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Shade Millith
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Posted - 2007.12.06 04:00:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Millith on 06/12/2007 04:15:57 Just wondering why you've reduced the torpedo flight time from 30 seconds to 6.
Seems a little over the top.
Edit: Probably should also mention that the speed of basic torpedoes is 1,500 m/s. Giving them around 9km's range.
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Pinhedd
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Posted - 2007.12.06 04:28:00 -
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Yea, dragging them down THAT far is a bit absurd.
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Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 04:29:00 -
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No kidding! Who could have seen a change like this coming! Way to spring one on us, CCP!
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Ari Chu
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.06 04:32:00 -
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Ok, here is a concern regarding the Torps that hadn't struck me until today.
POS Launchers - now have a 100km range with Torps? Makes them virtually unuseable because an opposing BS fleet or dread fleet coule easily sit 75km on the other side of the POS and would never be in range for the Torp launchers.
CCP - please modify the Torp launchers to compensate so that they are atleast useable for POS defenses.
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Snipezu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Snipezu on 06/12/2007 05:23:48 How the hell can you justify this nerf ?
NO we don't want to use lasers NO we don't want to use projectile turrets NO we don't want to use hybrid turrets
WE'RE MISSILES BOATS!
You just wrecked our long range game.
@%^$ YOU!
...and don't tell me to fit all cruise cos they don't do enough damage!
(*&$ YOU AGAIN!
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Arushia
Nova Labs Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.12.06 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Snipezu Edited by: Snipezu on 06/12/2007 05:23:48 How the hell can you justify this nerf ?
NO we don't want to use lasers NO we don't want to use projectile turrets NO we don't want to use hybrid turrets
WE'RE MISSILES BOATS!
You just wrecked our long range game.
I thought the long range BS-sized missiles were called 'cruise missiles.'
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Kehmor
Caldari PAK
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Posted - 2007.12.06 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Snipezu Edited by: Snipezu on 06/12/2007 05:23:48 How the hell can you justify this nerf ?
NO we don't want to use lasers NO we don't want to use projectile turrets NO we don't want to use hybrid turrets
WE'RE MISSILES BOATS!
You just wrecked our long range game.
@%^$ YOU!
...and don't tell me to fit all cruise cos they don't do enough damage!
(*&$ YOU AGAIN!
ye i agree! cruise missiels should be unbalanced and deal more damage than turrets with similar ranges! nevermind the fact I can already choose my damage type, don't need to worry about range and always hit! Nor the fact that my weaopons are capless! It's unjust I say!
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Snipezu Edited by: Snipezu on 06/12/2007 05:23:48 How the hell can you justify this nerf ?
NO we don't want to use lasers NO we don't want to use projectile turrets NO we don't want to use hybrid turrets
WE'RE MISSILES BOATS!
You just wrecked our long range game.
@%^$ YOU!
...and don't tell me to fit all cruise cos they don't do enough damage!
(*&$ YOU AGAIN!
ye i agree! cruise missiels should be unbalanced and deal more damage than turrets with similar ranges! nevermind the fact I can already choose my damage type, don't need to worry about range and always hit! Nor the fact that my weaopons are capless! It's unjust I say!
/me waits for it...
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Luna Nilaya
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:08:00 -
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Edited by: Luna Nilaya on 06/12/2007 06:09:21 Edited by: Luna Nilaya on 06/12/2007 06:08:44
Originally by: Snipezu Edited by: Snipezu on 06/12/2007 05:23:48 How the hell can you justify this nerf ?
NO we don't want to use lasers NO we don't want to use projectile turrets NO we don't want to use hybrid turrets
WE'RE MISSILES BOATS!
You just wrecked our long range game.
@%^$ YOU!
...and don't tell me to fit all cruise cos they don't do enough damage!
(*&$ YOU AGAIN!
Ok Mr.missiles boat. My "long range game" is safe with Rokh. If I want to shoot rats I just fit my Raven with Cruise Launchers and if I want to deal a lot of damage close range I fit Siege Launchers. STFU.
