the others are just able to kite the opponent.
To be honest, the ECM-boost was pretty much out of the blue. The specialized ships never needed another couple of boosts(note there are quite a few direct and indirect boosts of ECM this patch).
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Wardeneo
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Posted - 2007.12.04 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Wardeneo on 04/12/2007 10:54:59
 Originally by: NoNah
Actually, the curse/grim wins 9/10 to any recon but the matari ones, where the odds would be much more equal. The amarr recons are the ones actually able to break a tank, the others are just able to kite the opponent.
To be honest, the ECM-boost was pretty much out of the blue. The specialized ships never needed another couple of boosts(note there are quite a few direct and indirect boosts of ECM this patch).
o ok
and yes i agree i dont caldari ecm ships needs a boost coz i allways get jammed by them anyway :( But and this is a big but it will keep all the caldari people happy so..... whatever lol
wardeneo
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Riho
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:23:00 -
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lmao.. amarr ones suck ? :P ok ok .. pilgrim isnt that OP anymore but curse is even better now that ppl fit it proper.
minni recons only get 40km+ range on webs whit recon 5 or faction webs or over heating t1/t2 ones
just to correct you abit :) not many ppl train recon 5 (even tho most ppl who i know fly em have recon 5 :P )
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Aun Liss
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:25:00 -
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You can set up the Curse to beat any one of the other recons. It's almost seems to be designed to kill rapiers (actually it is). It's just the cookie cutter setups that have problems. Oh what a pity. The Pilgrim will still win, but has lesser chances to catch em.
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Wardeneo
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Aun Liss
You can set up the Curse to beat any one of the other recons. It's almost seems to be designed to kill rapiers (actually it is). It's just the cookie cutter setups that have problems. Oh what a pity. The Pilgrim will still win, but has lesser chances to catch em.
ok, but if its the setup thats the problem, can u give me a setup thats is good please
wardeneo
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DiaBlo UK
North Siders
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:40:00 -
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It might just be me, but i never thought recon ships were supposed to be solo ships.
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Ararius
Earned In Blood
Divine Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:43:00 -
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Theres a reason why NOS was nerfed....
But even with the changes, a nos/neut Curse will beat out the other recons...
Tank Killing Ability (usually) > webs, points, and ecm.
But all Recons are unique...
You want them all to do the same thing?
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Grytok
moon7empler
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:44:00 -
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Let's stop this right here, and take this over to that 15-page thread with mature discussion we allready created.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=621219
And no, the Pilgrim is'nt any good these days, as you can read up in the other thread.
Curse only works as a "nano-damper"-setup.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:46:00 -
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Putting a lot of punctuation at the end of the post doesn't make up for the extreme scarcity of it in the rest of your post.
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Originally by: "Cyberus"
cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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Wardeneo
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:51:00 -
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nano damper eh? i like the sound of that but it all sounds a bit like a leshesis tbh but ill take a look at the ther thread
wardeneo
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Ararius
Earned In Blood
Divine Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.04 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Wardeneo
nano damper eh? i like the sound of that but it all sounds a bit like a leshesis tbh but ill take a look at the ther thread
wardeneo
Nano Damper would be zooming around nukeing people's cap, and running RSDs so they cant lock you or your drones.
Continue until target is out of cap charges/cap or calls in friends to come get you.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.12.04 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 04/12/2007 12:44:39
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Gellente recons = good dampin ability + 40km+ scram range
 , A maxed out arazu pilot with T2 damps and 2* T1 damprig will take a recon down to about 20-25 km i though. While the enemy recon maintains 100% lockingspeed. 20... km... range...maxed out skills...bonussed ship...rigged. OK... Dampening does not exist anymore.
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Minmitar recons = Good webbing ability (40km+) and fast ships
40 km with maxed out skills, no 40+ crap. They rock though ^^
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Caldari recons = Good ecm jamming ability (especially after trinity)
Agreed
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Amarr recons = Obsolete to ther recons!
My cap still got one vollied (from 70-80ish %) when i was flying a stabber/vagabond. Neuts and nos destroy cap fast.
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give the ammar recons a Major nos boost so it make it fair, as 1 on 1 a curse will loose agains any other recon by miles
It simply isnt true anymore, the worst recons are now in the hands of the gallente. I dont mind, ill adapt. You do the same, stop whining. Yes, amarr recons are less effective in large gangs, but most amarrian ships are for gangs only. This ship is better @ soloing, be happy with that.
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Vireti
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Posted - 2007.12.04 12:50:00 -
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Actually a dev stated in general that the pilgrim is the way it is because they don't want to make a cloaking curse, that they're sure they can do better than that.
When i asked why the amarr don't get a cloaking variant of their recon (when the others are effectively a cloaking rook, Lachesis and huggin) i go no answer :tinfoil:
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kessah
Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.12.04 13:32:00 -
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Im pure amarr and use the curse frequetly, theres nothing wrong with this ship- fit it properly.
Pilgrim is also fine just use it tactic-fully. - meaning dont decloak 5km from a megathron thinking your trackin disruptors will sort him.
The only ship thats got a problem in the Amarr arsenal is the Apoc. Then again ive basically pure skills for all support and Lasers - so im not sure how bad they are with level 4 skills.
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