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Litre
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:00:00 -
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Am I the only one wondering how much cache is extreme actually using? Then again we live in the age of terabyte drives so what could extreme mean? 100 megs of cache? If so most of us can run with that on extreme eh?
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Litre
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:00:00 -
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Am I the only one wondering how much cache is extreme actually using? Then again we live in the age of terabyte drives so what could extreme mean? 100 megs of cache? If so most of us can run with that on extreme eh?
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Minsc
Gallente
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:03:00 -
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I'm guessing a gig if you have it, I've got 2.5 gigs of memory in my system and I'm more than happy to give eve 1 gig of that while I'm playing.
 Originally by: Sharkbait
please for the love of god read the dam stickies
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Minsc
Gallente
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:03:00 -
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I'm guessing a gig if you have it, I've got 2.5 gigs of memory in my system and I'm more than happy to give eve 1 gig of that while I'm playing.
Originally by: Sharkbait
please for the love of god read the dam stickies
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:12:00 -
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Ive set the cache to extreme and Eves ExeFile.exe is using 850mb Ram, I dont know how to list or check the graphics ram its using though.
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
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Litre
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:12:00 -
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I thought cache, was meant as in the cache folder in ur EVE folder which caches your previously access character portraits, etc
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:12:00 -
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Ive set the cache to extreme and Eves ExeFile.exe is using 850mb Ram, I dont know how to list or check the graphics ram its using though.
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
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Litre
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:12:00 -
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I thought cache, was meant as in the cache folder in ur EVE folder which caches your previously access character portraits, etc
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Blind Man
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:13:00 -
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no I'm sure it means how much RAM for eve to use while it is running.
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Blind Man
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:13:00 -
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no I'm sure it means how much RAM for eve to use while it is running.
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Daelorn
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Litre
I thought cache, was meant as in the cache folder in ur EVE folder which caches your previously access character portraits, etc
Yes that is cache. But the box where you can set it is refering to RAM usage. 
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Daelorn
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Litre
I thought cache, was meant as in the cache folder in ur EVE folder which caches your previously access character portraits, etc
Yes that is cache. But the box where you can set it is refering to RAM usage.
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Manos Malos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:17:00 -
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higher cache = better performance?
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Litre
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:18:00 -
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Oh, sheesh then they should have called it RAM usage... hence the need for clarification, ahem CCP
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Litre
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:19:00 -
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And yes higher cache = higher performance, especially if we're talking RAM, since it'll speed up any data requests EVE makes, loading etc is especially faster.
But that's only if you have enough RAM to spare though, giving EVE too much RAM would limit the amount available to other programs if you run like 10 at a time at me.
So now I need to consider lowering that to run 2 clients etc...
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Mie Chiwan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Litre
Oh, sheesh then they should have called it RAM usage... hence the need for clarification, ahem CCP
Uhm... no they did it quite right, since the biggest lot of the userbase probably is not familiar with that termology.
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Litre
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:25:00 -
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Well some of us do know the ins and outs of a computer, so like I said clarification would be nice! And an actual megabyte value/"range" assigned to what Extreme is etc would be nice too...
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Litre
Well some of us do know the ins and outs of a computer, so like I said clarification would be nice! And an actual megabyte value/"range" assigned to what Extreme is etc would be nice too...
You obviously dont if you could not figure out what they meant by resource caching, they even describe it if you hover your cursor over it lol 
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
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Litre
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:33:00 -
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Oh, there's a hover function... so is that intuitive? :P
Though I guess you should be able to put two and two together since it's under the graphics tab, but I'm cramming for my Computer Science 313 course right now and the word cache well, means a lot of things.
And though RAM and your cache are both in the memory hierarchy, to me cache = SRAM and RAM = DRAM, and well I'll shut up now because I'm supposed to accidentally hover my cursor over the title "knowing" a detail tip will pop-up.
But still that leaves the question, how much RAM does Extreme take? I'm at 488 megs now, so what will that max out at? That isn't anywhere...
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Kwa Kaine
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:34:00 -
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Some clarification of the numbers for the different setting's would be nice, mines set at high at the minute and is using 800mb of memory.
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Simplus Massive
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:37:00 -
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prefs.ini:
Cache Size Off: resourceCacheSize=0
Cache Size Low: resourceCacheSize=32
Cache Size Normal: resourceCacheSize=128
Cache Size High: resourceCacheSize=256
Cache Size Extreme: resourceCacheSize=512
Shadow Quality Off: shadowBufferSize=0
Shadow Quality Normal: shadowBufferSize=1024
Shadow Quality High: shadowBufferSize=2048
Shadow Quality Extreme: shadowBufferSize=4096
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Litre
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:40:00 -
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Yay, someone who knows where to look, thanks
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Litre
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:54:00 -
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Though resource cache, someone in corp chat was saying it's memory usage on a video card? As I understand it, a video card caches frequently referenced textures etc on its onboard memory where possible, so I don't know why CCP would need to go fiddling with that, unless EVE wants to know how much ram your video card has, it should be able to figure that out itself.
