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Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.06 09:38:00 - [1] You've missed the point of EVE entirely. The game is working as intended there is nothing to fix. If you don't beleive read the FAQ and user guides. They're not circumventing game mechanics. They're allowed to do it and its intentional. Just becuase you don't how to play the game doesn't mean it has to be changed. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.06 12:19:00 - [2] Edited by: Valan on 06/12/2007 12:21:56 Originally by: Buggalugs I expected hi sec to be 100% safe and it wasn't because I have not been suicide ganked in 4 years and I never knew I could be. I have been killed just about every other way too yay but I didn't post about them because I knew I was at risk. I have far more kills from my early days and they were a damned lot of fun but I've never griefed or pirated as that doesn't interest me (but I know it makes Eve such a rich tapestry). As your links have shown CCP admits and embraces hi sec "insecurity", thankyou for the clarification. In which case you haven't been here for four years and have bought characters. You know full well there has been nerf after nerf to high sec ganking and its all the 'afk can't be bothered to fit a ship properly' crew that gets ganked. You know full well that EVE and CCP endorses this kind of game play. You definitely know that it says in the game guides that you can be attacked anywhere. EDIT: IF you did buy characters and didn't spend 4 yrs in EVE asleep then you've probably bought the isk for those BPOs as well. Which gives me a warm fuzzy feeling becasue in EVE cheaters don't always prosper. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.06 12:25:00 - [3] Edited by: Valan on 06/12/2007 12:25:54 Originally by: Gillian Delilah For my money the problem isn't with high-sec attacks, it lies with CONCORD having the brainpower of a comatose bumblebee. If CONCORD are so bothered about people getting attacked that they'll jump on top of the perp. with a whole fleet of unkillable superships, the least they could do is sa***uard the wreck of the attacked ship to prevent its cargo being stolen (and not necessarily even by the ganker or the ganker's friends - if I flew past a gank-in-progress I know I'd be tempted to try to loot!). CONCORD don't display much common sense, which, well, the devs want people able to carry out attacks in high sec., that's cool and I agree, but there are probably ways it could be done that'd make more sense. They're not meant to protect you its risk vs reward. Basically if you were 100% safe in empire then why should you be allowed to make isk? There would be no risk. There is a small amount of risk in empire as it stands. You're not at your keyboard and are flying a paper thin ship with billions of assets you die. You fly around with billions of assets in a fitted ship and watch the screen and actually fly the ship you don't die. The ganker loses a ship and takes the risk that the items are vaporised. They get kill rights against them and take sec hits which are difficult to reverse. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.06 13:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Gillian Delilah Quote: They're not meant to protect you its risk vs reward. Basically if you were 100% safe in empire then why should you be allowed to make isk? There would be no risk. I take your point, what I'm saying is that it doesn't make much sense for a police force not to be there to protect people. As they stand they're more of a "CRIME makes us ANGRY" approach, but they couldn't give a stuff about the victims of crime, which makes you wonder why they bother attacking the perps. I appreciate that it's the way it is so that people can be attacked, and I agree that someone moving high value items should have at least half their brain engaged when playing or suffer the consequences, it's just that CONCORD don't make much sense the way they behave at present - obviously they don't work as a deterrent, 'cause people still suicide gank, so why do they bother at all? An alternative that might work would be to introduce (NPC) 'rat gank squads into hi-sec. If it was made obvious to even the most high-sec of high-sec players that they had to be on their guard to stop even NPCs ganking them, they wouldn't have anything to complain about if PCs did it too. After all if PCs can turn a profit suicide-ganking, you'd think some of the NPC rat corporations would be all over it. I think CCP's response to that in the past, is that Police only punish crime rather than prevent it in real life. Which to some extent is true, it definitely says it in the game guides. Maybe raising awareness is the answer but not sure what the best way of doing it is. But then why should there be constant reminders? Maybe there should be a lengthy section in the tutorial fully explaining high sec isn't safe. Although the guy reckons he's played for 4 yrs so he knows the score. Its a game he lost to another player. Should the game prevent people from losing? Some people are just bad at EVE. For the Lions to eat there has to be Zebras. It was his mistake he paid for it. You only die in EVE if you make a mistake. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.06 17:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: gregory j Reduce the security status of all systems by value of 6.0. This will instantly stop "high sec ganking" forever. I endorse this proposal and look forward to officer spawns in the -6.7 sec system I normally rat in. You may not look forward to them, were you here after Castor? Those were spawns!!!! /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig

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