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Kouki Satori
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:10:00 -
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ye i agree! cruise missiels should be unbalanced and deal more damage than turrets with similar ranges! nevermind the fact I can already choose my damage type, don't need to worry about range and always hit! Nor the fact that my weaopons are capless! It's unjust I say!
And nevermind I'm screwed when fitting other modules because my ballistic weapons suck up to 50% more cpu/grid!
To OP, they just wrecked our other long-range option. You should already have reprocessed your Raven in order to buy a Rokh and some T2 425's. And an entire skillbook set.
To change the later, you need about $45 real dollars for training time, and another $15+ if you convert a timecode to ISK and buy the skills.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:21:00 -
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Hello and welcome to 2 months ago.
Other than that, a cut down to 20km baserange from maxskills (30km Raven) might have been a bit too much for the old DPS, but the new DPS completely justifies it.
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OldPueblo
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:26:00 -
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Enjoy your higher dps INGRATE.
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Kouki Satori
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:08:00 -
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Sorry for not sifting through the crap posts or using the sorry excuse for a search engine.
But this is rediculous. When they wanted to give cruisers a close range missile option, the ADDED heavy assault missiles. Which still suck and are never used. In this case they got lazy and changed a PvE weapon to a sorta-PvP weapon.
Not everyone has time to devote to terribly long lvl4 missions, life, work, school, etc. Even if I didn't work or went to school, researching each new developement would be a chore.
BTW why should I be happy about the DPS increase? Did I ask for it? Torps already eclipsed cruise missiles in DPS when used on BS's & larger.
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OldPueblo
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kouki Satori Sorry for not sifting through the crap posts or using the sorry excuse for a search engine.
But this is rediculous. When they wanted to give cruisers a close range missile option, the ADDED heavy assault missiles. Which still suck and are never used. In this case they got lazy and changed a PvE weapon to a sorta-PvP weapon.
Not everyone has time to devote to terribly long lvl4 missions, life, work, school, etc. Even if I didn't work or went to school, researching each new developement would be a chore.
BTW why should I be happy about the DPS increase? Did I ask for it? Torps already eclipsed cruise missiles in DPS when used on BS's & larger.
On second thought, you're right. Also CCP please make my gallente blasters shoot out to 90km, thx.
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Major Stallion
Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Pinhedd Yea, dragging them down THAT far is a bit absurd.
do you guys know what the difference in ranger between blasters and railguns is?...about 80%
Torps are your new caldari short range, high damage weapon. Welcome to PvP all you caldari pilots. As for the mission runners...USE CRUISE FFS!
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Kaya Divine
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:00:00 -
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If you did not realize till now, in EVEry game, weapons, builds, gear, which is USED by significant player population WILL be nerfed. And weapons which isn't first, or second choice will be buffed...until game become more balanced.
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SexxxSlave
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kaya Divine If you did not realize till now, in EVEry game, weapons, builds, gear, which is USED by significant player population WILL be nerfed. And weapons which isn't first, or second choice will be buffed...until game become more balanced.
the problem with this torp change is that theres a whining majority that they got nerfed, when in fact all this is is a BUFF. It actually allows missiles to be a feared platform in PvP. Watch for the torp raven on the top of more and more kill mails =)
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: SexxxSlave
Originally by: Kaya Divine If you did not realize till now, in EVEry game, weapons, builds, gear, which is USED by significant player population WILL be nerfed. And weapons which isn't first, or second choice will be buffed...until game become more balanced.
the problem with this torp change is that theres a whining majority that they got nerfed, when in fact all this is is a BUFF. It actually allows missiles to be a feared platform in PvP. Watch for the torp raven on the top of more and more kill mails =)
are you kidding my typhoon does much more dps now. it can use autocannons and torps.
even though I'm not sure why it's so short. even 1 extra seacond would be better.
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Snublefot
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:18:00 -
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Quote: STFU.
