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Ariana Fiedala
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Posted - 2004.03.10 00:53:00 -
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Hey everyone,
Was really excited about T2 being introduced and our corp invested alot of resources in getting projects started. We've done pretty well for a corp of our size (40 or so members and about 8 research projects), but so far we have nothing to show for it. Are we doing something wrong??? I've posted all the info I can here of 3 of our projects (me, an alt and a friend.)
Lvl 3 Core Complexion Inc Agent Rocket Science III (Char IV); Qual 3, Eff Qual 19 6245 RP 58.31 RP/day Project started day after Castor
Lvl 3 Roden Shipyards Agent Gallente Starship Eng III (Char IV); Qual 0, Eff Qual 11 16,949 RP 163.17 RP/day Project started day after Castor
Lvl 2 Kaalakiota Corp Agent Caldari Starship Eng III (Char IV); Qual 17, Eff Qual 28 7346.34 RP 188.16 RP/day Project started about 3 weeks ago
I've completed about 75% of all halt missions I've gotten and do them after work so I'm good when downtime comes around in case that matters. I'm about to start several more with the new Research Project Management Skill. Can anyone help?
Do T2 BP offers only come right after DT? After completion of a halt mission? Are you only eligible if halt mission has been completed? Have BP only come from certain corporations? Is there anything else I can do to improve my chances?
Thanks in advance for any helpful responses, Ari
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.10 01:30:00 -
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Be patient and think as I do:
With every BP that is won the closer we come to an even better BP.
You're doing nothing wrong. Many people, most people, have nothing so far. Starship is the most heavily competitive area, with the least BPs awarded also.
I have tens of thousands of RPs over 5 agents (soon 6)... got nothing, Yet one of my guys got a great BPO with 75 points.
Its a lottery. Be patient and remember:
"you've got to be in it, to win it".
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Araviel
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Posted - 2004.03.10 02:13:00 -
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there is a tech 3 comming also, so dont worry,
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Ashantee
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Posted - 2004.03.10 03:07:00 -
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The only think i can say is, your researching too much starship stuff.
You see... ALL researchers are put into drawings for ships... thats why you get the 3x RP's per day, to help out, but you are competing with the largest group, over the smallest number of BP's, that really lowers your odds right there.
If you researched the basic... (skills?) the ones without mutlipliers you are put into a drawing with only other people doing those... all the people researching 2x and 3x fields are NOT in those drawings.
So you see... though if you do get a ship BP, it will prolly give you the largest return (cept cargo expander II) you also have the least chance of getting it.
Hope that helped
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Loud Bob
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Posted - 2004.03.10 08:31:00 -
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Ahhh.... Cargo Xpander II and which research skill will give you that BP?
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2004.03.10 18:17:00 -
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Some good BPs yet to come: - 1400mm Artillery II - Large shield booster II - (all types of shield hardener) II - (all types of MWD) II - 100MN AB II - Shield Amplifier II - Cargo Expander II
Just be happy you still have all your RPs and can compete in those lotteries with full strength!
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Ashantee
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Posted - 2004.03.10 19:19:00 -
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I belive it breaks down into the 3 groups
3x ships 2x weapons 1x everything else
I know that everthing else is put into all drawings, and the 2x and 3x are to give people better chances to get things in their specific fields.. but i don't know if people in weapon research are put into ship resarch... no idea really (i don't think any tach 2 weapons are out yet are they?).
Xpander II would fit into the everything else catagory then.
My only question would be, will ammo be under weapon or everything else? ammo is seperate from turrets and bays in the market tab...
/emote prays for paradise cruise missile II or inferno torp II or wasp II
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Rinji
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Posted - 2004.03.11 14:46:00 -
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Unfortenetly for you, you've picked three of the most popular research topics in eve according to the agent survery. Last I looked, GSE was #1, CSE was a very close #2, and Rocket Science was close to the top. This means you are competing with a lot of other people, so you''ll just have to be patient and hope for the best.
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Ariana Fiedala
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Posted - 2004.03.11 17:29:00 -
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Thanks to all that posted here. Agree about the popularity of these three in particular, but we've had similar lack of luck with our other 5 or 6 research projects in less high-profile areas which I did not list here. Guess I'll go read over my Micro Plasma Smartbomb II BP and try and buck up hehe. Member got that one with only 40 RP *sigh*
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Gunship
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Posted - 2004.03.11 18:53:00 -
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far too little to far apart. This is a game, the wait time is stupid long...
