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Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:08:00 - [61] Originally by: Slipofthetongue For anyone that wants to know this guy was using a shuttle and got ganked while afk'ing with this in his hold: Moa Blueprint (Cargo) Scorpion Blueprint (Cargo) Raven Blueprint (Cargo) Griffin Blueprint (Cargo) All BPOs Coool! Where is this dweeb hanging out? I'd like to me some of that. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Plib	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:09:00 - [62] Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: Buggalugs I wonder how many of the flames are from indy-centered players? Very few of you are listening. Eve is what it is, does that mean that I have to just accept that or can I actually say what I want MY game experience to be, how I want it to change? If you are a griefer, hell I'm not suggesting CCP stop you, just force you to do it in low-sec. Why shouldn't there be safe space? Just coz you may play that way does it mean everyone has to? Do you realise how big eve is? Do you realise how it appeals to different people for different reasons and that they want to play it differently. If you don't want it then just say that, don't try to convince me that the way I have fun is any less important to me than yours is to you. Something for everyone, and each to his own I say. why don't you quit eve over it Can I have his stuff?
Sendraks TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:09:00 - [63] Never been hi-sec ganked. Never seen someone being hi-sec ganked. Conclusion - hi sec ganking not particularly widespread and is not the huge problem people think it is. If people avoid the areas where hi-sec ganking commonly occurs, they are less likely to be attacked. If you must fly in those areas, don't put expensive stuff in the cargohold of a cheap ship. Don't make yourself a target.
Kharadran Sullath Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:10:00 - [64] Jeeebus... Give it a break! I lost almost everything when I was suicide ganked and you don't see me making pointless whineposts on the forums. ------ Originally by: Graveyard Tan I call bull** and troll. If you are deaf**, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:10:00 - [65] Haatomo, used the locater agent. Though docked up probably crying in the station public restroom. ________ "It's a good day to die!"
Buggalugs	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:11:00 - [66] I'm not interested in a flame war but I thank those of you who responded constructively. I expected hi sec to be 100% safe and it wasn't because I have not been suicide ganked in 4 years and I never knew I could be. I have been killed just about every other way too yay but I didn't post about them because I knew I was at risk. I have far more kills from my early days and they were a damned lot of fun but I've never griefed or pirated as that doesn't interest me (but I know it makes Eve such a rich tapestry). As your links have shown CCP admits and embraces hi sec "insecurity", thankyou for the clarification. I want that to change. Not without balance if that is required but is having hi sec completely safe (again other than war decs) really much different to what we have now? Griefers move to low sec but what else would change? Is this really so painful a concept? I think I have my answer though, yes I love you all too. I'll be back to full strength in a couple of months and I will be flying smarter. The tribe has spoken.
Yuki Santara Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:12:00 - [67] I think I would prefer slightly different mechanics: The ability to actually outrun CONCORD (at least in < 1.0) but far higher standing hits for a hi-sec kill. This would make hi-sec pirating more profitable when done well, but also keep it rare because standing is not quite as easily earned as ISK. The current mechanics just don't seem very interesting to me. All it really does is force you to sit in front of your (navigation) computer to be perfectly safe, right? I'm speaking from the carebear perspective, since I have no interest in pirating. I would appreciate more tension in the player interaction outside the cut-throat free for all areas.
