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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:01:00 -
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We have unfinished business with you.
We are coming for you.
You will pay for your crimes.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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GulletSplitter
Minmatar
Colonial Fleet Services
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:16:00 -
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Who?
Come on Rodj...give us more detail. Inquiring minds want to know...
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:45:00 -
[3]
I can sense fear in your voice, petty slaver.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Dichotomy
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:56:00 -
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There is always the most fear to be found in something that one cannot destroy.
All I can say is I wish you the worst of luck - petty tyrant.
May your stars turn black.
May your friends turn back.
May your soldiers die
Underneath a blood red sky.
May your fairest dreams
Turn to nightmare's screams.
May the wind's cold gust
Turn your bones to dust.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:13:00 -
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Ode Goriad, for those that don't know, was Karishal Muritor's 2ic and is now the leader of the Defiants.
Once again, the Amarr have been caught trying to set up fortified outposts near the border with the Republic. I'm afraid you'll be seeing opposition from more than the Defiants out there, Rodjy-babes.
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Jurgen Heph
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jurgen Heph on 06/12/2007 20:15:00
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Andreus, you are the only petty-anything on this topic.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 06/12/2007 20:23:26
 Originally by: Evanda Char
Ode Goriad, for those that don't know, was Karishal Muritor's 2ic and is now the leader of the Defiants.
Once again, the Amarr have been caught trying to set up fortified outposts near the border with the Republic. I'm afraid you'll be seeing opposition from more than the Defiants out there, Rodjy-babes.
Near the Border with the Republic == within Amarrian sovereign space. We can do whatever we want there without making any aggressive moves towards anyone or breaking any treaties. Just like the Republic is perfectly free to build military bases in Amamake. Of course, if we protested such a move we would be told to mind our own business, wouldn't we?
I suggest anyone thinking themselves loyal to peace and the republic should tread very carefully when supporting these terrorist scum condemned by the Republic itself.
Furthermore, the only entities being aided by the Defiants actions are pirates such as the Muffinmen and the Blood Raiders. I don't believe either entity is friendly to the republic.
Deus Vult!
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:34:00 -
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GulletSplitter
Minmatar
Colonial Fleet Services
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:42:00 -
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Ah...that explains my ignorance of Ode. Thanks for helping clear that up for me.
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Chishan
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:56:00 -
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I have a message for Ode as well.
Chishan raises her fist.
It's good to hear you are back in action again, old comrade.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:53:00 -
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The Amarrian expansion should be opposed at any and every turn. Any outcome that weakens or destabilizes their influence on a given region is a favourable outcome.
I salute the Defiants. May their beacon shine brighter than ever before!
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Verone
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:01:00 -
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Hmm... The Bleak Lands... not too far away.
>>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:14:00 -
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Quote:
The Amarrian expansion should be opposed at any and every turn. Any outcome that weakens or destabilizes their influence on a given region is a favourable outcome.
You know the terrorists have completely *****ed when they have come to the conclusion that blood raiders are better than Amarrians.
A cult that captures people for the purpose of useing their blood in obscene rituals is somehow better than the Empire which has consistently called for peace between the powers for the last century.
Good call there, terrorist.
Deus Vult!
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Disteeler
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:14:00 -
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So many stories Ushra'Khan elders told to the new pilots like me, I'm just speechless, amazed and looking forward to be at your side in the fight! Go go Defiants!
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Kalvor Azrael
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:30:00 -
[15]
Ode,
It's good to hear from you, brother. Very good indeed.
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Parsor Evarkis
Minmatar
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:00:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Dichotomy
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:17:00 -
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Foolish Blake. Amarrians should know by now that it's very, very dangerous to undertake an action that makes Electus Matari and the Ushra'Khan agree on something.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
You know the terrorists have completely *****ed when they have come to the conclusion that blood raiders are better than Amarrians.
A cult that captures people for the purpose of useing their blood in obscene rituals is somehow better than the Empire which has consistently called for peace between the powers for the last century.
Good call there, terrorist.
I shall allow for a minor digression here. *Anyone* is better than your bloated beast of an empire. As for Blood Raiders, aside from the fact that they employ the usual Amarr methods for more sanguine purposes, there isn't much difference in the final fate awaiting those who fall prey to either.
That said, your comment is immaterial to the events at hand. It was not Blood Raiders who spanked your mighty golden fleet, it was the Defiants. This only goes to show that the spirit of freedom can never be extinguished. I am looking forward to hearing of their future exploits, and my ships and crew stand at their disposal should they be needed.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Hmm... The Bleak Lands... not too far away.
Can we, can we, huh huh?! Can we PLEEEEAAAASSSSEEEE?!
Meb stops bobbing up and down
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Vox Thaal
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:55:00 -
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It seems the tribal drums of war beat again. May the spirits of our ancestors guide your hand, Ode, and may you always strike true. My cousins in the Republic: do you not hear the call of your blood? Our kin labor in chains, and the voices of our enslaved ancestors cry out for justice! Who, if not we sons and daughters of Matar, will speak for them? Who will speak for both the living and the dead, and demand the accounting?
The time to choose fast approaches.
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Tablaren
Kingdom of Kador
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:51:00 -
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Ode... Hmmm, the names sounds similar to another terrorist we vaporized earlier today in matari space.
Actually, after checking no it doesn't. Hmmm, ah well fanatics, they all blend together, can't tell one from another.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:06:00 -
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We fought the Defiants in the past. As soon as they show their faces again, we will make sure there is no third chance.
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Verone
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Originally by: Verone
Hmm... The Bleak Lands... not too far away.
Can we, can we, huh huh?! Can we PLEEEEAAAASSSSEEEE?!
Meb stops bobbing up and down
As me nicely sometime kiddo 
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Gegi Wau
Minmatar
Liberty Labs
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:32:00 -
[24]
So the Defiants are still fighting the good fight. I salute you, Ode.
Hit the slavers where it hurts.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Dichotomy
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:33:00 -
[25]
Hey, Verone... what does it feel like to be you?
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Verone
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:40:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Hey, Verone... what does it feel like to be you?
Kinda nice... real nice in fact.
Yeah... one might say Liberating, thanks.
>>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Dichotomy
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:15:00 -
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Thanks. You see, I've always wondered.
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Verone
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:18:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Thanks. You see, I've always wondered.
Any questions, don't hesitate to drop me a mail.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:22:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I suggest anyone thinking themselves loyal to peace and the republic should tread very carefully when supporting these terrorist scum condemned by the Republic itself.
It's not a question of supporting the Defiants, Admiral Lok'ri. The Bleak Lands butt right up against our borders, and the Saracens are talking about burning the region.
A bunch of over-heated Amarr flyboys with a hard-on for killing Minnies is bad enough to have next door.
But when they start storming an area shortly after it comes out that the place in question is crawling with old Blood Raider bioweapons and a potential cure for Vitoc?
Forgive me, but the Long Night never really gave us much of a reason to trust your motives...
... as amusing as a fight between PIE Inc and the Muffin Factory would be.
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:46:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/12/2007 04:50:43
Right up against your borders, but not in your borders.
If you actually were a Republic Supporter --rather than a well known warmonger with no reverence for the right of a nation to do what it wants within its own borders-- then I would suggest that its in your best interest to let us fry the rabble in the bleak while you take care of the mess you have sitting in Amamake.
I suggest an equally large republic fleet movement to shadow the Seventh Fleet on your side of the border. It would both allay your fears and deny the scum, whether they be blood raiders or defiants, a safe haven when we remove them by force from our sovereign space.
Maybe you will come across the so called Vitoc cure (whose only supposed deployment caused mass violence and madness rather than curing the stuff) as the scum flee into your arms.
Deus Vult!
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.12.07 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Right up against your borders, but not in your borders.
If you actually were a Republic Supporter --rather than a well known warmonger with no reverence for the right of a nation to do what it wants within its own borders-- then I would suggest that its in your best interest to let us fry the rabble in the bleak while you take care of the mess you have sitting in Amamake.
I suggest an equally large republic fleet movement to shadow the Seventh Fleet on your side of the border. It would both allay your fears and deny the scum, whether they be blood raiders or defiants, a safe haven when we remove them by force from our sovereign space.
And if we mobilise the Fleet on the border, the Amarr Empire will cry war... after having been left to rummage freely through those stockpiles of bioweapons I mentioned.
While undoubtedly a highly dangerous place, the Bleak Lands form a buffer between our nations, a stretch of No-Man's-Land. They may technically fall within your sovereignty, but they certainly don't fall under the Empire's rule. Much like a divorced couple, I think a little distance is far, far better for us.
Because we are never doing your cooking again.
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 05:13:00 -
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Oh please.
The only people calling war here are the Defiants, their supporters, and you.
The Bleak lands are Amarrian Space, recognised as so by everyone but the blood raiders. Their destabilization only causes pain.
Amarr didn't cry foul when the republic mobilized its fleet to kill Karishal, Amarr wouldn't cry foul now. Its Republic space under international treaty, the Republic can do what you want there. Just don't invade Amarr and everything is fine.
