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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:18:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Donna Maria What is that famous line I alway see..
What is that famous line I always see..
Oh Ya..
Post with your main
Originally by: Donna Maria Oh Ya..
1: Bring friends
I usually fly with good friends, or alts..
Originally by: Donna Maria 2: Use a scout
Have one, why is this important again?
Originally by: Donna Maria 3: Dont fly what you cant afford to lose.
Whatever.. all good here.
Originally by: Donna Maria Adapt, adjust, improvise.
Have done, still made about 700-800m ISK today in my Sabre. TEE HEE.
Originally by: Donna Maria Im very glad the Sabre got nerfed. About time those ships get forced to 'bring friends' like Caldari are often told to..
Too bad my Interdictor V applies to my Heretics and my Flycatcher. Now the ONLY interdictor that can possibly outrun heavy missiles and avoid being one-volleyed (but BARELY) is the Sabre.
You truely are clueless if you did not know this.
Originally by: Donna Maria Dont like your Sabre, train for something else. As far as aggro from dropping a dictor bubble, Good. Should be. Its an aggro move. So all those Sabre pilots that think its cute to cloak up, bubble gates and such, you have had your fun, but now is a new day.
That's strange, because I'm not one of those people. My dictor is fit for combat, not for running away, although, now it has to be fit for running away..
Originally by: Donna Maria Whine more because I use your tears to water my plants.
I'm surprised you have the mental capacity to keep plants alive. Are they plastic? ===== |
Granmethedon III
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:34:00 -
[92]
I'm with those people who think the nerf is wrong. They've nerfed the wrong thing basically. Sabre base speed isn't a problem; the problems are stacking speed mods and rigs.
I agree that a 'ceptor should be the fastest ship class in the game. Hands down, no problem with that, and on the whole I think that the 'ceptor boost was fine.
What I don't understand is why they boost 'ceptors to give them their role back fully (no way a pre-patch dictor could tackle as well as a post patch ceptor), yet nerf dictors further with completely the wrong nerf.
They should have addressed the issue of multiple polycarbs and stacked nanos/ods which would have affected ALL ships which were perhaps a little overpowered by being so damn fast (nano hacs, poly sabre etc).
As it stands, they've just made interdictors completely obsolete to mobile bubbles, and possibly the pre nerfed heavy dictors.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:09:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Awox Have done, still made about 700-800m ISK today in my Sabre. TEE HEE.
O'rly? What does this sentense prove? That you either lie or you got lucky. It says nothing about how many ships you kill with it or its performance after the patch. e e e p e e n -------------------------------------------- InLogOffskiWeTrust |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:10:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Awox
Oh Ya..
Post with your main
And we are supposed to belive youre a dictor pilot in advanced logistics and that this is your main? Ye... -------------------------------------------- InLogOffskiWeTrust |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:14:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Granmethedon III I'm with those people who think the nerf is wrong. They've nerfed the wrong thing basically. Sabre base speed isn't a problem; the problems are stacking speed mods and rigs.
I agree that a 'ceptor should be the fastest ship class in the game. Hands down, no problem with that, and on the whole I think that the 'ceptor boost was fine.
What I don't understand is why they boost 'ceptors to give them their role back fully (no way a pre-patch dictor could tackle as well as a post patch ceptor), yet nerf dictors further with completely the wrong nerf.
They should have addressed the issue of multiple polycarbs and stacked nanos/ods which would have affected ALL ships which were perhaps a little overpowered by being so damn fast (nano hacs, poly sabre etc).
As it stands, they've just made interdictors completely obsolete to mobile bubbles, and possibly the pre nerfed heavy dictors.
Yes a pre patch dictor can tackle and do lots more then post patch ceptor. It can bubble, it can catch pretty much anything that a ceptor normally catches. More hull, more damage, more slots. hmm op. Dictor nerf + inty boost = good combo pwn. -------------------------------------------- InLogOffskiWeTrust |
Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:32:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer O'rly? What does this sentense prove? That you either lie or you got lucky. It says nothing about how many ships you kill with it or its performance after the patch. e e e p e e n
It still proves that it can still kill stupid whiners and their pods. This nerf only nerfs it's ability in combat, but not it's griefing "solo" potential.
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer And we are supposed to belive youre a dictor pilot in advanced logistics and that this is your main? Ye...