Kendar Zek Gallente Interstellar Aid Society	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:13:00 - [68] Originally by: Admiral Pelleon NPC corp members can't shoot eachother. A for effort though. Well, crap! I thought it was a great idea to show that you do have recourse in such a situation! Then again, I haven't been in an NPC corp for years, so I wouldn't have any idea about such things. In any event, there is a really awesome solution to this problem! Get a fast, small ship with a WCS or two, and don't aimlessly fly around while AFK! Warp to zero, people! WARP TO FREAKIN' ZERO! ...and don't carry your BPOs (or anything valuable) in a shuttle. -- Owner, Venture Racing Team
Elv1r4	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:14:00 - [69] stop sucking. :D
Slipofthetongue	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:14:00 - [70] Oh btw the OP is an Axiom alt if anyone wants to know who won't be having t2 ships as fast as the rest
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:14:00 - [71] Originally by: Buggalugs Ok, yes I'm **ed because I got ganked and lost just about eveything I own but I think most of us are tired of this crap. CCP get your head out of the sand and commit to doing something about it! CCP will never stop suicide ganking, because it's actually a good thing, and they like it. Think of it as a stupidity filter. (no, I'm not a suicide ganker, and yes, I lost a T1 hauler with 300M of datacores to them, but that's what I deserved for looking at p0rn sites while playing). Originally by:** Buggalugs I'm talking about when a griefer team sacrifices one member to CONCORD in order to gank and loot an unsuspecting hi sec player with no repercussions. Now I know a lot of you will say "Well you shouldn't fly afk in Empire" or "It's just Eve man, gank em back" or "Wtf you had all your eggs in one basket?" but the reality is that for a lot of players, especially noobs, there is no recourse. Of course there is. When I move semi-valuable stuff with my alt, I use a tanked Drake (you can get them to 80k effective HP or even more without much trouble). It require very little in skills or SP, and I don't get ganked. Or you can get an interceptor and stop playing afk. Or skill for blockade runners/deep space transports, they're not that much skill-intensive. Or ask someone in a freighter to help for a fee. or resell things that take a large volume and buy things back closer to your destination... Hell, even reading the forums once in a whle should have made you aware to the possibility of getting ganked. There's plenty of things to do to avoid getting ganked. Your fault for not doing them. ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:18:00 - [72] Originally by: Slipofthetongue Oh btw the OP is an Axiom alt if anyone wants to know who won't be having t2 ships as fast as the rest is it pilk? its pretty literate and sanctimonious in that sad sycophantic kind of axiom way --P ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:20:00 - [73] Edited by: Andrue on 06/12/2007 10:23:58 Originally by: Buggalugs I'm not interested in a flame war but I thank those of you who responded constructively. I expected hi sec to be 100% safe and it wasn't because I have not been suicide ganked in 4 years and I never knew I could be. Now you're just trolling - or displaying ignorance on an incredible level. I knew there was a risk of being ganked the day I started playing back in Feb '04. Plus if you've really been playing for that long you'd have been around for the Yulai incident and gate sentry changes. Necro FYI -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Miharu Murakuma	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:25:00 - [74] Whoever ganked him, thanks. I usually run missions but compared to this whiner I'm not even close to carebear. Yeah, hisec suicide ganking is LAME but it's possible, clearly within game mechanics. Also putting all your veldspar in one basket is unreasonable in RL as well as in EvE. Thus you bait gankers and lose everything in a single gank. Say hello to Night Elf Hunters while you're going back there.
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:52:00 - [75] The whole problem is not the suicide ganking... its the complete lack of any sort of repurcussion for it. The attackers, all of whom are alts on someone's main acct, recycled as soon as they reach -4.9, have no repurcussions at all whatsoever. They get their insurance payout, the main does not care how many times they get blown up (they get their insurance for that, too!), and make off with whatever does not get destroyed. Remove the 2 second character slots and make people pay for their minimally skilled suicide alt. Or put all alts into the same corp. Or give the victim kill rights on all characters on the accout (and identify them to the victim). There needs to be repurcussions for suicide ganking, it does NOT need to be removed from the game. Currently there are zero penalties for suiciding other than the occasional failure.
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:52:00 - [76] I'm going to Smartbomb Jita 4-4 tomorrow. Be afraid. ________ "It's a good day to die!"
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:55:00 - [77] Edited by: Xtreem on 06/12/2007 10:55:31 i wanna know how much u lost, i like numbers ! edit just saw, the 2 BS, BPO... yummmy!.. although if thats all you had managed in 4 years, thats not so uber!
Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2007.12.06 10:59:00 - [78] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Buggalugs I wonder how many of the flames are from indy-centered players? Very few of you are listening. Eve is what it is, does that mean that I have to just accept that or can I actually say what I want MY game experience to be, how I want it to change? If you are a griefer, hell I'm not suggesting CCP stop you, just force you to do it in low-sec. Why shouldn't there be safe space? Just coz you may play that way does it mean everyone has to? Do you realise how big eve is? Do you realise how it appeals to different people for different reasons and that they want to play it differently. If you don't want it then just say that, don't try to convince me that the way I have fun is any less important to me than yours is to you. Something for everyone, and each to his own I say. new sig :D You can decide what kind of game you want to play. CCP can decide what kind of game they provide. If those two desires match, then great. As CCP have made it crystal clear that the game that they envisage does not match your conception of what you want EvE to be, you need to either change your requirements or change your game. _
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:03:00 - [79] Originally by: Buggalugs I want that to change. Hell no, unless you want to devoid us from smart posts like yours Originally by: Buggalugs Not without balance if that is required but is having hi sec completely safe (again other than war decs) really much different to what we have now? You might want to quietly sit and think about this rethorical jewel of yours...
Hariya	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:11:00 - [80] Waawaa. Please leave.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:13:00 - [81] Meh, that stuff afk in a shuttle, you're kidding.... However blockade runners and freighters are not as safe as they should be. Someone should REALLY have to want to do it, not be able to just watch the cargo value cross an imaginary line and go for it. I've also seen 20 day old chars suicide ganking blockade runners in apocs... If you only have to train a throw away char for it... it's too easy.
Majestik Gallente Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:13:00 - [82] I don't get it. I have friends who run all over the place with high cost items through Jita to Duripant and beyond. With no problems. Average 4 weeks to 3 months in game. Getting targeted all the time with attempted gankings and love the excitement. They ask questions and read everything it seems. They love it when their heart is thumping and sweating in the excitement of the cat and mouse game with those high sec gate campers. I have paid them to get things for me in Jita. Now they guarantee delivery.. Told them to read the golden rules. They understand the game well. I tell everyone to read the golden rules before they think about playing this game.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:14:00 - [83] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 06/12/2007 11:17:01 Quote: I expected hi sec to be 100% safe and it wasn't because I have not been suicide ganked in 4 years and I never knew I could be. Are you trolling? This comes up on the forums every five minutes. What did you think all the T1 ships with cheap T1 mods running sensor boosters at gates with blockade runners or indies on standby nearby were for? Hadn't you noticed people locking onto you when you travelled anywhere in an industrial? Hadn't you also noticed the way camps of this sort transmogrified into an industrial wreck floating next to a battlecruiser or battleship wreck with a ** tonne of Concord ships around with alarming regularity? Just set a high-sec only route Jita-Rens to see this fascinating part of the EVE Eco System in action. Insert your own generic advice for moving BPOs here. Not saying too much here because I don't want to give away trade secrets like not being AFK. True fact: AFK stands for "Take My Stuff". EVE RELATED CONTENT**
Iodo Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:14:00 - [84] Originally by: Mister Xerox The whole problem is not the suicide ganking... its the complete lack of any sort of repurcussion for it. The attackers, all of whom are alts on someone's main acct, recycled as soon as they reach -4.9, have no repurcussions at all whatsoever. They get their insurance payout, the main does not care how many times they get blown up (they get their insurance for that, too!), and make off with whatever does not get destroyed. Hello Mister Xerox, I'm afraid you are completely mistaked in your post. Most successful suicide heists are performed with an aged, high SP character that is part of a player corporation/alliance. They do not get recycled and in fact, I am quite sure recycling characters for these kind of purposes is not allowed. There are reprocussions to performing a high sec heist: you lose your ship, you lose security status and the person you killed gets a killright for you. I agree with the insurance payout point, and would be perfectly fine for removing insurance on Concord kills as suggested before. I think the price for hauler/freighter kills in high sec should be higher. Oh, and by the way. I killed the shuttle in question.
Dathias CHON THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:14:00 - [85] Gank people with anonymous alts in empire is NOT PvP. Its simply lame. Link all chars on account and we will see which uber PvPer is hiding behind his gank alt.
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:19:00 - [86] Originally by: SoftRevolution Are you trolling? This comes up on the forums every five minutes. Forums are not for getting information, silly - they are just for whining on!
