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moumou78
Soulbound.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 10:39:00 -
[61]
Well, I always wondered why u have to pay for a new clone everytime you die. Why isn't the contract with the cloning facility to pay for a clone lvl and for the facility to provide u with the same lvl everytime. Example: I purchase a clone for 10mil SP. I get podded and I'm back to station and the cloning facility provides me with a 10mil SP clone again, simple. My contract with them is so that I dont pay for a SINGLE clone but for the service of getting a clone.
At the moment, you pay for a single upgrade eveytime, fair enough but it only leads to incidents like D Cent had...people forget, and bam lose points! and please before we all jump on the "This is a harsh game, go play WoW instead" I believe the guy has got a valid point. If this is such a HARSH game why did CCP increase the skillpoint entry lvl for starting players? keep it harsh, let em start from zero I say
Anyways my 2 isks worth
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OOOSOOO
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me!
Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)!
Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill!
Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this.
Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4?
Is this normal? i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken, so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods? dosnt that cost enough? People wonder why people by isk lol!
I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway, but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top!
Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone. You have trained that skill it has taken long enough. The more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the game's enconomics to just end that right now. Surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game!
Fed up lol to much stress!
Alright fixed. I didn't edit spelling or repair sentence structure. I also didn't fix all your punctuation. If I wasn't bored at work, I wouldn't have taken the 3 minutes to edit your post.
I hope English isn't your first language.
Oh btw, don't forget to update your clone.
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Lusian
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Posted - 2007.12.10 23:14:00 -
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At one point i have lost 2 1\2 of skill training because no one told me the extent of wich the jump clones were good for. plus i lost point to wic clone i was useing.
But know one or not enough people knew. So i lost almost 3 momnts of skill training.
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Lusian
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Posted - 2007.12.10 23:15:00 -
[64]
So don't feel so bad.
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hellsknights
RennTech SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.11 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)! Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill! Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4 is this normal i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods dosnt that cost enough and people wonder why people by isk lol! I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top! Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone you have trained that skill it has taken long enough and the more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the games enconomics to just end that right now surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game! Fed up lol to much stress!
Would it hurt you to make some paragraphs? Your block of text is painfull to read.
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Sinfulldelight
Gallente Templar Republic R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.11 06:32:00 -
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Well i am sure your notthe only one that has done it. I my self have forgot to update my clone right after death and lost sp.. But to stop playing becuse of your owen mistake is kinda... well you get the point =)
Just suck it up and set the skill and go kill something =)
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:22:00 -
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/train Empathy to lvl 1
/Boohoo
/wipe eyes with T2 Cleanex
/buy new clone
/resume playing
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Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Disintegrator's Slave
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: moumou78 Well, I always wondered why u have to pay for a new clone everytime you die. Why isn't the contract with the cloning facility to pay for a clone lvl and for the facility to provide u with the same lvl everytime. Example: I purchase a clone for 10mil SP. I get podded and I'm back to station and the cloning facility provides me with a 10mil SP clone again, simple. My contract with them is so that I dont pay for a SINGLE clone but for the service of getting a clone.
At the moment, you pay for a single upgrade eveytime, fair enough but it only leads to incidents like D Cent had...people forget, and bam lose points! and please before we all jump on the "This is a harsh game, go play WoW instead" I believe the guy has got a valid point. If this is such a HARSH game why did CCP increase the skillpoint entry lvl for starting players? keep it harsh, let em start from zero I say
Anyways my 2 isks worth
You obviously didn't get the point why you need to update clone. If it will be free, i'll be travellin' through eve in pod without implants and without need of anything. If someone pods me? Why bother, i get new pod and i don't need anything for it. Why i can't undock in 0.0 everytime only to check if they are there and not loosing anything? It's not the right way ...
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
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Posted - 2007.12.11 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT Yeah agreed it was a very noob thing to do but running alts and stuff you just get mixed up! And yeah it was my fault but the point im trying to make is "is it necessary for the sp's to be taken" Ok understand the logic it takes a fair amount of time to train anything (agreed better than grinding a skill) but if you had to grind a certain amount of skill points to lvl up (other game ideas) would they take that from you cause you lost a pvp match no they wouldnt! Agreed it is not long and it hurts but you know it is the only game where you get sucker punched for trying to acheive something only to be pushed back but remeber something else even tho you can buy time cards with your isk you still spend a lot of time to get that isk which is again money you lose! Im not trying to get sympathy (again i bloody know its my fault lol) But the idea of this game is to train your ass of to fly that better ship and once you have acheived this then you lose that ability it kind of defeats the objective of your game! Im not going to belittle any of you but its a idea that i feal really needs looking into! I have only ever done it once b4 and to put it on paper so to speak i rejected the idea of clone jumps in the beginning and i havnt changed my mind even after 3 something years of playing this game (no this character isnt bought its created and will always remain with me no matter what even if i dont want to play any more)! The end of line means i will no longer shut up about this area of the game! Its an idea people would enjoy it a lot more if they didnt have to worry about skill points! The implants you all use probally is bad enough thing to lose but if you do forget to reclone then you lose the implants but the skill points should always remain with you you took the time to train them so they really have been earned! Not that i expect anything form you lot regarding being objective!@
My eyes! OMG my eyes! I'm blind!