This is my main character, but here is my dictor-capable alt: William Hart (also, if you think I falsified as many killmails.. check here)
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Yes a pre patch dictor can tackle and do lots more then post patch ceptor. It can bubble, it can catch pretty much anything that a ceptor normally catches. More hull, more damage, more slots. hmm op. Dictor nerf + inty boost = good combo pwn.
Less speed. (even before patch) Less lock time. More signature. ===== |
Granmethedon III
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:44:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Granmethedon III on 07/12/2007 12:46:35
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Granmethedon III I'm with those people who think the nerf is wrong. They've nerfed the wrong thing basically. Sabre base speed isn't a problem; the problems are stacking speed mods and rigs.
I agree that a 'ceptor should be the fastest ship class in the game. Hands down, no problem with that, and on the whole I think that the 'ceptor boost was fine.
What I don't understand is why they boost 'ceptors to give them their role back fully (no way a pre-patch dictor could tackle as well as a post patch ceptor), yet nerf dictors further with completely the wrong nerf.
They should have addressed the issue of multiple polycarbs and stacked nanos/ods which would have affected ALL ships which were perhaps a little overpowered by being so damn fast (nano hacs, poly sabre etc).
As it stands, they've just made interdictors completely obsolete to mobile bubbles, and possibly the pre nerfed heavy dictors.
Yes a pre patch dictor can tackle and do lots more then post patch ceptor. It can bubble, it can catch pretty much anything that a ceptor normally catches. More hull, more damage, more slots. hmm op. Dictor nerf + inty boost = good combo pwn.
More hp, but not significantly, particularly factoring in the sig radius and speed. Ergo, in effective combat, less hp. Its not difficult to understand. A dictor doing 3.5k/s, which is what they do now, is useful for only two things now - drop a bubble and cloak.
Incidentally, considering bubbles now cause aggro - do they appear on killmails as well?
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:03:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer All lies and twisted facts.
No an inty wont kill a sabre, you can dream on sabre-hugger. I think you have never faced a turreted destroyer in an inty before. Even a coercer rips inties apart.
Yes the sabre is way too friggin fast and NO you dont need snakes and NO you dont need faction fitting to get 6+km/s speeds in a sabre. A simple T2 fitted sabre with reasonable (not even all lvl5) nav skills is 6+km/s. Compare the damage output of it and speed with a taranis and tell me youre not talking bull**** about how sabres make inties obsolete?
So... what about the poor ol' flycatcher?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:43:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer All lies and twisted facts.
No an inty wont kill a sabre, you can dream on sabre-hugger. I think you have never faced a turreted destroyer in an inty before. Even a coercer rips inties apart.
Yes the sabre is way too friggin fast and NO you dont need snakes and NO you dont need faction fitting to get 6+km/s speeds in a sabre. A simple T2 fitted sabre with reasonable (not even all lvl5) nav skills is 6+km/s. Compare the damage output of it and speed with a taranis and tell me youre not talking bull**** about how sabres make inties obsolete?
So... what about the poor ol' flycatcher?
Don't you know.. flycatchers do not exist.. ===== |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:44:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer O'rly? What does this sentense prove? That you either lie or you got lucky. It says nothing about how many ships you kill with it or its performance after the patch. e e e p e e n
It still proves that it can still kill stupid whiners and their pods. This nerf only nerfs it's ability in combat, but not it's griefing "solo" potential.
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer And we are supposed to belive youre a dictor pilot in advanced logistics and that this is your main? Ye...
This is my main character, but here is my dictor-capable alt: William Hart (also, if you think I falsified as many killmails.. check here)
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Yes a pre patch dictor can tackle and do lots more then post patch ceptor. It can bubble, it can catch pretty much anything that a ceptor normally catches. More hull, more damage, more slots. hmm op. Dictor nerf + inty boost = good combo pwn.
Less speed. (even before patch) Less lock time. More signature.
Uhm where are your kills after patch again? Cant see em. -------------------------------------------- InLogOffskiWeTrust |
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:14:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer All lies and twisted facts.
No an inty wont kill a sabre, you can dream on sabre-hugger. I think you have never faced a turreted destroyer in an inty before. Even a coercer rips inties apart.