The republic doesn't cry foul about the bases along the borders in Ammatar space, and active war between those two entities is far more recent, why would this be any different?
But then, I should remember I am not talking to a true republic supporter, but rather someone who actively supports aggressive military action against my people.
Deus Vult!
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:14:00 -
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Glad to see you back Ode
Me and the boys might have to slip away from our current mission and form up on your wing when the chance permits. Then when we have killed enough of these Saracen fanatics we'll grab an ale and you can tell me all about your mission in the Wildlands.
It's good to see the Defiants are keeping the Bleak Lands truly bleak. Tango Wing stands locked,*****ed and ready to rock.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Dichotomy
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Its Republic space under international treaty, the Republic can do what you want there.
Considering, however, that the Amarr don't consider the Minmatar Republic to be a legal nation, or, in some cases, even recognise its very existence, that's a largely moot point, isn't it, now, Gaven?
Either the Minmatar Republic exists as a legal entity and it has a right to ask you to turn over its ethnic peoples held in your captivity (the valid, Minmatar argument), or it doesn't, and it's just rebel-infested space that needs to be "Reclaimed" (the religiously-justified nonsense argument I hear from most Amarr).
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:53:00 -
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I used the words international treaty for a reason. I suggest you pay attention next time before opening your mouth.
The Republic may be an illegal entity, but Amarr signed treaties with it, the Caldari, and the Gallente specifying that the four would not breach eachother's sovereignty.
So, unless Amarr wants to break its word to two entities it has recognized the legal existence of, the republic can do whatever it wants as long as it stays on its side of the border. Just as the Empire can do exactly the same. And if any pod pilot groups make an issue of it, they merely are proving that they don't support the Republic but rather an organization that turned traitor to the Republic by stealing a full battle fleet.
Deus Vult!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Dichotomy
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:29:00 -
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Oh, please do violate your agreements - I'd love to see the Caldari turn around and smack you right in the face - be a nice payback for the pompous bastards you've been to them. After all, they are "lesser creatures", just like the rest of us, aren't they?
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Tablaren
Kingdom of Kador
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Oh, please do violate your agreements - I'd love to see the Caldari turn around and smack you right in the face - be a nice payback for the pompous bastards you've been to them. After all, they are "lesser creatures", just like the rest of us, aren't they?
You seem to be an expert on how Calderi view Amarr.
It's amazing no one inside the federation has made use of your insights into the Calderi mind.
You remind me a lot about those old women that spend most of their lives with their cats, just glaring and shouting angry words at her neighbors then telling everyone that is willing to listen about their faults, real or imagined.
Hmmm, they even fight similarly throwing their pet kittens at passersby much like you threw away the lives of all your men in an attack on the Archbishop that could never have succeeded.
But then, I guess in your mind it was right and just to see hundreds of your own and thousands of matari "freedom fighters" perish rescueing people who didn't want to be saved, from a man you had no hope of ever facing, in a battle that could never have been won.
Actually, I digress, please do continue as you were.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I used the words international treaty for a reason. I suggest you pay attention next time before opening your mouth.
The Republic may be an illegal entity, but Amarr signed treaties with it...
Ah. How can one sign legal treaties with an illegal entity?
That means one of two things.
1. That the Amarr Empire signed treaties with the Minmatar Republic only pro forma, and that it does not actually consider them legal and binding.
2. That you are confused about all this legislative mumbo-jumbo and don't know what you are talking about.
Now, which one is it... tough choice.
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Jacinda Molanth
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jacinda Molanth on 07/12/2007 13:25:15
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I used the words international treaty for a reason. I suggest you pay attention next time before opening your mouth.
The Republic may be an illegal entity, but Amarr signed treaties with it, the Caldari, and the Gallente specifying that the four would not breach eachother's sovereignty.
So, unless Amarr wants to break its word to two entities it has recognized the legal existence of, the republic can do whatever it wants as long as it stays on its side of the border. Just as the Empire can do exactly the same. And if any pod pilot groups make an issue of it, they merely are proving that they don't support the Republic but rather an organization that turned traitor to the Republic by stealing a full battle fleet.
Mr. Lok'ri;
These Deviants are not acting with Republic approval nor support as can be seen in the destruction of their previous leader. I would gather they are acting independently of the Republic much as the many rogue slavers act independently of the Amarr Empire when they raid our border worlds.
I believe the official responce in reference to the slavers was "They are your problem'. Well sir, the Deviants are your problem.
Jacinda Molanth
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Sofring Eternus
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I suggest anyone thinking themselves loyal to peace and the republic should tread very carefully when supporting these terrorist scum condemned by the Republic itself.
It's not a question of supporting the Defiants, Admiral Lok'ri. The Bleak Lands butt right up against our borders, and the Saracens are talking about burning the region.
A bunch of over-heated Amarr flyboys with a hard-on for killing Minnies is bad enough to have next door.
But when they start storming an area shortly after it comes out that the place in question is crawling with old Blood Raider bioweapons and a potential cure for Vitoc?
Forgive me, but the Long Night never really gave us much of a reason to trust your motives...
... as amusing as a fight between PIE Inc and the Muffin Factory would be.
Why in the world would pirates keep a cure for Vitoc? More likely that they would destroy any permanent cures that they found, in order to protect their illegal smuggling profits from selling the temporary cures.
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ΞνΞ ΘΠLІΠΞ
Amarr dont need Grr... and RAWR is definately too much, but some Oomph would be nice. |
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Kazuma Ry
Amarr
Ebon Seraph
Order of the Black Cross
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuma Ry on 07/12/2007 17:17:57
I thought that I would share this,
At 14:05, 3 Defiants entered Sahtogas system, the pilot's names are Berlolf Rern, Kald Wedafur, Oran Wibod piloting 2 Jaguars and 1 Wolf. Oran Wibod appeared to be the one in charge of this trio, since he gave the order to commence a patrol.
Calebes of Imperial Pharmacy, and myself gave chase trying to get to them, neither of us knew each other before this time. The Defiants then jumped into Saikamon, and during the course of finding them and a few words exchanged, Calebes engaged them in a hurricane. Before I could make it to Calebes to give support, he had to withdrawl, and the Defiants then left system.
As far as I know the Defiants headed into Myyhera, but I am not entirely sure.
Thank you for your time
edit for grammer
Kazuma Ry
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/12/2007 17:25:02
Originally by: Jacinda Molanth
Edited by: Jacinda Molanth on 07/12/2007 13:25:15
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I used the words international treaty for a reason. I suggest you pay attention next time before opening your mouth.
The Republic may be an illegal entity, but Amarr signed treaties with it, the Caldari, and the Gallente specifying that the four would not breach eachother's sovereignty.
So, unless Amarr wants to break its word to two entities it has recognized the legal existence of, the republic can do whatever it wants as long as it stays on its side of the border. Just as the Empire can do exactly the same. And if any pod pilot groups make an issue of it, they merely are proving that they don't support the Republic but rather an organization that turned traitor to the Republic by stealing a full battle fleet.
Mr. Lok'ri;
These Deviants are not acting with Republic approval nor support as can be seen in the destruction of their previous leader. I would gather they are acting independently of the Republic much as the many rogue slavers act independently of the Amarr Empire when they raid our border worlds.
I believe the official responce in reference to the slavers was "They are your problem'. Well sir, the Deviants are your problem.
Jacinda Molanth
I would agree.
However, If you were paying attention to the way this thread has developed, you might notice that I was responding to the statement by Evanda Char, a supposed republic loyalist, that somehow it was an aggressive act towards the republic to deal with our problems in our space.
It is not.
Deus Vult!
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Amira Silvermist
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:36:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Evanda Char
Ode Goriad, for those that don't know, was Karishal Muritor's 2ic and is now the leader of the Defiants.
and I am sure the second one will meet his demise in a similar entertaining way...
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:32:00 -
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Ode Goriad, your tactics appear to be impeccable; the Amarrian scum apear to be quaking in their boots, and even ... can it be ... asking the Republic to help deal with you? Is even the combined might of the 7th fleet and the paramilitaries insufficient to face a small group of Matari heroes?
I look forward to the day when I fly at your side as we work toward the freedom of our people!
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proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Sofring Eternus
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:35:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Jacinda Molanth
Edited by: Jacinda Molanth on 07/12/2007 13:25:15
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I used the words international treaty for a reason. I suggest you pay attention next time before opening your mouth.
The Republic may be an illegal entity, but Amarr signed treaties with it, the Caldari, and the Gallente specifying that the four would not breach eachother's sovereignty.
So, unless Amarr wants to break its word to two entities it has recognized the legal existence of, the republic can do whatever it wants as long as it stays on its side of the border. Just as the Empire can do exactly the same. And if any pod pilot groups make an issue of it, they merely are proving that they don't support the Republic but rather an organization that turned traitor to the Republic by stealing a full battle fleet.
Mr. Lok'ri;
These Deviants are not acting with Republic approval nor support as can be seen in the destruction of their previous leader. I would gather they are acting independently of the Republic much as the many rogue slavers act independently of the Amarr Empire when they raid our border worlds.
