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Wyliee Taurus Inc	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:38:00 - [1] i think so in 1.0 - 0.5 your pretty much safe, might get the odd ore thief, but nothing much. the minute someone lays a finger on you concord attacks, and there is no chance of survial. 0.4 - 0.1 as long as your not at the gate, there is no such saftey, even at the gate as long as your not in a weak ship, you can shoot who you like with out much happening. very black and white.. and as a result 80% of players are in highsec, as low sec it just too hard for them. which benefits no one. i wish to the great god in the eve sky that eve was more multiple shades of grey, from nice white 1.0 down the very dark black 0.1 with different levels of npc intervention as the systems got more dangerous. people would progress out as they got better and more skilled. i never did get the highsec/lowsec black/white thing. i belive it would open the game up alot more. instead of craming everyone into the current safe areas. do it!
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:43:00 - [2] Grabs suiciding cruiser yep perfectly safe in 0.0, just leave all your haulers on auto pilot, cheers. --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:46:00 - [3] black and white? eve is the most grayscale'd game I know. --- planetary interaction idea!
Freya Runestone Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:49:00 - [4] Edited by: Freya Runestone on 04/12/2007 14:50:55 Originally by: Wyliee i think so in 1.0 - 0.5 your pretty much safe, might get the odd ore thief, but nothing much. the minute someone lays a finger on you concord attacks, and there is no chance of survial. 0.4 - 0.1 as long as your not at the gate, there is no such saftey, even at the gate as long as your not in a weak ship, you can shoot who you like with out much happening. very black and white.. and as a result 80% of players are in highsec, as low sec it just too hard for them. which benefits no one. i wish to the great god in the eve sky that eve was more multiple shades of grey, from nice white 1.0 down the very dark black 0.1 with different levels of npc intervention as the systems got more dangerous. people would progress out as they got better and more skilled. i never did get the highsec/lowsec black/white thing. i belive it would open the game up alot more. instead of craming everyone into the current safe areas. do it! Well the first assumption is wrong. you're not "safe" in highsec, you're just a bit safer than in lowsec, the only place you are 100% safe is in a station. It's not that EVE is black and white, even if it was shades of grey people would still gather in the white end of the scale, It's easier to do everything in highsec, the market is better, and you can earn pretty much the same amount of money as in lowsec/nosec, so why risk it?
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:51:00 - [5] Its been suggested before, and would be nice, but don't hold your breath. My .02ISK, low sec is more dangerous than 0.0 by a far margin. The best loot is in 0.0, the best place to sell it is in Empire. One way or another, you've gotta cross the low sec line to get where you want to be, and thats where they will almost always know to come get you. That, and the mission runners, and the more clueless newbs who aren't familiar with the low sec dynamic. Lotsa prey per system relative to 0.0.
Taedrin Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Freya Runestone Edited by: Freya Runestone on 04/12/2007 14:50:55 Well the first assumption is wrong. you're not "safe" in highsec, you're just a bit safer than in lowsec, the only place you are 100% safe is in a station. I would actually consider high-sec "safe", so long as you follow a few basic rules about not hauling expensive things in ships made out of paper-mache... And war decs really aren't nearly as dangerous as people make them out to be.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:57:00 - [7] Still think could be OK to put 3 Sentries on 0.4 gates and only 1 at 0.1 gates. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough

CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Grimpak black and white? eve is the most grayscale'd game I know. That wasn't funny.

