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Avalon Stormborn
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2011.09.06 14:27:00 -
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I'm a bit bummed out by the fact that the Proteus can not field 5 heavy drones where an Ishtar can do exactly that. The Proteus is supposed to be the latest and greatest of the GALLENTE ships, and as Gallente are the drone race I just can't understand why the Proteus can not have 5 heavy drones out.
You have to use the proteus in a very specific manner, where T3 are supposed to be flexible. So by giving them 5 heavy they could take away more guns. But atleast the option would be there for you to design the ship like you want it, instead of that 1 setup that is the optimal one.
Since a Protues cost so much more than an Ishtar they wouldn't compete against eachother anyway. Gallente is about drones, and in my book it would make sense for it to have 5 heavy drones just like an Ishtar. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
21
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Posted - 2011.09.06 14:39:00 -
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Signed |
Tabernack en Chasteaux
Next Generation Material Solutions
8
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Posted - 2011.09.06 15:51:00 -
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Signed. As it stands, the Proteus is worthless as a drone boat. Worthless. |
Rek Seven
Zandathorn Industries
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:19:00 -
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Agreed. Drop a gun slot and allow 5 heavy drones. |
Doogan Yanumano
Black Dragon Kabal
Stark-Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:25:00 -
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Signed. I agree with ya man.
CCP Please sort this out ASAP as Avalon needs his Drones!!!! |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:36:00 -
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Sorry... as much as I would like that I can only see it obsoleting the Ishtar.
Here's the thing...
The Ishtar can field 5 heavy/sentry drones while the Proteus can only field 4... however the Proteus can field a MUCH more robust tank, has no fitting problems, and can fit a variety of weapons and/or utility that the Ishtar can't.
Also... if you look at the other sub-systems for ALL the T3s, you'll notice that the bonuses they give are less than the bonuses for the T2 ships they mimic. I believe this was done on purpose so that T3s do not/cannot completely replace T2 ships.
"Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one."
~Unknown |
Avalon Stormborn
Eleutherian Guard
7
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Posted - 2011.09.07 02:15:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Sorry... as much as I would like that I can only see it obsoleting the Ishtar.
Here's the thing...
The Ishtar can field 5 heavy/sentry drones while the Proteus can only field 4... however the Proteus can field a MUCH more robust tank, has no fitting problems, and can fit a variety of weapons and/or utility that the Ishtar can't.
Also... if you look at the other sub-systems for ALL the T3s, you'll notice that the bonuses they give are less than the bonuses for the T2 ships they mimic. I believe this was done on purpose so that T3s do not/cannot completely replace T2 ships.
Yes but this could still be balanced up by the subsystems if they gave it 5 heavy. Atleast I think so. The ship is very flexible, but right now, if you want damage, it's basically only one way to go with it. There should be a way where using drone could be able to reach that same DPS. |
Alxea
U-208
Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.07 02:37:00 -
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Sign this as well. It sucks as a drone boat, but it is a awesome DPS platform. Same tank as a BS and can do +1000 DPS. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
17
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:38:00 -
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Avalon Stormborn wrote:
Yes but this could still be balanced up by the subsystems if they gave it 5 heavy. Atleast I think so. The ship is very flexible, but right now, if you want damage, it's basically only one way to go with it. There should be a way where using drone could be able to reach that same DPS.
No... think ahead a bit. The issue I'm pointing out here is that the Proteus is flexible in all the ways the Ishtar is not. Ergo, if the Proteus can do what the Ishtar can do (i.e. deploy 5 heavies/sentries) then what reason do people have in going for the Ishtar?
Now, you COULD make the argument that the Ishtar is cheaper than the Proteus... but then that counter is knocked down by the fact that the Proteus can "multi-specialize" in more than one area... giving it more bang for the buck.
More than that... cost is RARELY a limiting factor for players. Seriously... look at the number of capitals, supercapitals, and pimped out ships in the spacelanes these days.
"Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one."
~Unknown |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Atlas.
61
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:43:00 -
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the only covops ship that can do 700+ DPS..
but yeah the drone thing, that's important |
Justin Cody
T.A.L.O.N. Company
B4D W01F
2
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Posted - 2011.09.07 08:56:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Sorry... as much as I would like that I can only see it obsoleting the Ishtar.
Here's the thing...
The Ishtar can field 5 heavy/sentry drones while the Proteus can only field 4... however the Proteus can field a MUCH more robust tank, has no fitting problems, and can fit a variety of weapons and/or utility that the Ishtar can't.
Also... if you look at the other sub-systems for ALL the T3s, you'll notice that the bonuses they give are less than the bonuses for the T2 ships they mimic. I believe this was done on purpose so that T3s do not/cannot completely replace T2 ships.
winner!