I believe the official responce in reference to the slavers was "They are your problem'. Well sir, the Deviants are your problem.
Jacinda Molanth
As amusing as your slip of the tongue was, I just wanted to point out, that as deviant as they may be, they call themselves the "Defiants".
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Amarr dont need Grr... and RAWR is definately too much, but some Oomph would be nice. |
Tablaren
Kingdom of Kador
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.07 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sofring Eternus
As amusing as your slip of the tongue was, I just wanted to point out, that as deviant as they may be, they call themselves the "Defiants".
Was it a slip of tongue? Perhaps she truly believes in the republics policy and seeing as they have drastically deviated from that policy, termed them "deviants"?
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 03:08:00 -
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The involvement of Defiants in this mess doesn't really bode well, I think. They don't really have a reputation for being paragons of restraint and balance in the universe after all. Wasn't their foundation marked by the hijacking of a Republic carrier group? The financial and military resource damage done to the Republic - their own people - by that act was considerable... and now here they are shooting the drone hive. While the Minmatar are perfectly capable of meeting the Empire on their own terms nowadays, that's not an excuse to start stirring up the sort of trouble that could lead to war - and the Tribal Council know it.
While I can at least respect The Defiant's motives, their hot-headedness and arrogance can only cause more harm than good. Collateral damage in pursuit of a cause, however noble, undermines the cause. And yes, innocent Amarrian citizens count as "collateral damage". Clearly the Defiants don't consider the welfare of millions of Amarrians to be anywhere near as important as the liberation of a handful of slaves.
And they clearly don't consider the ramifications of their actions at all.
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Vox Thaal
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
And they clearly don't consider the ramifications of their actions at all.
I would assert in fact the precise opposite is true. They know exactly what they are doing.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.08 10:39:00 -
[49]
There is no way you can reach a goal like the liberation of millions of Matari against the overwhelming power of another Empire without hurting bystanders. If you ask that you ask that we lay down our hands to rest and just let the monstrosities happen.
Oh, and "innocent" is not a term applicable to slavers...
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Posted - 2007.12.08 13:35:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Tablaren
Originally by: Sofring Eternus
As amusing as your slip of the tongue was, I just wanted to point out, that as deviant as they may be, they call themselves the "Defiants".
Was it a slip of tongue? Perhaps she truly believes in the republics policy and seeing as they have drastically deviated from that policy, termed them "deviants"?
Thank you Tablaren for your observation. The term deviant is not an insult nor slur but a descriptive definition of these Defiants. I do indeed believe in the Republic but not necessarily the people in control at the moment.
My post was to simply state that the Republic could no more be held responsible for their actions then the Amarr Empire can be held accountable for the actions of the occasional slaver raids on our borders. Both are the independent actions of individuals, not government backed paramilitary groups.
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kabajashi San
There is no way you can reach a goal like the liberation of millions of Matari against the overwhelming power of another Empire without hurting bystanders. If you ask that you ask that we lay down our hands to rest and just let the monstrosities happen.
Oh, and "innocent" is not a term applicable to slavers...
You're making the exact same mistake as the Defiants if you think that all Amarrians are slavers.
I am NOT pro-slavery. Quite the opposite, I believe that every person should be free to pursue their own destiny and prove their worth on their own.
Something the Ushra'Khan and the Defiants consistently forget, however, is that while slavery may be a major trade in the Empire, that does not mean that every last Amarrian is involved in the practice. What of the poor, the politically dissident and the young? Better yet, what about the billions of Amarrian citizens for whom the practice of slavery is not a consideration at all, or at most a distant pipe dream?
Slavery is widespread in the Empire, certainly, but that does not mean that every household has a slave. Far from it. In fact, the bulk of the slave population of the empire are taken from non-Matari stock nowadays.
So yes, there are innocents in the Empire. And every time the Defiants raid a settlement to liberate the few hundred slaves living there, they drastically undermine the nobility of their work by leaving thousands of innocent livelihoods ruined in their wake.
They only consider the ramifications of their actions as it applies to the liberation of Minmatar slaves and nobody else. In every other regard, they are equally as callous as the slavers that they fight.
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 13:52:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Stitcher on 08/12/2007 13:53:17
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Posted - 2007.12.08 14:07:00 -
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I love it how the Amarr Loyalists are appearing to become more and more proficient in turning their own announcements into political ****storms littered with arguments, attacks on people and general arrogance.
Hilarious.
Thank you for providing me with additional amusement as our interrogation team continue to cut body parts from several captured citizens of your "empire".
>>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.08 14:12:00 -
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Two things:
I DID say that a task like that cannot be completed without hurting bystanders, call them innocent or whatever. We are talking about war here, a violent struggle betwen two opposing sides. This is not a child's game or one for dreamers. I wish there would be a non-violent way, but there isn't, no matter how long you will be singing the sleep song to put our resistance to rest.
Second (and I know you will jump on that one):
It simply doesn't matter if you actively support slavery or hold slaves yourself. Just doing NOTHING makes you a supporter of slavery. A man cannot look away on oppression and torture and claim to be honourable. It is the same principle when we talk about Providence. You know about the monstrosoties who are done to our brothers and you say you don't support these. So what do you do to end their pain? The people in the bleak lands lived right next to slave farms, they profitted from them directly or indirectly, they did NOTHING to help the people suffering there, they are most certainly not innocent to their fate. I have no pity for them.
Salute to the Defiants.
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 08/12/2007 14:51:12
We live in an era of precision warfare. I can reliably strike a twenty-meter target from two hundred thousand meters away or more with the right tactics and equipment. If I were to ever conduct an orbital bombardment, I feel certain that I could demolish a specific building and yet leave the one immediately next to it perfectly undamaged.
In an age of such exquisite precision, any party that accepts collateral damage as being an unavoidable part of war (and I dispute that war is even necessary here) is being inexcusably negligent. The technology and tactics exist - the Defiants are not using them.
As for your second point - I have, during the course of my career, been instrumental in the liberation of a great many slaves. I am not exactly sure how many, but it's certainly not a small number. Admittedly, I have never gone diving into the heart of the empire and raided a slave caravan but that's because doing so is illegal.
I do not believe in emancipation through bloodshed. Every time a settlement is smashed for the sake of freeing its slaves, the raiders merely fuel the Amarrian belief that all Minmatar are unthinking animals that need educating. By all means, go smash the illegal slavers who make raids against outlying Minmatar settlements - they operate outside the bounds of the law themselves, and deserve whatever punishment they receive - but attacks upon "legitimate" slavers will achieve nothing, and the Defiants are delusional if they believe that their actions will achieve anything more than goading the Amarrians.
As for your conceit that any person who sits by and idly "lets" slavery happen is guilty by association - if a person is powerless to affect something, are they directly responsible? It's unreasonable to expect an average Amarrian citizen still tied to the ground by circumstance to be able to do anything about the slave breeding colonies suspended in orbit hundreds of kilometers above his head - assuming he is even aware that they even exist.
The Minmatar are as guilty of proselytization and dogma as the Amarr are. The difference is that where the Amarr teach their children that all Minmatar are heathens to be brought into the Lord's light, the Minmatar believe that all Amarrians are, to a man, vicious evil slave owners with no respect whatsoever for human dignity.
Both sides are wrong.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.08 15:35:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Thanks. You see, I've always wondered.
Any questions, don't hesitate to drop me a mail.
how are bloodthirsty goth pirate chicks in bed?
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:26:00 -
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You are a fool if you believe you can fight a war where nobody gets hurt. The only way to do this is for both opponents to meet on a deserted planet and smash each other heads till the last man standing. Even in the old days that was rarely the case. This is a battle, my friend. Good man will die, bad ones will survive, guilty will live and innocent suffer. There is no other way. Only fools mourn about the inevitable.
But I want to make one thing clear. I am not fighting anyone because of the race of his parents. I am fighting him for the suffering he causes to my brother. I have had the honour to fly alongside Amarr comrades who fought bravely for a cause not theirs and for brothers they have no ancestor in common. On rare occasions I even see an Amarr joining my crew or manning the battle stations.
When you say an Amarr citizen can't do anything about the issue of slavery you are blind. We are outsiders to the Empire and yet we put pressure on it. Can you imagine how much pressure an insider could create? How long would the heirs ignore the voices of their own people if they spoke up clearly? They may consider themselves superior to the common crowd but they are not stupid enough to ignore the power of the masses.
How come that the Amarr speaking up against oppression always do so from outside the Empire, that no one in its rank, higher or lower, dares to name the obvious? You call them citizens, I think they are slaves to their masters. You should fight for them as we fight for our brothers.
We come for our people.
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 08/12/2007 18:12:11
Originally by: Kabajashi San
You are a fool if you believe you can fight a war where nobody gets hurt. The only way to do this is for both opponents to meet on a deserted planet and smash each other heads till the last man standing. Even in the old days that was rarely the case. This is a battle, my friend. Good man will die, bad ones will survive, guilty will live and innocent suffer. There is no other way. Only fools mourn about the inevitable.
