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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.03.10 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: ProphetGuru on 10/03/2004 06:11:32
I've fought for, and against, quite a few alliances.
CA-pre castor. Other then atuk, they pretty much had nothing impressive going for em, other then the brief time m0o was up there.
Post castor, OC gave them a big boost (even though I do not like saying anything remotely good about em ) However, they became a bit bloated at this time as well, focusing on blobs and numbers to do what tactics and experience couldn't. Not sure if they let in a bunch of mining corps as has been rumored or what, but the quality of the alliance as a whole seemed to drop, and unless you ran into a bunch of atuk or oc, you didn't have much to worry about.
Still, to be fair, they are without a doubt the strongest alliance currently ingame.
PA- hrm. A few decent fighters, but all in all, seems to lack any sort of coordination in combat. Over reliance on ecm, tend to lose it when ecm not working for em. Over reliance on caldari ships. Makes preparing for combat easy when you know 75% of the fleet will be scorp/raven.
F-E Not a lot of experience with em. In limited encounters it seems they to have a rather large overreliance on caldari ships, and are very much into the whole... lets get 40 pilots together and sit here and smacktalk. Their only real tactic so far seems to be... let's put ecm'ers at 180k cyclejamming. It is a valid tactic tho. Probably a result of fighting NVA/PA so long I would imagine. That being said, they seem to be able to muster a considerable force of ships relatively quickly. Jury still out on em in my book, due to lack of sufficient experience with em.
FA- fought with. However, was a long time ago, and I hear they have come a long way. Don't feel my past experiences would apply to them in their current form.
SA Fought with them b4. Some decent fighters. Decent command and control, but could use improvement imho. Seems, imho that certain corps carry the biggest load of pvp fighting. Need someone to rally around. That being said, they have a lot of older experienced players, that have been fighting for a long time. Never underestimate SA, as they seem to pull a magic trick out of the hat at the most opportune(sic) times.
CFS know nothing about em.
All this being said, I don't think their is any alliance that can enforce their "claim" of a region, and corps like m0o and evol can pretty much do as they wish inside of them, due to simple logistical nightmares that alliances are.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.03.10 06:27:00 -
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There is little tactic for an alliance to gather up a big blob, that si just, well a blob.
IMO I think FA has used the best fleet battle tactic done by any allaince, that is not a statement but mearly my opionion from what I have seen in the last months, but it took them several weeks to develop it and they suffered heavy losses but succeded in the end, after we got bored.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.03.10 06:49:00 -
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Last time we had this discussion, the general consensus was that the FA was most powerful.
Within a week, they'd been obliterated by mOo.
Does anyone really WANT to claim that they're the best military force out there? 
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.03.10 07:04:00 -
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Last time we had this discussion, the general consensus was that the FA was most powerful.
Within a week, they'd been obliterated by mOo.
Does anyone really WANT to claim that they're the best military force out there?
Nah, they werent obliterated by us, but they suffered heavy casualties, we had our few weeks of fun and left, FA fought FE and when FE had their fun they left as well.
FA now has much better tactics and is building up again, they lost alot of ISK but gained priceless expiriance wich will allow them to fight with less losses, so in the end they gained alot imo, fun and expiriance.
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.03.10 08:55:00 -
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FA because they have me.
CA, because we Don't Have you :)
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Zelota
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Posted - 2004.03.10 09:29:00 -
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all your eve are belong to ca
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.03.10 09:48:00 -
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CA
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.03.10 10:08:00 -
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Last time we had this discussion, the general consensus was that the FA was most powerful.
Within a week, they'd been obliterated by mOo.
Does anyone really WANT to claim that they're the best military force out there?
Would make us next considering opinions on this thread, granted many are from CA pilots but what can u expect... I've said my own alliance, and the alliance that i fight against daily, its our opinions ur after and thats based on our experiences.
Nice post btw Prophet, and i'm not just saying that b/c u were nice to oc (it's becomming a habbit of recent fella, i'm sure we'll get back to smack talking one another once fireworks start tho).
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.03.10 10:28:00 -
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Morning.
Heres how it goes, EVEs trend lately has been if they have 10 ships, u get 30, which is totally crap. u very rarely get groups of 10v10 and so on.