Yes the sabre is way too friggin fast and NO you dont need snakes and NO you dont need faction fitting to get 6+km/s speeds in a sabre. A simple T2 fitted sabre with reasonable (not even all lvl5) nav skills is 6+km/s. Compare the damage output of it and speed with a taranis and tell me youre not talking bull**** about how sabres make inties obsolete?
So... what about the poor ol' flycatcher?
Don't you know.. flycatchers do not exist..
*sigh*
3 in my hangar.
Because, you know... Caldari are overpowered. Right?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:45:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer All lies and twisted facts.
No an inty wont kill a sabre, you can dream on sabre-hugger. I think you have never faced a turreted destroyer in an inty before. Even a coercer rips inties apart.
Yes the sabre is way too friggin fast and NO you dont need snakes and NO you dont need faction fitting to get 6+km/s speeds in a sabre. A simple T2 fitted sabre with reasonable (not even all lvl5) nav skills is 6+km/s. Compare the damage output of it and speed with a taranis and tell me youre not talking bull**** about how sabres make inties obsolete?
So... what about the poor ol' flycatcher?
Don't you know.. flycatchers do not exist..
*sigh*
3 in my hangar.
Because, you know... Caldari are overpowered. Right?
You might want to take a look @ the eris, before whining about useless interdictors.... _________________________________________________ Breetime
A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
Aries Acheron
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:59:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Ione Hunt Ignore Lyria...she just wants CCP to nerf everything non-Amarr
Yeah because this hasnt nerfed the heretic at all has it? Sabre hugger got angry that poor solo pwn never die machine got nerfed finally? Tough luck. I know youre angry because thats when the personal attacks come out and it makes me very happy.
Are you kidding? Sabres have the life expectancy of a housefly. They're fun to fly and capable, but they NEVER were as fast as a Ceptor. A T2 fit Sabre is comparable to a T1 fit Interceptor basically. And that's the FASTEST Interdictor. The slower ones that badly needed a buff got the shaft. Heck, the Flycathcer moves something like 2.2k or whatever now, so I hear.
Dictors die all the damn time, unlike stuff like Vagabonds. Even the Sabre with it's much vaunted Medium Shield Extender tank can be tracked (and killed) by Cruiser guns quickly, something that most Interceptors never have to worry about. Seriously, the only things a Dictor could engage were Frigates (all types), non-combatants and really badly fit T1 cruisers. Stop confusing the Sabre's capabilities with those of a nano-cruiser (which outruns them handilly now) ~~~
Survive Eve! Eve Tribune
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:07:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Uhm where are your kills after patch again? Cant see em.
I stopped posting them when I realised killboard didn't display them very well. I am currently working on a new killboard. Anyways, the point was to prove that I am an Interdictor pilot.
Originally by: Aries Acheron
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Ione Hunt Ignore Lyria...she just wants CCP to nerf everything non-Amarr
Yeah because this hasnt nerfed the heretic at all has it? Sabre hugger got angry that poor solo pwn never die machine got nerfed finally? Tough luck. I know youre angry because thats when the personal attacks come out and it makes me very happy.
Are you kidding? Sabres have the life expectancy of a housefly. They're fun to fly and capable, but they NEVER were as fast as a Ceptor. A T2 fit Sabre is comparable to a T1 fit Interceptor basically. And that's the FASTEST Interdictor. The slower ones that badly needed a buff got the shaft. Heck, the Flycathcer moves something like 2.2k or whatever now, so I hear.
Dictors die all the damn time, unlike stuff like Vagabonds. Even the Sabre with it's much vaunted Medium Shield Extender tank can be tracked (and killed) by Cruiser guns quickly, something that most Interceptors never have to worry about. Seriously, the only things a Dictor could engage were Frigates (all types), non-combatants and really badly fit T1 cruisers. Stop confusing the Sabre's capabilities with those of a nano-cruiser (which outruns them handilly now)
I've given up on discussion in this thread. There's no point. The people who think this nerf was justified are covering their ears saying "LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU LA LA LA". It amazes and saddens me that Zulupark/CCP caved into these idiots.
Oh, FYI. I think a slight speed reduction to the Sabre was needed, but not to this extent. I also think dictor giving aggression to people trying to warp out is great. ===== |
Granmethedon III
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:52:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Awox
I've given up on discussion in this thread. There's no point. The people who think this nerf was justified are covering their ears saying "LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU LA LA LA". It amazes and saddens me that Zulupark/CCP caved into these idiots.
