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Xequecal	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:25:00 - [31] Edited by: Xequecal on 06/12/2007 17:27:14 Edited by: Xequecal on 06/12/2007 17:25:41 Originally by: Impolite Andevil I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but has anyone used a large shield booster with multiple amps? That would knock down the cap use a fair amount, but I am not sure it would keep up with the damage. Using a scorpion in EFT, I can put a Gist B-type large shield booster, 3 boost amp 2s, and 3 hardeners (ok against 2-damage type missions) and get a boost amount of 495 every 3.2 seconds. A pith b-type does 620 every 3.2 seconds. I am wondering if this ship wouldn't do better with a fairly decent large shield booster and a few high-end shield boost amps instead of an XL setup. I just can't get an XL setup with reasonable cap efficiency so far. 4x Tachyon Beam Laser II (Amarr Navy Multifrequency L) 2x Heavy Diminishing NOS Caldari Navy XLSB Caldari Navy SBA 2x Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field 3x Cap Recharger II 3x Amarr Navy Heat Sink Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer 2x CCC II Energy Locus Coordinator I Needs a 3% PG implant to fit. 916 gun DPS, 44km optimal, 396 DPS tanked sustained, 754 DPS tanked reinforced. This craps all over any cruise CNR.
achoura	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Xequecal Edited by: Xequecal on 06/12/2007 17:27:14 Edited by: Xequecal on 06/12/2007 17:25:41 Originally by: Impolite Andevil I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but has anyone used a large shield booster with multiple amps? That would knock down the cap use a fair amount, but I am not sure it would keep up with the damage. Using a scorpion in EFT, I can put a Gist B-type large shield booster, 3 boost amp 2s, and 3 hardeners (ok against 2-damage type missions) and get a boost amount of 495 every 3.2 seconds. A pith b-type does 620 every 3.2 seconds. I am wondering if this ship wouldn't do better with a fairly decent large shield booster and a few high-end shield boost amps instead of an XL setup. I just can't get an XL setup with reasonable cap efficiency so far. 4x Tachyon Beam Laser II (Amarr Navy Multifrequency L) 2x Heavy Diminishing NOS Caldari Navy XLSB Caldari Navy SBA 2x Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field 3x Cap Recharger II 3x Amarr Navy Heat Sink Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer 2x CCC II Energy Locus Coordinator I Needs a 3% PG implant to fit. 916 gun DPS, 44km optimal, 396 DPS tanked sustained, 754 DPS tanked reinforced. This craps all over any cruise CNR. With or without damage implant?
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:50:00 - [33] No damage or RoF implants.
achoura	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:54:00 - [34] Oh jackpot. I still prefer my navy tachs cap wise, extra damage mod (almost) offsets the lack of the spec skill.
Yonos Balsarferskratchin Inc Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.12.06 23:29:00 - [35] I changed to something similar to achorans setup and got better results. Also, tachyons are only way to go if you are missioning.
Surreptitious Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:06:00 - [36] Im running,, 4xT2MP, 2xHeavy Nos 1xUtility, 1xT2 Large Injector, 1xPith/GistXL Xtype, 4x hardners 2xT2 Cap Flux Coils, 3XT2 Heatsinks 3XCCC Rigs Utility is AB, Web, Amp, 5th Hardner. Doesnt perma tank but recharge rate is high enough 9/10 times you wont need the injector at all. I used the same tank on a CNR and have no problems tanking any mission so despite having only a few attempts thus far I am confident it is equal and depending on what I put in the utility sometimes better. And of course haivng the grid/cpu to fit Nos makes a ton of difference. For my skillset this ship is uber, like mission running on easy mode. Sure the range of a CNR was nice but the dmg from a Nightmare is insane. Not ingame but i think its @ 16.5dmg mod with a 4 second rof,, nuts. Im maxed Amarr and training Cal BS 5 purely for this ship. Syrup PS This is on my mission running character so no-one come try to blow me up :)
Kattala	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:18:00 - [37] I'm using: 4 tach (2 x dark blood; 2 x named) / 2 NOS (named) LSB (officer); inv (dread g); 2 x hard (tech2); 2 x amp (tech2) cap rech (tech2) dmg (tech2); 3 x power diag; H (dark blood) 3 x CCC RIG It's givining me regeneration ~196dmg/sec Resistance is 74/78/67/79 My shield skills are crap - so I know I can move it up. Additionally I can change tech2 equip to something better. Regards, Kattala
Zaphroid Eulthran Minmatar Imperial Visions	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:29:00 - [38] I am currently using: 4x modulated Tachs with multi/infra-red, looking for faction tachs and crystals till I get T2 trained 2x Dimi Nosses, (NPCs have effective infinate cap so it always sucks max) 100MN AB II CN XL booster CN boost amp PWNAGE target Painter 3x Active Hardeners T2 3x Heat Sink II 2x PDU II Have got 3x CCC but am undecided between them or a mix with gunnary rigs. Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters <- not T2 bazillion ISK alliance toys
Exiled One Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:41:00 - [39] Edited by: Exiled One on 07/12/2007 20:46:10 Edited by: Exiled One on 07/12/2007 20:43:25 Pew pew 4x tachs II; 1x faction heavy nos; tbeam 1x gist b/x-type xl sb, dg amp, 4x t2 hardeners, 1x cap rech II 3x officer heat sinks, 2x pdu II 2x ccc, 1x -15% to cap consumption on energy turrets (forgot the name) replace t2 with officer/faction (esp the tachyons) and you got a solid setup doing 3k excellents every 6 and a half seconds per turret replace ccc with t2 ccc and you're good to go edit: wooo include 5% rof and 5%(3%) damage to L energy turrets implants, along with a tracking one if possible funny thing is loladin will have the same dps all hail the amarr Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Shufo ([email protected])