I have 10K+ rp in laser and still nothing. CCP is taking the fun out of the game, I started research 2-3 monts ago!
Name me any other game where you do stuff for 3 months with no reward?
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:43:00 -
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Quote: far too little to far apart. This is a game, the wait time is stupid long...
I have 10K+ rp in laser and still nothing. CCP is taking the fun out of the game, I started research 2-3 monts ago!
Name me any other game where you do stuff for 3 months with no reward?
Ahhh yes, but you do get to admire the chess board a lot! And that's important, apparently.
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Ariana Fiedala
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Posted - 2004.03.11 22:06:00 -
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Gunship: Well put. I would understand if this were the case for a PvP guy that happened to start something up for a Lvl 1 agent, but instead we're talking about a corp of dedicated members with appropriately specialized skills that got in smartly on the ground floor and 2 months later have nothing to show for, even after constant everyday effort. I am not one to whine and cry, so hope my opinions here are not taken as such, but my biggest complaint is the randomness of returns on time invested. I would have much preferred to see a system in which T2 items had an RP "cost" once they became available. My other big source of irritation is gettting stuck in an area of research that we had been led to believe initially could be put on hold or changed. These two factors are what's really eating at my enjoyment of the game right now.
Thanks for comisserating guys
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Soulstinger
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Posted - 2004.03.12 02:10:00 -
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I have a level 1 Laser Physics agent, and around the 2000 rp mark I was told that I had made a breakthrough, and that my small emp smartbomb II bp was ready. Refused it of course, but just bumping to say that it is totally random as far as I can see : (
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voogru
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Posted - 2004.03.12 06:30:00 -
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Quote: Name me any other game where you do stuff for 3 months with no reward?
I agree with you, I have a total of 14,000 research points in GSE, and, nothing. And I've done about 70% of the missions. ------- Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Guardian Enforcer, wrecking for 827.3 damage. |
Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:23:00 -
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I think the thing that seems to hurt the worst to people who haven't won a BP yet, are the people who have gotten MULTIPLE BPs already. Here they are, still empty handed, and these other people are up to their armpits in tech2.
It's a lotto, we just gotta deal with it.
(ps I haven't gotten a BP yet either, so the last comment also means me)
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Zzyxx
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:35:00 -
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Quote: Unfortenetly for you, you've picked three of the most popular research topics in eve according to the agent survery. Last I looked, GSE was #1, CSE was a very close #2, and Rocket Science was close to the top. This means you are competing with a lot of other people, so you''ll just have to be patient and hope for the best.
Pls, agent survery? Where can u find the information on what research are the most popular? --------------------------- The silverpilot in a Muninn |
Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2004.03.12 18:12:00 -
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Quote: Pls, agent survery? Where can u find the information on what research are the most popular?
His comment was just by plain logic. Any of the starships and any weapon technolgies are going to be the ones squatted on the most as they are the high demand and high priced ones. The POS Small Hull Repairer II, Micro EMP Smartbomb II and the like, those items from those fields aren't high priced nor in high demand. If you had a choice to get into the lotto for a tech2 Caldari Battleship or get into the lotto for a Micro EMP Smartbomb II, what would you prefer possibly getting? The BP that will create things that people want or the thing that everyone will shrug at and continue on their day.
However, it would be interesting for CCP to show some numbers of what fields are being researched the most...top 5 or such in % of total people researching. If they would do that, you can bet the 4 starship skills will be on there, and one of the fields that yeild a turret/missile.
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Pathoros
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Posted - 2004.03.13 18:20:00 -
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i actually was using a poor lvl 2 agent from Kaal for moleculer engineering. I ahve been in 0.0 so i havent been able to do missions for over 2 weeks. then today, i got a medium armor repair II bp.... what a shock for my lazy ways
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Rinji
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Posted - 2004.03.14 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rinji on 14/03/2004 21:36:03
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Quote: Pls, agent survery? Where can u find the information on what research are the most popular?
His comment was just by plain logic
Actually, there was an agent survey put together by an enterprising memeber of these forums, and those who took part in it got to see the results. Those rankings are correct, as of the last time I looked at the results.
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Kabara
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Posted - 2004.03.25 18:34:00 -
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Getting a ship bp is not all it's *****ed up to be. You end up being a slave to it for very little return. I seem to spend my days just wandering around picking up bits from here and there just to build the thing.
Sales are picking up slightly, but there are still loads of people who do not have the pre-requiste skills to fly one. I think one of our corp has made loads more then me witha small component
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