Commander Prishe Caldari The LoneStar Corp Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:06:00 - [9] Total total agree with the OP. 1.0 - 0.5 is white 0.4 - 0.0 is black There is no grey... please explain to me where the grey is????
Taedrin Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Commander Prishe Total total agree with the OP. 1.0 - 0.5 is white 0.4 - 0.0 is black There is no grey... please explain to me where the grey is???? 1.0 - 0.5 is white 0.4 - 0.1 is black 0.0 is grey
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Commander Prishe Total total agree with the OP. 1.0 - 0.5 is white 0.4 - 0.0 is black There is no grey... please explain to me where the grey is???? 1.0 - 0.5 is white 0.4 - 0.1 is black 0.0 is grey There is Truth here.
Balthasar Moreq	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:12:00 - [12] Eve too black and white? what about all those lovely colors i see when flying around?
Commander Prishe Caldari The LoneStar Corp Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:13:00 - [13] Edited by: Commander Prishe on 04/12/2007 15:16:38 There is only black and white lol.... Concord spawns (white) 1.0 - 0.5 Or Concord doesnt spawn (black) 0.4 - 0.0 There is no gradual prgression through security levels that actualy means anything lmao. If there was, people would feel safer in 0.4 than in 0.3. I feel as safe in 0.4 as I do in 0.0....there is no difference.
Max Torps Gallente eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:14:00 - [14] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Grimpak black and white? eve is the most grayscale'd game I know. That wasn't funny. It was. Work is thataway! STARFLEET COMMS - Eve blogs, groups and forums
Blazing Fire Interstellar Operations Incorporated Black-Out	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:15:00 - [15] EVE is just fine. Blazing Fire CEO Interstellar Operations Incorporated Corp web site Recruitment PvPeers wanted for 0.0 Fleet ops and roaming/defense gangs Looking for experienced players Looking for new EVE players Services [Service] Killboard hosting [Service] Forum hosting [Service] Web site hosting [Service] Obelisk for rent [Service] Alliance Creation
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Commander Prishe I feel as safe in 0.4 as I do in 0.0....there is no difference. From this, I can only infer that you're not paying attention...
Mr Reeth Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:30:00 - [17] I think Concord should respond in all empire systems. The only place Concord doesn't belong is 0.0. But the reaction time should get slower the lower you go. Maybe even an hour in .1 systems. The timer would stop and the offender would be safe once he left the system.
Dragon Sworn Caldari North Star Networks Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Grimpak black and white? eve is the most grayscale'd game I know. ^^This^^ ------
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:36:00 - [19] OP is totally right, the massively greater chance of getting ganked in lowsec just doesnt justify 5% greater income per hour or whatever. Hence, not many people in lowsec. As has been said, .0 is probably safer and the commander/officer drops and mega bounties actually justify the risk. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
DHU InMe Gallente JUSTICE Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:44:00 - [20] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Grimpak black and white? eve is the most grayscale'd game I know. That wasn't funny. I was searching was "was not funny" for 1-2 sec Overhaul //todo remake EvE Links //todo remake RTFPN HELP
Alz Shado Ever Flow DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:51:00 - [21] Eve is a raster bar?
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:58:00 - [22] Yes, Eve is too black and white. Here's an idea for that, though part of a larger idea. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=625147&page=5#125 -AS The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.12.04 16:05:00 - [23] Eve isn't black and white enough! Gosh darn nebula clouds everywhere you look... Chaaaarlie... Chaaaaaaaaaarliiieeeeee... We're in the Cotton Candy nebula, Charlie! Right. Ok, enough of that tangent. What were you saying? ---- WSSH
Zarest Tarnak inc. Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.12.04 16:37:00 - [24] Your Graphics card is not showing color correctly.
Falkrich Swifthand Caldari eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.04 16:41:00 - [25] Edited by: Falkrich Swifthand on 04/12/2007 16:43:15 There is far too big of a jump between 0.5 and 0.4. Concord's reactions (apparently, haven't tested it myself) get steadily worse from 1.0 to 0.5, and then suddenly disappear completely. As a result, there is a stupid number of gatecamps on the high/lowsec border. I think it should be a much smoother transition, so that in lowsec (at least 0.4 and 0.3) concord exist, but don't turn up until well after something happens (15 min?). This would mean that gatecamps on the high/low sec border are possible, but can't be maintained for long periods of time because concord turn up eventually. To smooth it out more, the response times of concord in 0.5 and 0.6 could be worsened as well (I wouldn't want this to be an entirely carebear-friendly change ). As it stands at the moment there isn't much difference between 1.0 and 0.5, but getting in to lowsec is all but impossible. nullnull
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.04 16:42:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Grimpak black and white? eve is the most grayscale'd game I know. That wasn't funny. I made a funny with a dev name lol. --- planetary interaction idea!
Yosarian Hand Of The Tahiri Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.12.04 16:46:00 - [27] Low sec can be very safe once you get your act together: - Join a decent corp (and alliance) with decent communications about pirate activity, and thorough standings settings. Join one that has a good combat response time when hostiles are spotted - Find out what the general comms channels are in your region and get in them - Watch local. Watch local. Watch local. Get info on anyone suspicious and check their sec status - Fly in quiet enough systems where you can keep an eye on who's there relatively easily - Fly smart (don't loiter in dangerous places, scan frequently, fit stabs when in transit, don't go afk out of stations) - Work in a team when you can. Use scouts and escorts - Don't over-fit your ship with ultra-rare faction modules. Fly something that gets the job done and no more
NeoTheo Caldari Species 5618 R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.04 17:04:00 - [28] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Grimpak black and white? eve is the most grayscale'd game I know. That wasn't funny. I made a funny with a dev name lol. ohhh hek TN not in KIA anymore? i must learn to keep up.
Lilian Long	Posted - 2007.12.04 17:31:00 - [29] 0.0 can be anything from easy living to being really dangerous. If you are deep in friendly territory in 0.0 and there is no war, then it's often happy carebearing. Player (carebear) empires. There are areas, where you probably don't see any hostiles for a week and others, where it's too risky to go ratting or mining at all.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.04 17:38:00 - [30] Yet another person who defines the game by the mechanics. When I first lived in lowsec, my corp was at peace with the local pirates, so it was more or less as safe as hisec. When those pirates moved on, it was no longer safe. When I was in ISS and we were wardecced by Privateers, 0.0 was safer than empire. Grey enough? I agree that most people are in hisec because the world without NPC's to protect them is too hard for them, but that's not a problem with the game... - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.

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