That is not what I am suggesting however. I am bemoaning the excessive destruction and suffering caused by these raids, not the fact that it happens at all. Death and suffering are natural parts of war, but that does not mean that we cannot take every step to minimize their presence - which the Defiants are patently not doing.
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When you say an Amarr citizen can't do anything about the issue of slavery you are blind. We are outsiders to the Empire and yet we put pressure on it. Can you imagine how much pressure an insider could create? How long would the heirs ignore the voices of their own people if they spoke up clearly? They may consider themselves superior to the common crowd but they are not stupid enough to ignore the power of the masses.
Hence the fact that non-holders within Amarrian society are almost entirely without rights, and their religion allows the execution of "heretics" - AKA political dissidents - often without trial.
In many ways, the reason the average Amarrian citizen is incapable of affecting the Empire's policies on slavery is the fact that they are little better than slaves themselves.
That is why the Amarrians who speak out against slavery do so from outside the Empire's reach - to do otherwise would be to pretty much extend an open invitation for a strike team to raid their house and shoot them and their lvoed ones dead.
Your philosophy makes no distinction between these unfortunates and the stereotypical corrupt Holder with a hundred thousand slaves labouring across his estate.... and you dare to call ME a fool? Your arrogant zealotry has rendered you completely blind to the suffering of anyone who doesn't have any Minmatar blood in them.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:02:00 -
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Excessive destruction? What news have you been reading? The attacked facilities were slave colonies and military installations. What are you talking about?
You are very fast to mourn about "innocent" bystanders when they are Amarr. You should be more worried about the innocent Matari that are suffering every day by the Empire you are so glorifying. I know people who destroyed entire planets and erased entire tribes and they were not Matari.
We are warriors. We know the consequences of our actions and we accept them. We don't claim to be holier than holy. Give me a break and do the same.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.08 20:23:00 -
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I would like to point out that I personally had the priviledge to fly with a few captains of Amarr origin who denounced the corrupt nature of their Empire and instead joined ranks with us.
So no, we are not biased towards anyone. If one has the courage to stand and fight for what is right, then that one is welcomed and saluted by us. It does not matter what is their origin or bloodline.
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 20:57:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Stitcher on 08/12/2007 20:57:18
Originally by: Kabajashi San
Excessive destruction? What news have you been reading? The attacked facilities were slave colonies and military installations. What are you talking about?
Many of which simply went totally silent rather than being able to contact the press after being raided. Maybe it's just my paranoia coming into play, but I'd be prepared to bet that a lot of those places became graveyards when or after the "liberators" passed through.
Please, don't think I'm fully taking the Amarr side of the issue here - I'm calling for restraint, not idleness. Any action that brings more people out of slavery is all for the good as far as I am concerned - I'm right there with you on that regard.
My concern is that over-zealous action by the Defiants could taint their otherwise laudable goal. There ARE such things as innocent Amarrian citizens, and if they wind up hurt or ruined in the course of Defiant action, then the nobility of what the Defiants are doing is compromised, and it is imperative that they maintain the moral high ground. Otherwise they become just another pack of pirates hiding behind a politically convenient facade.
As I said, these are not the worlds most restrained people, from what I heard. I want them to succeed - but I will not consider them to have been successful unless they can come away from this whole affair looking like the good guys (I'm talking from an objective point of view here. They're already heroes to millions of Minmatar.) Otherwise, they run the risk of putting the Republic in a politically compromising situation, thereby doing considerable damage to the very people they believe they are fighting for.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.08 23:22:00 -
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There are many Amarrians who have renounced slavery. Some have even gone so far as to join the ranks of the Ushra'Khan as Brothers and fight for freedom under the name Amarri.
As for those who live under the protedtion of the Empire what does it mean to be innocent? To not be rich enough to have slaves of your own? That never stopped any of these 'innocents' enjoying the buildings, farm produce or goods created by slave labour. Nor does it stop any of these 'innocents' from financing the Imperial war machine through tithes and donations. A war machine that is designed with the sole purpose of 'Reclaiming' the entire cluster as slaves in the name of a false god.
If these so called 'innocents' want no part of the slave trade then they should renounce it and leave the Empire because to live in the Empire is to be a part of that trade. It permeates every aspect of life there.
The safety and wellbeing of the Imperial population is not our concern. It is the responsibility of the Imperial fleet and the Chamberlin. We will strike at trade convoys, we will strike at the labour camps, the caravans and the shipyards. Move the 'innocents' away from these if you do not wish them in harms way.
Better yet the Amarr Empire could protect it's people best by renouncing slavery and returning our kinsmen to us. Free our people and we won't have to kill any more of you. There is your path to peace.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 00:26:00 -
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Perhaps the Amarr should pray to God for help, since the 7th fleet did nothing.
Just an observation.
Jacinda Molanth
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.09 00:50:00 -
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Perhaps the Amarr should skip praying and spend the time setting up redundant military communications networks. God seems to have a lot more influence in the course of events when His children aren't making things easy for their enemies.
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Vox Thaal
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
As I said, these are not the worlds most restrained people, from what I heard. I want them to succeed - but I will not consider them to have been successful unless they can come away from this whole affair looking like the good guys (I'm talking from an objective point of view here. They're already heroes to millions of Minmatar.) Otherwise, they run the risk of putting the Republic in a politically compromising situation, thereby doing considerable damage to the very people they believe they are fighting for.
While I possess a certain amount of sympathy and understanding for your position as it stands as an theoretical abstraction -- and that is what it indeed is -- I am left to wonder exactly where the innocents in the 7th Fleet were, save those poor unfortunate souls who had no choice because of their coerced ingestion of vitoc.
As much as I deeply admire the quality of restraint, it is rapidly becoming apparent a measured response, while perhaps appropriate with a more civilized people, will not produce the desired results in this case. The institution of slavery is woven into the very fabric of Amarrian society, and one cannot delineate it or compartmentalize it. From the lowliest peasant to the greatest Holder, all take advantage of the tainted fruit it produces. Without a doubt slavery is the fundamental bedrock of their order, the bulwark which keeps the beast from eating itself. It allows the idle Holder to pursue the life of leisure and belligerence against his neighbors, for he has little else which demand his attentions. It is little wonder why they fight so tenaciously to preserve it: their entire society would collapse without it.
Slavery must be destroyed. Completely and utterly, and wiped from the cluster in the name of all free people, for it endangers all men who value their liberty, be they Minmatar, Gallente, or even Caldari. Unfortunately, words alone will not accomplish this task. We must take the fight to them, and lay it on their doorsteps. While making all attempts to avoid unnecessary destruction, we must remember our opponents are willing to take our children and put them in shackles. We must speak to them in the only language they seem to understand, force. True liberty is never willingly given; it must be seized.
The Defiants understand this. As does the Ushra'Khan.
We will do what we must to secure our liberty. And by extension, protect the liberty of all the free peoples of the cluster.
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Ugleb
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.09 15:35:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Vox Thaal
The institution of slavery is woven into the very fabric of Amarrian society, and one cannot delineate it or compartmentalize it. From the lowliest peasant to the greatest Holder, all take advantage of the tainted fruit it produces. Without a doubt slavery is the fundamental bedrock of their order, the bulwark which keeps the beast from eating itself. It allows the idle Holder to pursue the life of leisure and belligerence against his neighbours, for he has little else which demand his attentions. It is little wonder why they fight so tenaciously to preserve it: their entire society would collapse without it.
Allow me a moment to expand upon my comrades words. Slavery is an integral part of Amarrian culture, economics, political prestige and perhaps above all else; religion. Stitcher may be right, not all Ammarrians are wealthy enough to own a slave personally, not even a house slave to work for the family. But to the vast majority, that is not entirely relevant.
The institution of Slavery places true Amarrians above lesser races. Many believe that a life of slavery gives we 'heathens' the hope of redemption in their God's eyes by serving his will and chosen people. Religion is truly a powerful force across Amarrian society. The less devout simply see the inferior put in their place, under the heel.
Indeed Stitcher, the lowliest of commoner in the Empire might have little say in the affairs of his nation, hold no slaves or desire to acquire them. But those with the power to change the Empire do. Who commands the wheels of the Empire to turn? The 'Noble' Holders. Slave Holders. Slaves represent power wealth and status within the Empire, as long as they do then only so much can be achieved with words. As long as the leaders of the nation display their power with the slave, the slave shall be coveted by those beneath them. A few Amarrians reject this, the majority do not. They are born and raised to this world, they must be broken from it.
The Defiants have struck at Slave camps, Naval installations and true, they have also struck at miners and prospectors. Why, the Ushra'Khan has declared the Providence Region a free fire zone! Why? Because we are at war, in war you must remove the enemies ability to wage war, or you are lost. Those whose industrial activity benefits the Slaver Regime are actively working against our goals to end Slavery. The Imperial Navy requires warships and the support of a strong economy. Break that economy and you break the grip of the Holders.
Will civilians get hurt? Quite likely. It began with the Day of Darkness, when Amarr descended upon our worlds in their 'Holy Crusade'. It ends when they release the last of us. It is liberty we seek, not bloodshed. But it may be the price we all pay for the will of an Amarrian God.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:37:00 -
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Orbiting Amarr VII (Oris)
Sepherim read the whole discussion with a sad gesture on his face. He slowly shaked it a bit before replying.