Oh, FYI. I think a slight speed reduction to the Sabre was needed, but not to this extent. I also think dictor giving aggression to people trying to warp out is great.
It's always that way. Like with the suicide gank whiners, and skill queue whiners. I also agree that a slight speed nerf to the Sbare (not any of the other dictors) was needed, that the aggro is great (and hopefully will appear on killmails too); and that stacking polys probably need a nerf too.
But what they've done is screwy, and doesn't really fix what was broken, just breaks something else instead.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:00:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Granmethedon III
Originally by: Awox
I've given up on discussion in this thread. There's no point. The people who think this nerf was justified are covering their ears saying "LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU LA LA LA". It amazes and saddens me that Zulupark/CCP caved into these idiots.
Oh, FYI. I think a slight speed reduction to the Sabre was needed, but not to this extent. I also think dictor giving aggression to people trying to warp out is great.
It's always that way. Like with the suicide gank whiners, and skill queue whiners. I also agree that a slight speed nerf to the Sbare (not any of the other dictors) was needed, that the aggro is great (and hopefully will appear on killmails too); and that stacking polys probably need a nerf too.
But what they've done is screwy, and doesn't really fix what was broken, just breaks something else instead.
Interdictors are there to bubble and possibly shoot at some frigs if they come by close. How exactly cant they do this anymore? They can. End of story. -------------------------------------------- InLogOffskiWeTrust |
Granmethedon III
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:31:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Granmethedon III
Originally by: Awox
I've given up on discussion in this thread. There's no point. The people who think this nerf was justified are covering their ears saying "LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU LA LA LA". It amazes and saddens me that Zulupark/CCP caved into these idiots.
Oh, FYI. I think a slight speed reduction to the Sabre was needed, but not to this extent. I also think dictor giving aggression to people trying to warp out is great.
It's always that way. Like with the suicide gank whiners, and skill queue whiners. I also agree that a slight speed nerf to the Sbare (not any of the other dictors) was needed, that the aggro is great (and hopefully will appear on killmails too); and that stacking polys probably need a nerf too.
But what they've done is screwy, and doesn't really fix what was broken, just breaks something else instead.
Interdictors are there to bubble and possibly shoot at some frigs if they come by close. How exactly cant they do this anymore? They can. End of story.
And an interceptor is a....?
Answers on a postcard to the usual address, thankyou.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:12:00 -
[108]
*Licks Awox*
And no, I don't have a flycatcher anymore so don't ask me
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Doosh Bagitis
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:44:00 -
[109]
the ship costs less than 20million isk, can tank a doomsday, and tackle a titan.
stop whining.
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Granmethedon III
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:51:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Doosh Bagitis the ship costs less than 20million isk, can tank a doomsday, and tackle a titan.
stop whining.
???
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 22:07:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Granmethedon III
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Granmethedon III
Originally by: Awox
I've given up on discussion in this thread. There's no point. The people who think this nerf was justified are covering their ears saying "LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU LA LA LA". It amazes and saddens me that Zulupark/CCP caved into these idiots.
Oh, FYI. I think a slight speed reduction to the Sabre was needed, but not to this extent. I also think dictor giving aggression to people trying to warp out is great.
It's always that way. Like with the suicide gank whiners, and skill queue whiners. I also agree that a slight speed nerf to the Sbare (not any of the other dictors) was needed, that the aggro is great (and hopefully will appear on killmails too); and that stacking polys probably need a nerf too.
But what they've done is screwy, and doesn't really fix what was broken, just breaks something else instead.
Interdictors are there to bubble and possibly shoot at some frigs if they come by close. How exactly cant they do this anymore? They can. End of story.
And an interceptor is a....?
Answers on a postcard to the usual address, thankyou.
And an interceptor is a.... still capable of doing the job it always could, some now do it better?
Whats your point?
Originally by: consider telos ..then we had a fight and he was so dead and then I like became champion of eve and then ccp gave me a medal and a t-shirt and asked me to go out with him on a date to mcD' |
Granmethedon III
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.08 00:28:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: Granmethedon III
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Granmethedon III
Originally by: Awox
I've given up on discussion in this thread. There's no point. The people who think this nerf was justified are covering their ears saying "LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU LA LA LA". It amazes and saddens me that Zulupark/CCP caved into these idiots.
