i really like the idea of tachy's but i have read alot saying they are just eft toys... look alot better then what they relly are. way more dps but the tracking speed is ****, does the tracking speed really kill the dps on cruisers? what about battleships?

i got a paladin with 800 dps without drones, i got "the Assult" with guristas.... i have them tanked fine, but i feel like im shooting them with a drake. im using mega beams. will the nightmare fix this problem? or am i screwed when it comes to garistas missions? it is WAY more then doable i was just thinking that a 1.8bill ship should tear through lvl 4's. at least as good as a raven lmao.


i have another idea i wanna try. i remember in my tengu i could go like 700m/s, the battleships couldn't hit me at all, cruisers could barly hit me. and i could kill all the frigs before they got close enough to web me. how fast do you have to go in a t3 to not get hit in a bs? seems like if i only used 2 slots for 1 hardner and 1 repper i should be fine. might be able to get the dps high enough to compare.

Pirate battleships are generally better than marauders if you don't bother with loot/salvage in the sense that they can squeeze out more dps and have an extra perk like speed with the Machariel, tracking with the Nightmare and afk'ness with the Rattlesnake (don't do it). Bhaalgorn and Vindicator can be used in PVE but there's not really a reason to due to them both having awesome PVP oriented perks. Nothing is stopping you if you're rich and crazy. I used to run L4s in a Rokh simply because I hate the way the Raven looked.

Out of the 3 pirate battleships suited for PVE, the Nightmare is by far the best in my opinion. The biggest problem most mission runners will have with it is that a standard fit isn't anywhere near cap stable. Not that it needs to be permatanked as you'll melt through missions in minutes. You'll hardly touch your shield booster on most missions. Until your Internet connection craps out one day and you get a juicy Nightmare lossmail by the time you log in again. You can make it cap stable though, but then you're looking at 3+ bil fit and you're entering gankable status.

Having said that the basic eve rule applies here; don't fly it if you can't afford to lose it. You don't need a faction battleship for L4s and in case of Amarr I wouldn't advise a T3 either as it's just sluggish. If you can afford a marauder/faction BS, go for it. You'll get those iskies much faster to spend on stuff that's more fun.

Rattlesnake can be played very well without being afk.

Here is a fit that does the job wonderfully:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/58826-Rattlesnake-Drone-L4-champ.html

To the OP forget about the guys arguing here (the guy that said that tachs were worthless is wrong and not fitting an AB is a crime)


A fly a gank fit nightmare and its unstoppable. you use it if you want to blitz through missions.


You use tachs on it and not pulses and this way everthing dies before it gets anywhere near you. Imagine multis out to 90K with falloff and you get the point. forget about the tracking as Nightmares have a 25% tracking bonus and its completely negated.

My cap is exactly 87 seconds with everything running and i have never run out. I do have a cap booster but i use it maybe once ever 50 missions and thats it.

frigates up to BC are one shotted. BS are two shotted sometimes three.


Paladins are good strong boats but nothing beats a nightmare.

They have the same dps in usual 3xHS its...