Zaphroid Eulthran Minmatar Imperial Visions	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Zaphroid Eulthran I am currently using: 4x modulated Tachs with multi/infra-red, looking for faction tachs and crystals till I get T2 trained 2x Dimi Nosses, (NPCs have effective infinate cap so it always sucks max) 100MN AB II CN XL booster CN boost amp PWNAGE target Painter 3x Active Hardeners T2 3x Heat Sink II 2x PDU II Have got 3x CCC but am undecided between them or a mix with gunnary rigs. Ok so I had this lot fitted (minus AB +4th hardener), and I went for 2x CCC Rigs, still hesitant on a 3rd CCC vs a 15% reduction in Tach cap use. I just got Pirate Slaughter Lvl4, and got my arse handed to me on a hastely, although well prepared, plate. Got scrambled by 1(or more) Arch Gistii frigs, with just about everything shooting balls of light at me, after 13,000ish hp of shield had evaporated I was spamming warp while trying in vein to identify which of the 20 ships around me was doing the scrambling. Memo to self, bump the "you are warp scrambled by..." icon, thread. By the time my adrenaline haze and general im gonna loose my Billion ISK uninsured Faction BS panic had gone I saw my ship in warp with 795 of 10,325 (unresisted) hull hp remaining (yes really) I was saved, ironically enough, by random drone aggro, my drones popped the scrambling ship and I was away, minus my 5 poor little hobgobs NPCs murdered them while I was away. So my question is where did it go wrong? I have a nighthawk and I never even blink really with this mission. Is the mission different? wallet shows 28 ship kills when I finally finished after numerous warp in/outs. sry about long post was setting the scene (and going for my highest character count ever) Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters <- not T2 bazillion ISK alliance toys
Exiled One Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.08 02:04:00 - [41] nice on the hull What kind of setup is that? drop the tp, what do you have in the 7th med slot and what sb you use? you don't buy a 1.5bil ship to fit t2 on it, get a gist c-type xl at least. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Shufo ([email protected])
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.08 02:14:00 - [42] how will it work with a large shield booster II and 2x Shield boost amps, and a crystal set
Exiled One Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.08 02:18:00 - [43] Edited by: Exiled One on 08/12/2007 02:21:07 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton how will it work with a large shield booster II and 2x Shield boost amps, and a crystal set Will suck ass man due to cap per cycle use. Get a deadspace/officer xl, 1 amp. gist b-type xl w/ btype amp and lg crystal set boosts something like 1050hp per 170 cap. edit: WTB officer tachyon beam lasers, send mail ing. or post in my WTB thread; paying good. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Shufo ([email protected])
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.08 02:22:00 - [44] Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton how will it work with a large shield booster II and 2x Shield boost amps, and a crystal set Will suck ass man due to cap per cycle use. Get a deadspace/officer xl, 1 amp. gist b-type xl w/ btype amp and lg crystal set boosts something like 1050hp per 170 cap. 160 cap/cycle lsbII (and yes i used a LSBII on a raven for level 4s and a sba I, and no crystals) 179 cap/cycle gist c type and its a lot cheaper, although i would take the gist over it any day, and we are talking faction ships so i guess cost shouldn't be that much of an issue. that is worse cap then a deadspace xl?
Exiled One Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.08 02:26:00 - [45] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton how will it work with a large shield booster II and 2x Shield boost amps, and a crystal set Will suck ass man due to cap per cycle use. Get a deadspace/officer xl, 1 amp. gist b-type xl w/ btype amp and lg crystal set boosts something like 1050hp per 170 cap. 160 cap/cycle lsbII (and yes i used a LSBII on a raven for level 4s and a sba I, and no crystals) 179 cap/cycle gist c type and its a lot cheaper, although i would take the gist over it any day, and we are talking faction ships so i guess cost shouldn't be that much of an issue. that is worse cap then a deadspace xl? And what's the boost amount? With 2 amps you lose 1 hardener. Gist a/b/x-type xl + +37,5% amp > anything else Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Shufo ([email protected])
Zaphroid Eulthran Minmatar Imperial Visions	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:14:00 - [46] Originally by: Exiled One nice on the hull What kind of setup is that? drop the tp, what do you have in the 7th med slot and what sb you use? you don't buy a 1.5bil ship to fit t2 on it, get a gist c-type xl at least. Its a Caldari Navy XL booster and a Caldari Navy Boost amp. and it was around 840Mil when I bought it :) It seemed I had enough boost until the cap emptied, then it went downhill very rapidly. I have maxed Shield and Cap skills, my gunnery however leaves alot to be desired. What goes in place of the tp then? Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters <- not T2 bazillion ISK alliance toys

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