Oh, FYI. I think a slight speed reduction to the Sabre was needed, but not to this extent. I also think dictor giving aggression to people trying to warp out is great.
It's always that way. Like with the suicide gank whiners, and skill queue whiners. I also agree that a slight speed nerf to the Sbare (not any of the other dictors) was needed, that the aggro is great (and hopefully will appear on killmails too); and that stacking polys probably need a nerf too.
But what they've done is screwy, and doesn't really fix what was broken, just breaks something else instead.
Interdictors are there to bubble and possibly shoot at some frigs if they come by close. How exactly cant they do this anymore? They can. End of story.
And an interceptor is a....?
Answers on a postcard to the usual address, thankyou.
And an interceptor is a.... still capable of doing the job it always could, some now do it better?
Whats your point?
My point is an interceptor is a frigate which an interdictor is incapable of killing; it does its job better, but the interdictor nerf prevente the interdictor killing a ship its designed to kill; especially if its a flycathcer, and i don't even fly one.
It's the wrong nerf for a problem that's caused by stacking polycarbs basically.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.08 01:37:00 -
[113]
The problem is in range and tracking nothing else. Interceptors should have more then a slight speed advantage over a destroyer. Destroyers should be slow, high tracking and good range to kill frigs if they come in range. If you want to actively chase down inties and kill them there is already a ship type out there that is there for the job. The combat inties. One for each race.
What you people want is a dictor that is almost interceptor fast and kills interceptors by catching up to them. Well duh...wishful thinking? -------------------------------------------- InLogOffskiWeTrust |
Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 02:36:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Granmethedon III
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: Granmethedon III
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Granmethedon III
Originally by: Awox
I've given up on discussion in this thread. There's no point. The people who think this nerf was justified are covering their ears saying "LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU LA LA LA". It amazes and saddens me that Zulupark/CCP caved into these idiots.
Oh, FYI. I think a slight speed reduction to the Sabre was needed, but not to this extent. I also think dictor giving aggression to people trying to warp out is great.
It's always that way. Like with the suicide gank whiners, and skill queue whiners. I also agree that a slight speed nerf to the Sbare (not any of the other dictors) was needed, that the aggro is great (and hopefully will appear on killmails too); and that stacking polys probably need a nerf too.
But what they've done is screwy, and doesn't really fix what was broken, just breaks something else instead.
Interdictors are there to bubble and possibly shoot at some frigs if they come by close. How exactly cant they do this anymore? They can. End of story.
And an interceptor is a....?
Answers on a postcard to the usual address, thankyou.
And an interceptor is a.... still capable of doing the job it always could, some now do it better?
Whats your point?
My point is an interceptor is a frigate which an interdictor is incapable of killing; it does its job better, but the interdictor nerf prevente the interdictor killing a ship its designed to kill; especially if its a flycathcer, and i don't even fly one.
It's the wrong nerf for a problem that's caused by stacking polycarbs basically.
DUDE! I agree totally. Ignore me. ^^
(nerf snakes too, actually)
Originally by: consider telos ..then we had a fight and he was so dead and then I like became champion of eve and then ccp gave me a medal and a t-shirt and asked me to go out with him on a date to mcD' |
Atsuko Ratu
Caldari Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:12:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Doosh Bagitis the ship costs less than 20million isk, can tank a doomsday, and tackle a titan.
stop whining.
I'll keep that in mind when I need to tackle a titan, and it be honest, tanking a doomsday isn't hard when it's explosion vs a shield tank.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Clearspace Operations Carpe Diem.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:25:00 -
[116]
Yeah for reading.....
This forum has gone to **** lately..............................................................................................................
Please lock worthless threads...
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.08 06:09:00 -
[117]
I dunno, it seems like the Sabre needed something to bring it in line with the other dictors. But this overall "fix" seems senseless tbh. Flycatcher definitely didn't need further speed nerfing, and the flycatcher didn't need the massive nerf it got. At least compensate the new cons with something (eg. provide some better resists like the big brother). Right now killing a Sabre isn't too hard. It needs some loving to make it more survivable. Accomplish this, and I'm OK with the changes to it. But leave the other dictors mostly as they were.
- Recruitment open again-
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ChimeraRouge
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.12.08 08:39:00 -
[118]
all the whining threads about how my ship should still be solopwnmobile should be locked immediately. waaa waaa waaaa stfu already jesus.
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