As for the best alliance, i say none, Alliance that can get the most PPL in short space of time?, would prob have to be CA, but darn, do they do it overkill.
u can send in 10 BS and before u know it they muster EVER ship they can. fairish fights dont happen, which i think is a shame.
i know that they are just looking to protect their borders, but camping the same system for hours on end must be boring as hell, and im soooo glad CELES moved away from this.
i say large PVP corps rule EVE, they have the most kills and the less losses. and are prob the best fighters, but if u had to twist my arm, id say CA are best of a bad bunch.
d solo.
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2004.03.10 10:32:00 -
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F-E Not a lot of experience with em. In limited encounters it seems they to have a rather large overreliance on caldari ships, and are very much into the whole... lets get 40 pilots together and sit here and smacktalk. Their only real tactic so far seems to be... let's put ecm'ers at 180k cyclejamming. It is a valid tactic tho. Probably a result of fighting NVA/PA so long I would imagine. That being said, they seem to be able to muster a considerable force of ships relatively quickly. Jury still out on em in my book, due to lack of sufficient experience with em.
You arent really updated are you?
Forsaken Empire is a corp. This corp is a member of the Curse Alliance.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.03.10 10:41:00 -
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its true, attacking is far easier than defending at the momment. Especially because you choose (for the most part) when and where to fight.
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p0ma
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Posted - 2004.03.10 11:27:00 -
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Gold goes to CA. I think CA are phenominally effective considering their 'issues' of organization. As many know, CA has always relied on our Russian comrades as a significant part of our military. I shouldn't have to tell you how hard it can be dealing with such a large language barrier. Only a third of the Russians speak English as far as I can tell. But we don't tease them...oh no....them Russians are quite the opponent :)(/me fluffles Zloba & Friends)
Silver goes to CFS. CFS, in their glory days. Pacifists really, but maaaaaaan were they organized. They'll always be remembered by me as the most fanatically organized alliance in EVE *and* proportionally the least effective military-wise.
Bronze goes to SA I suppose. They have above average organization and abover average effectiveness. Unfortunately neither being high enough above average to earn them a Silver cookie.
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TIvian
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Posted - 2004.03.10 11:27:00 -
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Hmmm, seeing alot of "CA have numbers and a few good PvPers" comments. I really dont give a ratz azz what other people think. I have watched alliances come and go. and I have seen them change and re-org. but you know what? we have not changed. and like the saying goes some days you eat the bear and some days he eats you. but I know that we have "eaten the Bear" more then he has eaten us.
I am not going to say that we are the strongest or the best.
I am going to say that we have more skilled fighters then any other alliance in this game.
I will how ever give a thumbs up and a shout out to Fountain Alliance for withstanding the onslaught that m0o put them through and still standing as tall as they are.
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IIIIIIIII
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Posted - 2004.03.10 11:31:00 -
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the CA isn't good.
it's big.
there's a difference. |
TIvian
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Posted - 2004.03.10 11:31:00 -
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the CA isn't good.
it's big.
there's a difference.
Whatever hooker. your just jealous
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.03.10 12:07:00 -
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the CA isn't good.
it's big.
there's a difference.
Evolution isnt special
its pompous
M0o is better
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.03.10 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 10/03/2004 12:15:33
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the CA isn't good.
it's big.
there's a difference.
Pre-castor you could have gotten away with that, but to frank, you guys were sent packing - i don't expect u to admit that, you guys have trouble admitting weakness, trying really hard not to insult you here but ya know, sometimes you don't do yourselves any favours.
It's not a brilliant thing to be up your own ass, its even worse when you have nothing to be up your ass about. heh.
Anyways - come down to curse and see how good we aint.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:02:00 -
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the CA isn't good.
it's big.
there's a difference.
Your clueless.
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Kurenin
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:48:00 -
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No one is using my post template 
Oh well, the CA people sorta used something similar it seems.
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Maasu
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:03:00 -
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No one is using my post template
Oh well, the CA people sorta used something similar it seems.
As i said earleir, people can only express opinion based on experience (regarding something like this) and most of the CA only see themselves and SA in combat, so there you go. Kinda pointless thread admitedlly.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:04:00 -
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No one is using my post template
Oh well, the CA people sorta used something similar it seems.