See to all you whiners...the BC version (Myrm) has the same limitation because the Ishtar is supposed to be special. Let it be special for god's sake!
I remember when the thorax could field 5 heavy drones. Good lord was it OP.
Back to your caves under your rocks! |
Avalon Stormborn
Eleutherian Guard
7
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Posted - 2011.09.07 10:22:00 -
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Yeah but the thing is, the Proteus is a Gallente ship. The top of the line in cruisers. Gallente is all about drones, so it makes sense that it would have 5 heavy drones too. It would not compete with an Ishtar because it would be SOOO much more expensive. Ishtar is what I would take to a PvP fight, Proteus for missions. If I would be rich, then yes, I'd might use a Proteus for PvP too, but only if I'd rich.
The thing is, the Proteus CAN do amazing damage, but it's with blasters. If they gave a Proteus 5 drones it would still not come up to the same damage as it would have with blasters, but it would allow us who prefer to fight with drones better damage than with just 4. Note, it would STILL not be as amazing as with blasters, but atleast better than it is today. Basically it just gives us the OPTION to go with drones too, if we prefer it. |
XIII'th
Unseen Academy
The Unseen Company
0
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Posted - 2011.09.07 10:55:00 -
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Signed.
Stupid Gila can field more, not to mention how much **** can it take to drone bay. |
Kon Illat
2 Minutes of Oxygen
0
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:31:00 -
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Try this, replace:
Ishtar -> Drake (yes I know the Ishtar is a HAC, and a Drake is a BC, but work with me here)
Proteus -> Tengu
drone bw -> HML
wrote:Sorry... as much as I would like that I can only see it obsoleting the Drake.
Here's the thing...
The Drake can field 7 heavy missile launchers while the Tengu can only field 7... however the Tengu can field a MUCH more robust tank, has no fitting problems, and can fit a variety of weapons and/or utility that the Drake can't.
Wouldn't it have been funny if the Tengu were forced into more of a hybrid weapon role - much like a Proteus? Ok, don't touch the Tengu - I don't want to see the forums explode.
tl;dr I'm sure that some balancing could be done to make the Proteus a relatively balanced ship and bump the drone capabilities to 125. But then again - when was the last time CCP didn't nerf, but actually buffed Gallente, 2005? |
Lt Vente
1st Black Hawk Holding
Black Hawk.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:34:00 -
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Gila is so nice to fly...for missions and plex
Didnt tried it yet for pvp but with his missles and drones he
will be mabey some better then ishtar.
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Avalon Stormborn
Eleutherian Guard
7
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Posted - 2011.09.07 18:41:00 -
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I don't know much about a Gila but it sounds like a copy of the Ishtar except it uses missiles? |
Alxea
U-208
Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate
9
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Posted - 2011.09.07 21:52:00 -
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Avalon Stormborn wrote:I don't know much about a Gila but it sounds like a copy of the Ishtar except it uses missiles?
The Gila has a better tank too. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Atlas.
61
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Posted - 2011.09.07 22:26:00 -
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Avalon Stormborn wrote:I don't know much about a Gila but it sounds like a copy of the Ishtar except it uses missiles?
it's more of a Drake that can field the drones of a Dominix
but has really low cpu to the point where only pve fits are valid. |
Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.07 22:48:00 -
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Going to go with no on this one.
I can see the RP reasons why, but from a balance perspective, no.
Its already as good as the tengu, better for short-ranged fleet work, it really doesn't need any more DPS! Even losing a gun wouldn't be enough. It would probably overtake the tengu as the #1 Tech 3 if they had this ability as it would remove the only role they were weaker than the tengu at aka long range harassment fighting.
As it is I think the loki and legion could probably use a boost to catch up. Loki for example, while faster maxes out at about 500-600 dps with any sort of a tank on it. |
Avalon Stormborn
Eleutherian Guard
7
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Posted - 2011.09.07 22:52:00 -
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Yeah but if you could balance 5 heavy drones to be equal to the others there is no such problem. The main problem is basically that you just can't have 5 heavy out when you should be able to have them.
So, either you go blaster and have say 800 DPS. Or Either you can go drones and also have 800 DPS. In reality it wouldn't matter which as the damage is the same. But for the player they would be able to choose to go with drones or blaster. The player acutally has a choice. |
Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.07 22:59:00 -
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No, its not, the point is it shouldn't be able to fill every role.
The long range harassment role is where the tengu and legion dominate.
It may not be 'overpowered' individually in that fit, but it gives it the most options of any Tier 3, which isn't what we want. To do both for any other race requires training two ships, except gal. Thats balance as well just of a different kind.
Its not just their power in any specific role, its the number of roles it can fill as well. |
Avalon Stormborn
Advent Ltd.