-You fight a physical war and ask for people to take moral reforms. And yet, you don't understand that the same war you fight only hinders those moral changes you seek. You talk about coming for your own, and talk about people who hold slaves as little less than Damnation. So you kill them, because "there are deaths and losses in any war".And you don't understand that each of them you kill becomes a martyr, that for each facility attacked the whole Empire joins against "a murdering terrorist group". Your own voices are silenced by your deeds.-
Sepherim makes a small pause.
-You have lost your path, and in your seek for one, you have only found bloodshed. And bloodshed has become your real reason for life. You hide it behind beautiful words, but your own acts go against those same words.-
Sepherim shakes his head before coming to the final conclusion.
-I come from a race of slaves. We were slaves long before you even heard the Amarr ever existed. We even fought wars against the Amarr long before the Minmatarr homeland was destroyed. And, I have spent much of my life in slave transports. And I can tell you, everywhere you go in the Amarr Empire, you will everyone hear and talk about your terrible deeds. Because they are terrible. And they have no sense anymore. You have strayed far from your path and will never retake it until you lower your guns and start using your brains. The war you want to fight goes directly against your objectives, you have to choose, liberation or war? Both can't go together.-
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:58:00 -
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I have heard these words so often, Mr. Sepherim, but that doesn't make them true. You show me a path where we can reach the liberty of our brothers without bloodshed and I will give up on the way we are going. But do not talk to me about appeasement or the change of generations. I will not sit idle in the dim hope that one day the Amarr might wake up from the dream they are dreaming and that is a nightmare to the rest of the galaxy.
You say it yourself, with every slavers life spent more and more people talk about us. That is what we do. We show that slavery comes with a price and that this price is not only paid by the so called lesser ones. We inflict harm on the Empire so that you know that we are still there fighting and that you will never get rid of us until our brothers are free.
The blood we shed, ours and that of our adversaries, represents the blood that is shed every day on the slave farms. Only that on these farms it is shed silently and nobody hears the cry of their souls. We make them heard. You cannot ignore when we strike at ships in the middle of your Empire. You cannot ignore the noble sons who die on these ships. You cannot ignore the economic impact we have. And just think how few we are. We show you the mirror, the results of your deeds, the cost it brings.
You say we unite the Amarr. True it may be in some cases. We are like a hammer on the rock. First it will strengthen the structure, making it harder. But hit over hit these little c'racks that every rock has will widen and deepen and finally it will crumble. We are few and we fight an Empire so much older and stronger than we are. But just as the hammer is much smaller and so much younger than the rock we will make this Empire crumble unless you give freedom to those that we call our brothers.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.09 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ontaku Oroa on 09/12/2007 17:09:35
Sepherim:
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You have strayed far from your path and will never retake it until you lower your guns and start using your brains. The war you want to fight goes directly against your objectives, you have to choose, liberation or war? Both can't go together.
Oh yes they can. And usually, they must.
The Republic itself was born in the fires of rebellion and war. Before, nothing we could do would shake off our chains. When we dared to finally take up arms, we became free.
I myself come from a race of free people. But I was a slave. And untill I rebelled, untill I placed my life at the line and killed my former master, I knew not freedom.
Perhaps by fate or by blind chance I lived to enjoy that freedom. And I know, just like many of us do who have experienced the life of a slave, that the people who are able to inflict such suffering upon others for no other reason than TRADITION, are people too emeshed in their own vile ways to be able to listen, to be reasoned with.
I fight. I command warships which send thousands into oblivion. I see this as necessary, but not as something I should revel in. I am open to an alternative.
That alternative is simple.
To the Amarr Empire and their thralls: free all slaves. To the man, woman and child.
That simple. And I say, untill the day they break or do this, we are to be considered a force of nature. The avalanche cannot be blamed for falling upon the head of a noisy man. The gravity cannot be blamed for crushing the ship of a careless captain.
And so we freedom fighters cannot be blamed for destroying those who visit misery upon our people.
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 09/12/2007 18:02:05
Originally by: Kabajashi San
You say we unite the Amarr. True it may be in some cases. We are like a hammer on the rock. First it will strengthen the structure, making it harder. But hit over hit these little c'racks that every rock has will widen and deepen and finally it will crumble. We are few and we fight an Empire so much older and stronger than we are. But just as the hammer is much smaller and so much younger than the rock we will make this Empire crumble unless you give freedom to those that we call our brothers.
The question you must ask yourself is - have you misjudged the Amarrian character?
To extend your analogy, rock is brittle, as you say. Given enough work, it will fracture and break... but if the collective will of the Amarrian people is iron instead.... well, metal is tough and malleable. Hammering away at it will only serve to close those same flaws and imperfections that you are hoping to widen and exploit.
If the Amarrians have a will made of rock, then you are quite right that it is only a matter of time before they break. If they have a will of iron, however, then your hammering will serve only to forge them into something new and stronger.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.09 19:32:00 -
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It is an analogy and as every analogy it has its weakness.
In every society of imperfect man be it Amarr or Matari there are these c'racks. You yourself said that there are Amarr who have a different view on slavery but don't speak up. The Amarr are not one block of metal as much as they like to appear so. There are so many different interests in the Empire, so many religious or political drifts. Only they hide under the surface of the golden blend they show to the outside.
And even if there wouldn't be we would have to destroy this bar of metal as a hole or at least form it under pressure into something else. We are the voice of the silenced, we are the arm of the unarmed. If we were nothing else that would be enough.
We come for our people.
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Vox Thaal
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.09 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Vox Thaal on 09/12/2007 20:15:08
Originally by: Stitcher
The question you must ask yourself is - have you misjudged the Amarrian character?
We ask you: what alternative do we have? This is the heart of the question. Despite the words of some, history reminds us the Republic was not born out of a moment of mass altruism on the part of the Amarr. It instead was born in fire and blood, by men and women willing to stand and cast off the yoke of those who had enslaved them. Words did not accomplish this. Action did.
I detest war, as do most of my comrades. It is the fount of all manner of calamity and human misery. It visits death, destruction, and ruin on both the innocent and guilty alike. I take no pleasure in being part of it. However, Amarrian actions and attitudes have continually demonstrated that in order to win the freedom of my enslaved kin, I must continue to lower myself into my capsule with a heavy heart.
We do what we do because we feel it is necessary to achieve justice, no more. Present us with a workable, legitimate alternative which produces freedom for all those enslaved, and we would happily lay down our arms and resume our peaceful pursuits. As it stands, however, such a peaceful solution is beyond the reach of diplomats, for it would destroy the twin fundamental pillars of Amarrian society: slavery, and the unshakable faith in a God who commands his people to enslave others. As Ugleb reminds us, slavery is not only a tool of economic necessity to the Amarr, it is a core Act of Faith, and will never be willingly abandoned, unless there is a mass shift in the religious zeitgeist of the culture itself. In order to achieve a peaceful solution, you must change what it means to be Amarr.
Perhaps we do misjudge Amarrian character at times, and their tenacity in defending the status quo of their order. At the same time, however, they misjudge us: they underestimate the depth of our love of liberty, and our willingness to bear any burden to protect it and secure it for our tribesmen. How could they not? Love of liberty is a foreign concept to them, a theoretical abstraction. It is not a part of the Amarrian character. Until it is, I fear there will be war between our peoples.
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 21:41:00 -
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If you are going to wage war, then wage it well. My concern over your campaign against the empire relates to the fact that it is nebulously directed at "The Amarrians", "The Amarrian way of life" and so on. Your analogy of beating away at them with a hammer is precisely what worries me - you are describing blunt, head-to-head warfare. History has shown that due to their numbers, faith and sheer arrogance, the Empire most excels in direct confrontation. Provide them with an excuse and enough propoganda, and the sheer charismatic force of their personality will most likely prevail.
I am not proposing an end to your war - I myself believe that the most effective road to peace lies paradoxically in war. I do not believe in total war, though. If your approach involves the hammer, then mine adds the chisel. I don't think I need to explain my reasoning there - I believe that the correct amount of force applied in the correct place will always produce a better result than any crude battering, however powerful.
In other words - fight with your heads, not your hearts.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.09 22:47:00 -
[74]
You know why the Khumaak is one of my favorite weapons? Not only because of its symbolism and the strength it represents. It is more the way it is used, the ability to strike hard and blunt but at the same time use the spike to aply force to a very specific point if you have discovered the weakness in the enemy's armor or defense.
Such is the way we fight. We can put full scale pressure on trade, economy, traffic or whatever activity is related to acts of slavery. But we can also strike precisely on a certain weakness of the enemy if necessary.
We were talking about the Defiants so lets take them for example. They caused disturbence all over the Bleak lands by various operations with no specific pattern or link. On the other hand they stroke precisely at the 7th Fleet installations and there out before any defence could be mustered. They are masters in the art of war.