As i said earleir, people can only express opinion based on experience (regarding something like this) and most of the CA only see themselves and SA in combat, so there you go. Kinda pointless thread admitedlly.
Soz posted that with wrong character not attempting to confuse anyone :(
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Saladin
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Saladin on 10/03/2004 14:14:24
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hate to say it, but yes- of the regional alliances i think CA is the strongest, thats because of large numbers and enourmos resources,
SA got good skills imho, but cant match the wealth of the curse alliance, same whit us i guess :
I find it funny that CA is being called strong for its resources and SA for its skills. Its SA who always has to get a numbers advantage before they think about engaging, they are the ones with X amount of warp core stabilizer, and moreover CA held its own from the start when they had nothing in terms of resources and SA was rolling in bistot. SA pilots always refer to it as a teetering war and as a war among equals, but the fact of the matter is that they spend most of their time hiding or flying frigates trying to gank soft targets. To actually form a decent force and come to a fight is a rare thing (thanks for the action last Sunday guys!). The biggest problem we have in getting people out to fight is boredom - they know as soon as we show up SA will run or scatter most of the time.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 10/03/2004 14:31:55
The Forum Warrior Alliance is the strongest one. They also are gods of PvP, all of them.
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EvilDoomer
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:42:00 -
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Well, hmmm this is a little embrassing 
But, If I was to check my logs,
ahhhh
Darn, CA is the victor!!! 
{but its not CA kills, its them guys from Black Omega }
I would vote for CA. {I respect them! But I still hate them}
Thanks
EvilDoomer
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Moah
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:48:00 -
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I find it funny that CA is being called strong for its resources and SA for its skills. Its SA who always has to get a numbers advantage before they think about engaging, they are the ones with X amount of warp core stabilizer, and moreover CA held its own from the start when they had nothing in terms of resources and SA was rolling in bistot. SA pilots always refer to it as a teetering war and as a war among equals, but the fact of the matter is that they spend most of their time hiding or flying frigates trying to gank soft targets. To actually form a decent force and come to a fight is a rare thing (thanks for the action last Sunday guys!). The biggest problem we have in getting people out to fight is boredom - they know as soon as we show up SA will run or scatter most of the time.
yeah we are all nobies with warpcore stabs and savepoints, I know you fight 3:1...  omg when will you stop that we-pwned-stain-every-day-they-just-hide-and-dont-fight bull****?
ca has a lot more pilots then stain or other alliances, and thats the reason why they are as strong as they are. but the average skill level in stain is higher than in curse...
WAYNE
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:53:00 -
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Erm... Moah... Yea... Forget it.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:55:00 -
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but the average skill level in stain is higher than in curse
Maybe your mining skills. We all know how Scragg loves his scrodite.
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Alexandra Belana
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Posted - 2004.03.10 16:16:00 -
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Concordia res parvae crescent.
The problem with this theory is that all alliances contain a measure of mentally deficient individuals that understand nothing of following orders, loyalty, or Casus belli (war). Weed out those individuals, and you will have a strong alliance. Until then, they are all weakened from the core.
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Moah
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Posted - 2004.03.10 16:24:00 -
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Erm... Moah... Yea... Forget it.
Yeah, unfortunately my english is not good enuff and theres no point in it.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.03.10 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 10/03/2004 16:35:44
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Erm... Moah... Yea... Forget it.
Yeah, unfortunately my english is not good enuff and theres no point in it.
Nope - more like why waste my time with someone who is never going to admit their wrong. Saying the SA have a better level of PvP experience than CA is... wild to say the least.
Don't get me wrong, you have some fantastic fighters, but many of you have a long way to come. I like to think i don't lie on here, i don't have a problem admiting when someone is better than us, or me. However i do dislike it when such a statement is issued that is clearly well sorry for the flame mate, but clueless.
Serious question mate please answer honestly - although i doubt u will - how many engagements have you been in between Stain and Curse... proper ones i mean, not er... 1 Curse battleship or frigate being chased by 10 Stain ships in DSS.
I know i've just wasted my time but i need a rest on my assignment and the rest of these forums are boring. So there ya go, only thing i'll probably ever give you, 5 minutes of my time, i should really charge you, but i am in a generous mood. :/
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