Sarkkon	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:21:00 - [87] Unfortunatly high sec ganking is necessary (as well as anoying) How else can you deal with rookie corp (3 year + membership) fleets strip ming every asteroid in you ssytem wthing 12 hours of their reseeding? Only an issue to industrail corps but... How do you deal with that rookie corp alt that thinks its funny to bump you away from anchored can over and over and over? You need to be able to vent on these idiots by the occasional high sec gank. That pod sitting afk at gate with the 180mil bounty (but now a nice +3.4 sec status) is another reason we need to be able to suicide gank. Its a shame groups of alts like s*****rdly (real corp) makea living gate camping industrials, but there are sturdier (much sturdier) t2 varients. poping the autopilot shuttle with a fortune in BPO's is also more the pilots fault. They are making it attractive to these pirates. they are going to toss t2 ships or several battleship to concord just to pop a shuttle (unless that pilot has offended them and they want revenge)without a huge profit margin. Fly safer. And remember you DO get kill rights if they gank you, so you can nail them next time they set up a gate camp.
Tradesman Mcgee Caldari Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:22:00 - [88] Most of my friends that suicide gank do it on their mains, or an alt that is in their player corp. Once the char gets too low on sec status, its back out to 0.0, rat for a while to fix it, then back into highsec if they still need more isk. There is an endless supply of lazy and/or dumb (or just misinformed) players willing to autopilot their shuttles full of freighter BPOs right into their camp. Working as intended. I will join my fellow posters in recommending the OP to try out a certain Blizzard product instead. -------------------------- Research & Trade
Kritch Astro Dogs Metastar Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:27:00 - [89] They are just doing what they game clearly designed to allow them to do which is why I'm very careful with my ships now and only fit the essential modules. For example I don't load up my mammoth to hold 22.5k M3 of ore when I'm just hauling 5k of refined ore. A new mammoth costs very little, add in the modules and I'm looking at anything up to 10 million and will probably be buying back my own modules of the person who killed. Don't risk what you aren't prepared to lose is what my corp told me and they were right. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Only thing more dull than mining Ice is hauling it
Dani Leone Gallente Freelancer Union The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:29:00 - [90] Originally by: Buggalugs I'm not interested in a flame war but I thank those of you who responded constructively. I expected hi sec to be 100% safe and it wasn't because I have not been suicide ganked in 4 years and I never knew I could be. I have been killed just about every other way too yay but I didn't post about them because I knew I was at risk. I have far more kills from my early days and they were a damned lot of fun but I've never griefed or pirated as that doesn't interest me (but I know it makes Eve such a rich tapestry). As your links have shown CCP admits and embraces hi sec "insecurity", thankyou for the clarification. I want that to change. Not without balance if that is required but is having hi sec completely safe (again other than war decs) really much different to what we have now? Griefers move to low sec but what else would change? Is this really so painful a concept? I think I have my answer though, yes I love you all too. I'll be back to full strength in a couple of months and I will be flying smarter. The tribe has spoken. Oh dear, well yes it is a painful concept and no not one I hope will be implemented any time at all. And yes it would be very different from what we have now as it would severely curtail the freedom of action that you, I and all the gankers presently enjoy. To quote from CCPs page on the subject: Quote: In the universe of EVE, no space is 100% safe. It is vital for every player to realize this as soon as possible after starting playing the game. ... Despite the lack of absolute safety, empire space is still relatively safe. The biggest threat to the average player in Empire space is the risk of ôkamikazeö attacks when carrying a cargo of noteworthy value. Just like on modern day earth, the risk of attack rises with the amount of money sticking out of your pockets. If attacking you becomes a lucrative enough option, the best of neighbourhoods may become unsafe for you to walk around in. ... This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space. ... Routinely transporting hundreds of millions worth of stuff in a hauler that costs a few hundred thousand isk can result in bright lights and loud noises. So please do take this to heart and next time don't haul afk in a cheap ship that cannot tank. Doing that only gives the gankers cheap kills. BTW I am astonished that a character as old as yours would have no idea about security status and safety in High Sec vs gankers. Can we assume you are the delighted new owner of said char?

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