You see, you only judge Matari military capabilities from an outsiders point of view. You see us ranting here in the forums and beating our chests for what we do to Providence. But you should never forget that UK is a small bunch of ragtag warriors from all kinds of backgrounds and military experience. As much as I hate to admit it but you are right when you say we fight with our hearts more than with our heads. I myself just lost a my ship because I felt the urge to engage and didn't have the patience to let the enemy pass by. But we are not the Matari. We are only one part of our people. One clan doesn't make a tribe.
We are learning, evolving. We are practicing. We will be ready on the day of the storm. It was a storm of darkness that caused so much harm to our people. It will be storm of light that will wash away the Empire. Midular will not bind the power of the Republic forever. One day we will stand united and no one will stop us. Can you hear the drums? Do you see the dawn at the horizon? It is the dawn of a new day, the dawn of freedom. It may take ages until that sun rises but what is time in the face of the eternity we will spend with our ancestors once we have washed away their shame?
The Empire holds the fate of our brother in its hands. It will either give it to us or we will get it from its cold dead hands. We come for our people.
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Arelius Sarum
Amarr
Exodus.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 22:52:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Kabajashi San
You know why the Khumaak is one of my favorite weapons? Not only because of its symbolism and the strength it represents. It is more the way it is used, the ability to strike hard and blunt but at the same time use the spike to aply force to a very specific point if you have discovered the weakness in the enemy's armor or defense.
Such is the way we fight. We can put full scale pressure on trade, economy, traffic or whatever activity is related to acts of slavery. But we can also strike precisely on a certain weakness of the enemy if necessary.
We were talking about the Defiants so lets take them for example. They caused disturbence all over the Bleak lands by various operations with no specific pattern or link. On the other hand they stroke precisely at the 7th Fleet installations and there out before any defence could be mustered. They are masters in the art of war.
You see, you only judge Matari military capabilities from an outsiders point of view. You see us ranting here in the forums and beating our chests for what we do to Providence. But you should never forget that UK is a small bunch of ragtag warriors from all kinds of backgrounds and military experience. As much as I hate to admit it but you are right when you say we fight with our hearts more than with our heads. I myself just lost a my ship because I felt the urge to engage and didn't have the patience to let the enemy pass by. But we are not the Matari. We are only one part of our people. One clan doesn't make a tribe.
We are learning, evolving. We are practicing. We will be ready on the day of the storm. It was a storm of darkness that caused so much harm to our people. It will be storm of light that will wash away the Empire. Midular will not bind the power of the Republic forever. One day we will stand united and no one will stop us. Can you hear the drums? Do you see the dawn at the horizon? It is the dawn of a new day, the dawn of freedom. It may take ages until that sun rises but what is time in the face of the eternity we will spend with our ancestors once we have washed away their shame?
The Empire holds the fate of our brother in its hands. It will either give it to us or we will get it from its cold dead hands. We come for our people.
You've certainly evolved, for better or worse, after getting evicted out of Providence with the loss of Unity Station.
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 23:12:00 -
[76]
Well spoken, Kabajashi San.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2007.12.10 01:09:00 -
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Orbiting Amarr VIII (Oris):
Sepherim shook his head, sadly. Neither they had understood their path, nor had they understood the path of the Amarr. They were lost to both, and they were proud of striking blindly to anyone in sight. Maybe their blindness was the source of their rage, and the only way they knew how to silence it was by fighting anyone who came close to them.
It was sad to see a human being fall from the light and turn to darkness. It didn't matter if it was someone turning to the Blood Raiders or a pilot turning into senseless massmurder. He had seen it too many times. Too many times.
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Drakonus Laerdon
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 03:51:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Kabajashi San
It may take ages until that sun rises but what is time in the face of the eternity we will spend with our ancestors once we have washed away their shame?
You shall one day be spending Eternity with your ancestors: an Eternity burning in the fires of Hell alongside them. Although, you will not have your shame erased, only magnified.
You terrorist scum only fight for yourselves and your own selfish interests. We Amarr fight for something far greater than ourselves: Almighty God.
This is why that in the end, we shall prevail.
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Forty Three
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.10 08:03:00 -
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Actually, no. We do not fight for our own selfish interests. We fight for our enslaved brethren. We fight for those whose voices were silenced. We fight for those who are too weak to fend for themselves.
Our goal, like it or not, is far more noble than your own. You say you fight for God; what, is your all-knowing, all-powerful deity unable to defend himself? does he really need your help? If he does, well that just puts him on the same level as the slaves we fight to liberate.
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Drakonus Laerdon
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 15:17:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Forty Three
Actually, no. We do not fight for our own selfish interests. We fight for our enslaved brethren. We fight for those whose voices were silenced. We fight for those who are too weak to fend for themselves.
Our goal, like it or not, is far more noble than your own. You say you fight for God; what, is your all-knowing, all-powerful deity unable to defend himself? does he really need your help? If he does, well that just puts him on the same level as the slaves we fight to liberate.
Enslaved Bretheren = Self-interest.
Your "enslaved" bretheren at least have a chance, albeit a small one, to be Enlightened and redeemed for your race's sins in the eyes of God.
You seek to remove this chance for salvation from them because it makes you feel better about your own pending damnation.
Hence, your goals are not noble at all. The problem with terrorists such as yourself is that you are unable to believe in anything that could possibly be greater than yourself. That is why you question God's Will: you believe yourself to be His Equal in the universe.
Sadly, this is not the case and one day you will realize this. But I do thank you for not being "too" insulting, Mr. Forty-Three. I shall say a small prayer for your soul, pointless though it may be.
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Agustus Caesar
Minmatar
Caesar and Sons Salvaging
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Posted - 2007.12.10 15:50:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Drakonus Laerdon
Originally by: Forty Three
Actually, no. We do not fight for our own selfish interests. We fight for our enslaved brethren. We fight for those whose voices were silenced. We fight for those who are too weak to fend for themselves.
Our goal, like it or not, is far more noble than your own. You say you fight for God; what, is your all-knowing, all-powerful deity unable to defend himself? does he really need your help? If he does, well that just puts him on the same level as the slaves we fight to liberate.
Enslaved Bretheren = Self-interest.
Your "enslaved" bretheren at least have a chance, albeit a small one, to be Enlightened and redeemed for your race's sins in the eyes of God.
You seek to remove this chance for salvation from them because it makes you feel better about your own pending damnation.
Hence, your goals are not noble at all. The problem with terrorists such as yourself is that you are unable to believe in anything that could possibly be greater than yourself. That is why you question God's Will: you believe yourself to be His Equal in the universe.
Sadly, this is not the case and one day you will realize this. But I do thank you for not being "too" insulting, Mr. Forty-Three. I shall say a small prayer for your soul, pointless though it may be.
You offer slaves a chance at an abstract concept with little or no basis in reality the Ushra'Khan offer slaves an end to the squalid conditions, torture, brain washing, and inhuman treatment. In short the Ushra'Khan offer slaves freedom, a gift that otherwise only death would offer; wheras you offer only the same hellish conditions that you claim await us.
I'm still confused as to how you can claim working to free enslaved bretheren is anything near self interest. Where's the gain? The loose money, power, prestiege, and time; but what do they get in return? I fail to see how sacraficing almost everything that has meaning for the sake of people you haven't even met qualifies as self-interest.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:20:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Drakonus Laerdon
You shall one day be spending Eternity with your ancestors: an Eternity burning in the fires of Hell alongside them. Although, you will not have your shame erased, only magnified.
If you should be right about this whole fancy story of the white bearded man in the skys singing with the fairies I'd be glad to rot in hell instead of having to share eternity with you. A place a slaver calls paradise can only be hell to a true Matari. I say let 'em flames burn sky high, let me join my comrades playing with the devils. Make room, here I come.
If you should be right that is.
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 23:14:00 -
[83]
Well since we have no pod pilot that reprisents the republic here, it seems no discussion is really possible. Ultimatly, those who support this action in the Bleaklands are supporting a rogue entity that has caused a great deal of shame to the republic, which shows time again that it is incapable of keeping its own military elements in check and loyal to the government elected to rule over it. Basically the republic is more a collection of military warlords and tribal interests rather then a people as a whole. Those who support this man only prove this point further.
To clerify: While the Amarr Empire will not recognize the legitimacy of the Republic as a political entity, it also is not in a state of open conflict with it. It has agreements with other soveren entities which recognize it. There is a boarder, and the republic will be in direct violation of its own inter-galactic agreements if crosses this boarder. The Amarr Empire is not currently fighting a battlefleet reprisenting the republic but a battlefleet the republic itself has condemned. So, supporting this mad man is to be working against the Republic and the Empire in equal measure.
Now we all know that EM and UK have both forsaken the Republic for their own reasons, but this would consitute them working againt the people they seek to protect - which is a foolish proposal at best.
To Verone - I don't see any contradictions here, if anything, I see political consistancy from us. Now if we crossed the boarder, then everything changes. But as long as the Bleaklands is Amarr space (which it is - no fine distinctions here), then it is our duity to patrol and protect it. Doing a poor job of patroling this space does not make it less ours. . .