Perhaps it's total memory to set aside for graphics caching, on vid card and RAM?
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Daphne Eveningstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 02:09:00 -
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The pop-up descriptions are vague too:
Shadow quality: The premium version has the option of showing objects that cast a shadow onto themselves. This adds a layer of realism but does so at the cost of performance on less powerful platforms. Only user the larger buffer sizes on high-end equipment.
Cache size: This controls how much memory to use for resource caching. The higher this setting the more memory the client will use, but loading scenes will be considerably faster for models that have been loaded before.
Buffer what buffer? What components act as bottleneck on the shadow quality settings? Define "high-end equipment" with regards to the shadow quality settings please.
So I have cache size on Extreme, but the client's using 634mb of ram? I assume this will creep up over time as the cache builds. Sounds like putting it on the lowest setting would be the equivalent of the Trinity client behavior?
Anyone know how to see how much of your video ram is being tied up, on the fly? (presumably with an out-of-game tool)
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Litre
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Posted - 2007.12.06 02:10:00 -
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Well guess someone explained shadows correctly, that definitely should be set based on ur available on-videocard memory
Thread on Shadow Memory Usage
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Arana Tellen
Gallente
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.06 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Daphne Eveningstar
The pop-up descriptions are vague too:
Shadow quality: The premium version has the option of showing objects that cast a shadow onto themselves. This adds a layer of realism but does so at the cost of performance on less powerful platforms. Only user the larger buffer sizes on high-end equipment.
Cache size: This controls how much memory to use for resource caching. The higher this setting the more memory the client will use, but loading scenes will be considerably faster for models that have been loaded before.
Buffer what buffer? What components act as bottleneck on the shadow quality settings? Define "high-end equipment" with regards to the shadow quality settings please.
So I have cache size on Extreme, but the client's using 634mb of ram? I assume this will creep up over time as the cache builds. Sounds like putting it on the lowest setting would be the equivalent of the Trinity client behavior?
Anyone know how to see how much of your video ram is being tied up, on the fly? (presumably with an out-of-game tool)
Try running the shadows and see if the frame rate is playable? 
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Litre
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Posted - 2007.12.06 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Litre on 06/12/2007 02:24:57
Well there are two types of RAM, on motherboard RAM, ur main RAM you think about, usually 1-4 gigs (though 32-bit CPUs can't see over 3 something) and the video card RAM.
Shadows on extreme uses up to "64mb per shadow map per object e.g. ship" and this is on the video card, which is brutal for any video card on the market (Highest I've seen are 660mb), hence usual sharp fps drops.
Normal = 4 mb per map
High = 16 mb
Extreme = 64 mb
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As for resource caching I'm still a bit unclear, that's definitely 512 mb on extreme, memory that's set aside for textures/object models. The question is where? Distributed between vid card memory and RAM?
I'm not sure but maybe a video card uses its memory more like a cache to duplicate data in RAM, caching frequently referenced data, so you're setting your max RAM usage, and your video card just handles itself.
Also EVE should be able to get the video card's total memory itself, someone told me that the resource cache setting is strictly on video card and defines how much space to allocate to textures, leaving the rest for rendering/shadows/AA etc... Which means setting it to Extreme (512) even on a 660 mb vid card could potentially leave you with little over a 100mb to use for rendering etc, whoever is a tech whiz reply please.
Then it'd follow that if you're relatively static, you'd want a smaller cache to leave more vid card memory for rendering/shadows since you don't need to cache that many ships objects/textures anyways. But if you're in a fleet battle or moving around a lot and expect to load a lot of stuff frequently you'll want more cache so previously loaded objects can be quickly reloaded. (Credit HMS)
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 02:38:00 -
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The cache is system Ram as its listed in the Task manager, Ive had the client running for 2-3 hours and the EVE exe is now using 1.2gb of system RAM with "extreme caching" and "normal" shadows. I have no clue how to check exactly what the graphics RAM usage is.
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.12.06 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Simplus Massive
prefs.ini:
Cache Size Off: resourceCacheSize=0
Cache Size Low: resourceCacheSize=32
Cache Size Normal: resourceCacheSize=128
Cache Size High: resourceCacheSize=256
Cache Size Extreme: resourceCacheSize=512
Shadow Quality Off: shadowBufferSize=0
Shadow Quality Normal: shadowBufferSize=1024
Shadow Quality High: shadowBufferSize=2048
Shadow Quality Extreme: shadowBufferSize=4096
I would of your able to adjust and tweak those settings, would it further improve fps, as I know I could give more the 512 to Extreme settings..
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Litre
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Posted - 2007.12.06 02:54:00 -
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In case someone trolls here with a graphics background, another question that sprung up is, what exactly is the difference between no bloom, low and high bloom, since I was told HDR = bloom... so it's either on or off.
From what I was able to research, HDR is the range of lightings possible perhaps HDR in EVE's sense is just a full-screen lighting improvement, detailing bright/darker areas better. Adding bloom on top of this produces the "airy-disc" effect making focused objects brighter, by basically changing it from a full-screen lighting effect to an iris type effect?
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