Greater Realms
9
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Posted - 2011.09.07 23:02:00 -
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I see what you're saying. But in such a case, I would much rather see the Proteus as a Drone boat and nerf the blaster variant, making the Proteus a drone boat as a main role. It is after all the Gallente way. |
Rek Seven
Zandathorn Industries
3
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Posted - 2011.09.08 09:43:00 -
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Rhinanna wrote:No, its not, the point is it shouldn't be able to fill every role.
The long range harassment role is where the tengu and legion dominate.
It may not be 'overpowered' individually in that fit, but it gives it the most options of any Tier 3, which isn't what we want. To do both for any other race requires training two ships, except gal. Thats balance as well just of a different kind.
Its not just their power in any specific role, its the number of roles it can fill as well.
Dude, missile boats, the Tengu especially, are OP in comparison to ships like the proteus!
You can fit the Tengu for good damage at long range and you can fit it for awesome damage at close range. I'll admit, i'm no expert when is comes to missiles but after a quick look at the stats, it looks like you can use the high damage missile/launchers out of web range. The proteus' blasters wouldn't be effective at that range.
The proteus should be able to employ the same tactics. It should be able to use slow ass heavy drones for long range or blasters for short range... Don't even mention rail guns.
And if you think that would be OP, don't forget that drones can be destroyed while missile launchers can't.
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Zavulon Sukkot
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
10
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Posted - 2011.09.08 13:26:00 -
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Avalon Stormborn wrote:I see what you're saying. But in such a case, I would much rather see the Proteus as a Drone boat and nerf the blaster variant, making the Proteus a drone boat as a main role. It is after all the Gallente way.
Actually, I'm pretty sure gallente was primarily intended for blaster setups -- drone bonuses have pretty much always been secondary for most of the subcap lineup.
Anyways, considering the speed and blasters you can get out of a proteus vs ishtar, just switch from sentries to heavys, orbit your heavys, and blaster out whatever comes close. A 5 heavy drones proteus would probably make for too OP a drone boat.
Don't forget the massive drone navigation bonus you get on a proteus when you have the Augmented Cap Reservoir sub as well. You might max out at 4 heavys, but in exchange the drones are MUCH faster. |
Rek Seven
Zandathorn Industries
3
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:07:00 -
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^ Not so. When is created my character it listed Gallente as the drone specialists so i chose Gal because i liked the sound of that... Little did i know an all drone boat can't compete with an all gun/missile boat.  |
Zanziba'ar
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
10
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:25:00 -
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It will teach you to get those bloody guns out
- Mulzvich "Zanziba'ar" Gorath |
Shelley09
Spiritus Draconis
0
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Posted - 2011.09.14 00:00:00 -
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OK..i agree Proteus should b better at pve and not entirely dependent on blaster guns as the tengu and other more ranged fitted t3's have an UNFAIR advantage - but to not **** everyone off: make it so the proteus can only go with a drone boat whilst being pve fitted- not buffer tank. |
Capt Spidey
Taiidan Technologies
0
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Posted - 2011.09.17 04:33:00 -
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yes, it makes sense for the Gallente elite cruiser to have 5 heavy drones! so give Avalon hes drones  |
Jon Marburg
The Executioners
Capital.Punishment
3
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Posted - 2011.09.20 11:47:00 -
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Proteus really should have 5 heavy/sentry option. Obviously it shouldn't maintain the same dps it gets in its blaster conformation, but it should have the ability to put out some sort of damage projection. As it stands the Tengu can do roughly 700 dps in a <20 km fit and 500 dps <80 km with the Legion and Loki having roughly similar numbers where the only valid fit for the Proteus is a blaster fit of 900 dps at point blank. Outside of 15 km Proteus can only apply 5 medium drones or rails  . In regards to the Ishtar, yeah the Proteus would be able to fill a similar role but at the cost of increased train time and finances. I don't see anyone complaining that the Legion is taking the Sacrilege's role or the Loki replacing the Rapier. Don't even get me started on the 75 bandwidth CCP thought was appropriate for the majority of Gallente drone boats. Really I need to deploy 3 different types of drones to maximize dps seriously? Even 100 bandwidth would be a vast improvement. |
Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
10
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Posted - 2011.09.20 20:03:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Sorry... as much as I would like that I can only see it obsoleting the Ishtar.
Here's the thing...
The Ishtar can field 5 heavy/sentry drones while the Proteus can only field 4... however the Proteus can field a MUCH more robust tank, has no fitting problems, and can fit a variety of weapons and/or utility that the Ishtar can't.
Also... if you look at the other sub-systems for ALL the T3s, you'll notice that the bonuses they give are less than the bonuses for the T2 ships they mimic. I believe this was done on purpose so that T3s do not/cannot completely replace T2 ships.
The exception being that a warfare T3 outbonuses an actual Command Ship for whatever unfathomable reason.
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