I will also gasp at anyone who claims the Blood Raiders are better then the Amarr. . . Clearly these people don't understand what they do to anyone they capture - Amarr or Mataar.
So there, nice and clear. Supporting this rogue fleet is to be against both the republic and the Empire - as far as this is concerned - both political entities, even with the disagreements we have, are in agreement.
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Soratah
Amarr
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.12.10 23:26:00 -
[84]
Bleak lands again *sighs heavily*. We cleaned that.. place out years and years ago. It's.. bleak, dull, boring and to be honest the most pointless part of space. However, many slaves are "retired" there so it does have it's uses I guess. Not only for dumping refuse, but of course annoying the Republic.
Blood Raiders and their ilk were punished before by paramilitaries with little to or no assistance from the Empire YEARS ago. Im fairly confident they wont need capsuleer help. What a bore
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.10 23:45:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
I will also gasp at anyone who claims the Blood Raiders are better then the Amarr. . . Clearly these people don't understand what they do to anyone they capture - Amarr or Mataar.
Gasp all you wish. But the fate awaiting those who fall prey to the slavers is the same as the fate of those who fall prey to the Blood Raiders. I would even say that the latter do not torment their victims as extensively as the former do.
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So there, nice and clear. Supporting this rogue fleet is to be against both the republic and the Empire - as far as this is concerned - both political entities, even with the disagreements we have, are in agreement.
We of the Ushra'Khan are not concerned with politicial entities. We are warriors, and so are the Defiants.
We are concerned with real people, our brothers and sisters who wane slowly in captivity. We are concerned with their children and children's children, people who were born into slavery and never knew a moment of freedom.
All we do, is for them. Every shell fired, is for them. They cannot fight, so we fight in their stead. And we do not care for borders, laws, rules and politics. We care only for one thing - freedom for all.
And we are not afraid to stare into the abyss. We know the spirit of our people is strong enough to bridge it.
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ontaku Oroa
Gasp all you wish. But the fate awaiting those who fall prey to the slavers is the same as the fate of those who fall prey to the Blood Raiders. I would even say that the latter do not torment their victims as extensively as the former do.
Big difference, we treat our slaves well, give them 3 meals a day and an education - the Blood Raiders tie them up and drain their blood. The two are radically different.
Like attracts like I suppose, enjoy your new found allies in the Blood Raiders just as you did in your pirate friends. The UK seems to have given up any moral ground what-so-ever it seems.
Originally by: Ontaku Oroa
We of the Ushra'Khan are not concerned with politicial entities. We are warriors, and so are the Defiants.
We are concerned with real people, our brothers and sisters who wane slowly in captivity. We are concerned with their children and children's children, people who were born into slavery and never knew a moment of freedom.
All we do, is for them. Every shell fired, is for them. They cannot fight, so we fight in their stead. And we do not care for borders, laws, rules and politics. We care only for one thing - freedom for all.
And we are not afraid to stare into the abyss. We know the spirit of our people is strong enough to bridge it.
Well, you don't reprisent your people, you reprisent yourself - you said that much. The republic reprisents 'your people', and the Empire reprisents a larger majority then the republic you don't reprisent does. So in essence, you reprisent nothing - you turned your back on the republic your people fought for.
You are allied to the Blood Raiders, who I am sure have great uses for 'your people' - which they are not, they are my slaves.
I am bored of talking dealing with political tools who work with pirates and Blood Raiders. Who next I wonder. . .
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.11 10:18:00 -
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Who next? I suggest re-reading news items on GalNet. You seem to have confused Blood Raiders with the Defiants at some point.
Neither Ushra'Khan nor I personally support Blood Raiders and their actions and methods. On the contrary, I detest them. Just like I detest the actions and methods of slavers of the Amarr Empire. To such a degree that I consider them pretty much the same in the end.
You give your slaves food and "education"? Food? I suppose you do this out of the kindness of your spirit? Hah. Rather so that they may live and be useful to you, like cattle. Education? More like indoctrination akin to than applied by the Sansha Nation upon their victims. You even use implants to better control your captives.
Blood Raiders kill their slaves, draining them of their life blood.
You end up doing the same, draining your victims of their spirit-force and thus killing them in a far more sinister and cruel way.
Those who do not die are turned into brainwashed husks of their former selves, existing only to serve you and your ends, without the desire to even live their own lives.
And you have the gall to speak of yourself as merciful? Better than Blood Raiders?
You are all the same.
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:35:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Ruah Piskonit on 11/12/2007 11:36:19
No, you are continuing down this path equating Blood Raiders to Amarr, which I would not only consider foolish, but idiotic. The two do not equate not matter how you cut it. And yes, I was responding to your comments on the matter, hense the 'gasp' which you have yet to dispell - just side step.
Yes, the defients are not Blood Raiders, but they are an invasion force in our space. Not your space - I suggest you do some humanitarian work, I hear there are starving people in Mataar space and that living conditions there are quite poor. I'd say your personal war is doing more harm, and considering most mataar are living as cheap labor in Gallente space or as slaves in Amarr space - I'd say you have a poor taste in friends and a slanted view of where the plight of your people lies - a little introspection would be wise.
But then again, yyou reprisent nothing, you have no effect, you control no space and you have no economic force - so in the end, I suppose all I can do is feel pity.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.11 12:51:00 -
[89]
The day will come when your antiquated Empire shall be put to the test of war. I foresee it will fail.
For you are empty, just like your threats, your arrogance and your pity.
Save it for those who give a damn.
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.11 13:48:00 -
[90]
A Message to Ode Goriad
Welcome back from the Wild Lands Karishal's Defiants. We look forward to operating with you again.
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 20:32:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Ontaku Oroa
The day will come when your antiquated Empire shall be put to the test of war. I foresee it will fail.
For you are empty, just like your threats, your arrogance and your pity.
Save it for those who give a damn.
I am not full of empty threats you slave child. I am the one looking at your threat and wondering what Gallente cinimatic fantasty you live in: we have the space and the power, you have no space and no power. . .so your threats are empty. I'm sure this 'test of war' we are being put to test to comes, because you are your kind are not the ones bringing it - we already overcame you.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.11 22:37:00 -
[93]
I could write a long dissertation about the strategical and technological deficiencies of the Amarr Empire, but such a thing would be pointless here.
Instead, I believe that actions speak more than words. In this I fully support the Defiants for they were if anything, always the ones to cut to the chase, preferring mincing of slaver ships to that of words.
An example I think we should all follow.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.11 22:44:00 -
[94]
Oh Amarr, is there any blood left in your venes? Any heart beating under that crumpled old skin? You talk about "Political entities" and Frontiers in space put down in a paper at Yulai. You bicker on words and live by the letters of a stone old book. Is that the life of a man?
What is this frontier worth in space? What is the use of calling an area "your" territory of you can't even fight the blooders living there?
Let's talk straight here. Your oh so mighty fleet got its arse kicked by the Defiants. They couldn't even establish proper comms and we all know what an Amarr soldier is worth when not told exactly (and in VERY simple words) what to do. The war that is now waging for centuries has a new battlefield. It doesn't matter what Midular's Republic thinks on that. I as a Matari salute my fellow brothers in arms and there won't be many among my tribesmen who think different on this.
So you can go on ranting about this word or that word or whatever abstract concept you might consider worth discussing. Or you can just grab your ship and prove what you are worth. Maybe, but only maybe, you can at least earn a honourable death after a life of shame.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 22:46:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Ontaku Oroa
I could write a long dissertation about the strategical and technological deficiencies of the Amarr Empire, but such a thing would be pointless here.
Instead, I believe that actions speak more than words. In this I fully support the Defiants for they were if anything, always the ones to cut to the chase, preferring mincing of slaver ships to that of words.
An example I think we should all follow.
Given that despite having the element of surprise on their side, the Defiants only managed to inflict superficial damage on the 7th Fleet before being beaten off, I agree that you and the other Matari chest-beaters here should follow their example.
Particularly when, as Admiral Saracen says, they will be burnt "out from the holes they are hiding with the full force of our holy wrath".
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.11 22:58:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Ontaku Oroa on 11/12/2007 22:58:41
Yeah, holy wrath... you know, Amarr admirals must have a special mandatory course at the academy where they teach them all the creative ways one can incorporate words such as "holy", "wrath" and especially "burn" into their little speeches.
If memory serves right, simmilar burning via the holy wrath was promised to the Jovians as well and we all know how *that* turned out.
Burned? So far I haven't heard of a single Defiant ship being even mildly singed.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Dichotomy
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.11 23:52:00 -
[97]
Ah, Rodj, Admiral Saracen is an incompetent, senile old fool, just like you. Like you, he probably needs thirty ships to bring down a Cyclone. Like you, he uses a lot of pretty but meaningless and irrelevant words in his threats, and, like you, if those threats are carried out, it's at someone else's hands in a blundering, incompetent fashion.
Your vaunted 7th Fleet (little more than a bunch of drooling, inbred human backwash flying ponderous, flimsy monstrosities that weren't up to code five centuries ago) has been struck a blow, however small, by a force that is vastly numerically inferior, flying without logistical aid, capital ship support or detailed intelligence, and then, after the fact, couldn't even find where the agitators had gone.