Ah no, its called "Canceled account". Thats what I'm doing right now. Been trough a couple of there missible "buffs" before, dont want to go there again. 33% increased damage? Doesnt matter. This change will equal more lost ships. Lost ships equals lost modules. Lost T2 modules is a pain. The change will give more downtime, more time spent on the same amount of content, more time spent replacing lost ships and modules. In the end less fun.
So where did they hide the cancel account button?
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Luna Nilaya
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:22:00 -
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Can I have your stuff? -
Installing premium content... Deleting file: \boot.ini |
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Snublefot
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:29:00 -
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Constructive, very construtive. So 14-year old. Or maybe just - old.
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Rivqua
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:39:00 -
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How in hell can you loose a ship in Missions? Sure, if you afk or whatever, fine, but ... umm... I have less then 3m SP, and I solo L4's with my drake with assault missiles, which are about same range as Torps, about 15km ... I dont get it ..... How does one loose a battleship ?
/Riv
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Shade Millith
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:26:00 -
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Ok, I understand now, not really happy about it, but I'll get over it.
Secondly though, can you fix the rats that use torps? They still hit with torps from 50+ km's.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jaketh Ivanes on 06/12/2007 10:28:41
Originally by: Shade Millith Ok, I understand now, not really happy about it, but I'll get over it.
Secondly though, can you fix the rats that use torps? They still hit with torps from 50+ km's.
Rats are rats.. they cheat, but still lose .
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:32:00 -
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Any mission runners quiting over this please be so kind to contract me your stuff, thank you.
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Wizardd Qvasar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:14:00 -
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First of all - who is using torps in mission running?
Secondly, torpedoes really are owning all their comparative weapons from other races. The Large Pulse Lasers, Large Blasters and Large Autocannons - none of these can maintain the range with same DPS as we Caldari can up to nearly 30 km. Before we Caldari pilots had actually two "long range class" weapons. Now we have Cruise missiles for long range and torpedoes for short range, like all other races are having their long/short ranges too (auto & artillery, blaster & rail, pulse & beam and now torp & cruise).
Arbalest siege missile launcher's default RoF went from 19.20 to 14.40 seconds. With few Ballistic Controll IIs and nearly T2 skills it goes to 7-8 seconds. And DPS is great.
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BCBArclight
Odessa Operations Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Snipezu Edited by: Snipezu on 06/12/2007 05:23:48 How the hell can you justify this nerf ?
NO we don't want to use lasers NO we don't want to use projectile turrets NO we don't want to use hybrid turrets
WE'RE MISSILES BOATS!
You just wrecked our long range game.
@%^$ YOU!
...and don't tell me to fit all cruise cos they don't do enough damage!
(*&$ YOU AGAIN!
lol
Welcome to the world of long range weapons, none of them do "enough" damage, thats the point. Torps are now the pulse/blaster version of missiles. Odessa Ops, Anti-Pirate 0.0 PvP corp - Newbs and Corp Mergers Welcome
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Sleepkevert
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith Edited by: Shade Millith on 06/12/2007 04:40:16 Edited by: Shade Millith on 06/12/2007 04:30:34 Edited by: Shade Millith on 06/12/2007 04:15:57 Just wondering why you've reduced the torpedo flight time from 30 seconds to 6.
Seems a little over the top.
Edit: Probably should also mention that the speed of basic torpedoes is 1,500 m/s. Giving them around 9km's range. A 80% nerf.
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Rionus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:36:00 -
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Have you checked your DPS? They are much higher now, higher than some blaster setups so quite whining like a baby.
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Snipezu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:16:00 -
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The issue isn't about DPS, it's about RANGE and style of gameplay. Pay attention to the small print before you yap about DPS alone.
"The base torp range is now a ridiculously SHORT 9KM", this is what's stupid for people who enjoyed playing a stand-off game with ALL LAUNCHERS, a Raven fitted with all cruises doesn't cut it anymore now this range is nerfed, it has destroyed the 'long distance' sniping aspect of gameplay.
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