All in all, a shockingly poor show even for a Loyalist, that'd get any Gallente admiral thrown out on his arse and replaced with someone vaguely competent. I could have done a better job then Saracen, if I had a mind to command a fleet of those overly-polished aesthetic disasters you call starships.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 23:55:00 -
[98]
I suggest you remove the transcranial, dog.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Dichotomy
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.12 00:40:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Gaius Kador
I suggest you remove the transcranial, dog.
Gaius, dear, I'm sorry I didn't include you in my denouncement of the incompetence of the 7th Fleet, but I can't talk about you all the time, can I?
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 01:40:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
...if I had a mind to command a fleet of those overly-polished aesthetic disasters you call starships.
Now that's hardly fair... I quite like Amarrian starship engineering. It's.... uncomplicated. Bold. Perfect for when you need to make a statement. The Amarrian fleet combat philosophy is very much about the "I've got a great big hammer" style of warfare, and their ships are perfectly designed toward that end. They may not have the same tactical flexibility that you find in other schools of starship design, but they're extremely good at what they do.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Dichotomy
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:17:00 -
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More like "I have a really big hammer made of gilt, capacitor death and highly unstable reactors"...
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Drakonus Laerdon
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:02:00 -
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Edited by: Drakonus Laerdon on 12/12/2007 03:06:01
Edited by: Drakonus Laerdon on 12/12/2007 03:05:25
Are you still squawking, rodent?
Andreus, at least have the courage of your convictions when you insult us. At least then you would gain some measure of respect. Stop hiding in your little alliance and come meet us in space once again. Maybe this time you will last 2+ minutes before you are destroyed.
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Herman Letchenstein
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.12 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: Herman Letchenstein on 12/12/2007 05:24:08
Please keep petty squabbles out of Galnet! There is enough information to sort through as it is.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.12 09:26:00 -
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Ode, I said once before, you need only call if you needed my help. I stand by my word and I return back to my home with Ushra'Khan. Karishals memory lives on. We remember.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Dichotomy
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Drakonus Laerdon
Are you still squawking, rodent?
Andreus, at least have the courage of your convictions when you insult us. At least then you would gain some measure of respect. Stop hiding in your little alliance and come meet us in space once again. Maybe this time you will last 2+ minutes before you are destroyed.
Every war needs financial backing - I have struck an immensely profitable enterprise. I intend to be here a while, gathering resources for whatever wars I choose to fight. If you wish to stop that enterprise, you know where to find me.
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Vinerya
The Wings of Maak
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.26 13:21:00 -
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Amarrians, slavery will bring death and hell upon your people, like the khumaak became Arkon Ardishapur's bane.
Think again about it.
We come for our people.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.26 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan
Originally by: Verone
Any questions, don't hesitate to drop me a mail.
how are bloodthirsty goth pirate chicks in bed?
Someone has been listening to far too much gossip! Verone is a very happily married man and his wife needn't worry about any attempte on him with her looks.
Now that's out of the way, I should finish checking out the rest of this since I was last here.
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Jurgen Heph
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Posted - 2007.12.26 22:08:00 -
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Couple of points here:
Andreus loves to counter with something to the effect of, "why must you bring 30 ships to fight a single cyclone." He likes to spin this into how the Amarr lack some kind of noble fairness in battle. This is war, Andreus, not a boxing match. We do not hide the fact that we posess a great number of resorces devoted to said war. You look rather pathetic when you cry about being outnumbered. Next time, I suggest, you make friends or bribe enough other heathens to match your opponents force. You learn that kind of thing in Millitary Schools. First year, no less. Of course, the end will be the same when opposing Holy Amarr. You and your co-conspirators will feel the warmth of your clone vats.
As for every matar and their dogs always bringing up the Jove, and holding that over every Amarr that posts on here, please tell me why, if they are SO very mighty, have they not returned to squash us all? Added to that, I don't remember the Jove giving a second thought to the matar, so what makes you think the Jove, should they even be able to overcome Amarr NOW, stop there? If they are as ALL POWERFUL as the matar make them out, why wouldn't they wipe out the matar as well. I suspect, that the matar would have the same troubles subjegating themselves before the Jovan Empire, as they do their rightful masters in Amarr. Sometimes I think the matar worship the Jove more than these "gods and ansestors" they drone on and on about. Yes, ages ago, the Amarr were not as cautious in their reclaiming, and the Jove won a great victory. Since then, we have learned from those lessons, and an enemy that can learn and adapt is truely dangerous. Let the Jove return, let the matar continue their terrorism, let the Caldari love their technology and let the Gallente remain free to whatever vices and perversions they know. The end will remain, a reclaimed Amarrian galaxy, IN THE NAME OF GOD.
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Verone
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.26 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Originally by: zoolkhan
Originally by: Verone
Any questions, don't hesitate to drop me a mail.
how are bloodthirsty goth pirate chicks in bed?
Someone has been listening to far too much gossip! Verone is a very happily married man and his wife needn't worry about any attempte on him with her looks.
Indeed, I concur.
>>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Heretic Army
The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.27 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jurgen Heph
Let the Jove return, let the matar continue their terrorism, let the Caldari love their technology and let the Gallente remain free to whatever vices and perversions they know. The end will remain, a reclaimed Amarrian galaxy, IN THE NAME OF GOD.
And how do the Amarrians propose to defeat the Navies of the other four Empires, and the navies of the Serpentis, and the Guristas, and the Angels, and the Thukker Tribe, and the Sanshas, and all the other pirate factions who will fight the Amarr when they realise their freedom is in danger, and the parts of CONCORD that oppose your Reclaiming, and the independant capsuleer empires the likes of Mercenary Coalition, Goonfleet, Band of Brothers, Tau Ceti Federation, Red Alliance, etcetera - and have no doubt that if they are seriously threatened they will turn against you.
How will your Navy fight all of them? It is obviously not vastly superior to the Republic Fleet, even when it was just a ragtag band of rebels, else the Republic would not exist. What exactly will the Empire do against every other force in the cluster if you attempt to Reclaim all of us?
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Ottom Ephesianos
Amarr
Pirate Radio
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Posted - 2007.12.27 08:34:00 -
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The problem with most in the endless debates on the wars for and against slavery is people lose their point after being buried under mounds of agenda. Caldari agenda, Matar and Amatar agenda, Amarr and Amarri, Gallente and.. Galletian? Tribe, Council, Clan, Conclave, Board of Representatives, Chair, President, Vice President, Trade Supervisor or Weapons Development and Manufacturer agenda, dot net, dot org, dot com.
All of these voices and interests all with needs and under the shadow of war drowning out the oh so noble catalyst for many of the paychecks any good war can give cause to cash.
War for freedom.
The fight for freedom is a necessity because being free is what is right; this fight has become a way of life. Unfortunately many of the freedom fighters, terrorists, rebels have allowed the battle for those not free to live and to love as they are and how they may: drag on through so many years their lives and lifestyles have inadvertently become codependent with the war they fight.
In this constant cycle of battle and rebirth, destruction and rebuilding bills get paid and pockets grow fat over the courses of inflations and market manipulation:
Profits of opportunity under the shade of war.
And in this blood economy those that search to stop war by bringing about an end to such catalysts such as the slave trade and boundary incursions are labeled as the bad guy by legislation written after such economic cycles have already been set in place.
The Defiants, the UshraÆKhan can not waste the time studying law books and fretting over territories when their objective is to free all slaves. The existence of their catalyst boosts so much economy they can not quietly go about their fight with any sort of delicacy or diplomacy. Slavery, the existence of unfree humans is a blunt affront to the rights of humanity and it takes blunt force trauma, destruction and blood to end such a state of affairs quickly while this preexisting economy feeds on the carnage.
Think of the war for freedom as you might imagine containing a deadly airborne virus. The steps in such a case follow a protocol much the way the Minmatar have progressed into their own free lands of the Republic.
1.Evacuation of the healthy.
2.Quarantine and Assessments on the sick vs healthy.
3.Elimination/Segregation of catalysts/carriers.
4.Classification and Destruction/Vaccination of virus.
I would go so far as to say the Minmatar as a race are entering phase 3 of this metaphor. As a people they face slavery as their own genetic ævirusÆ. A plague in their bloodline forced upon them by the Amarr Empire and false religious documentation. While the Minmatar have managed to evacuate and form the Republic they are still developing and figuring ways to eliminate slavery and passivity that can result from generations bondage. The wars resulting from this are the only logical counters for the disease that are slave holders and their support.
The economy resulting is a sad side effect and may show the aggressors in a bad light to those that might side with the law in matters such as this. However while operating in a system designed to work around an Empire that holds slaves a freedom fighter must ignore law and follow instinct instead: while they were once forced to accept being a slave to survive they are now forced to be the aggressor even in their æfreedomÆ so that their race may survive. Any Minmatar worth his salt knows they will never be totally free until they are all free.
For that I wish them luck for the free Minmatar are truly damned to follow the path of war until they see the bonds of their whole race drug into dark pages of history where slave trade belongs.
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