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Jormungand Altruis
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.11 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT but if you had to grind a certain amount of skill points to lvl up (other game ideas) would they take that from you cause you lost a pvp match no they wouldnt!
Actually... Yes, they would.
Death penalties are a fact of life in MMORPGs. At least in EVE you can pay up to avoid the SP loss.
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Zerge Bacon
Gallente Ordos Humanitas Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.11 23:37:00 -
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I was once on the verge of a massive battle, over 200 people involved when someone randomly said to check clones before the jump in. I was so effing lucky they said that, when I checked I almost $**t my pants. I have lost sp like that before, it was something around 15-20 days of training...Very sad indeed, made me quit eve for a couple months. But I came back and learned my lesson. Obviously not well enough though. --- On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero. |
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2007.12.18 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jormungand Altruis
Originally by: D CENT but if you had to grind a certain amount of skill points to lvl up (other game ideas) would they take that from you cause you lost a pvp match no they wouldnt!
Actually... Yes, they would.
Death penalties are a fact of life in MMORPGs. At least in EVE you can pay up to avoid the SP loss.
Only in some MMORPGs... in others it's just a small annoying time-sink.
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Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Mox Kaleb
Caldari Omega Point Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.18 12:16:00 -
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To be considered 'food for thought', or a 'point of debate', any whine on the forums needs to be something we see day in day out, repeated again and again by members of our illustrious population.
Unfortunately I can't remember the last time I saw someone whining about losing skill points after forgetting to re-clone. In a previous incarnation, back in 2004, I did much the same thing - meant I couldn't fly my Iteron V's for a while. I got over it. Everyone does.
Frankly your comments were rendered moot when you stated the following - "fact one:- i forgot to reclone myself (doh)!"
Its all about consequences.
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Ressarus
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.18 12:19:00 -
[74]
ah, c'mon, i know some one who lost 3.5mil SP at once. and he is still playing this game and owning other ppl. lose of 1 mil SP is Not the lose of anything. and it is Not EVE's End. just go to walk and drink a lot with your friends. forget about EVE for few days. problem will be solved
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Z Cobra
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Posted - 2007.12.18 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Z Cobra on 18/12/2007 12:41:26
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Levethian Maar It's a game mechanic that ought to be changed, it's useless.
Next thing we'll hear is ship insurance and ship loss is useless and that your ship with all fittings and loot should be at your clone station even if you don't get podded.
Some people just don't understand that EVE is a hard game, where losses hurt. It never has been, and hopefully never will be anything else.
Quite often ship insurance is useless as the insurance cover does not in most cases even get close to covering the cost of the ship. Would like to see changes in the way insurance is done and the addition of ship contents cover added to the game. Getting rid of insurance, I don't see as an option as the more things you remove from the game the easier and more pointless it is. Eve seems to model itself as a futuristic RL kind of game where your choices affect the outcome. One of my characters is sat in a station in empire this last week because he spent too much on things he did not really need yet. Could not afford anything more than basic insurance for his Raven and there's a war on (does not want to spend weeks mining to be able to afford to replace it), but that's my choice.
As for the op's post, getting rid of upgraded clones is not a good idea. The reason there is upgraded clones as I see it, is that choosing a grade of clone is like choosing the degree of life cover (in RL), you pay your money and take your chances. To get rid of clone upgrades would help devalve the game rather than enhance it.
Eve is a game that keeps the more mature players (IMO) it's not a care free your choices have no consequences type of WoW game. I've only played this game for nearly a year and only probably know about 25% of it, which does not make me an expert but I do consider what I've written here to be a fair assessment.
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Vorlasha
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:59:00 -
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I personally would like to see clone be a service, not a one time thing. Buy a lot of 10 clones for said price. It then notifies you when you are getting low... Like eggs in the refrigerator. Hell, increase the cost, or make it a weekly expenditure recurring like a subscription. For the most part, I think that the main issue is that people don't use it often enough that they forget they need to keep an eye on it. I've had this clone for well over a year, if I got podded tomorrow, I'd probably forget as well.
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Sin Talon
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vorlasha I personally would like to see clone be a service, not a one time thing. Buy a lot of 10 clones for said price. It then notifies you when you are getting low... Like eggs in the refrigerator. Hell, increase the cost, or make it a weekly expenditure recurring like a subscription. For the most part, I think that the main issue is that people don't use it often enough that they forget they need to keep an eye on it. I've had this clone for well over a year, if I got podded tomorrow, I'd probably forget as well.
There really is no reason to forget, everytime I look at a skill I can see how much sp I have and how much sp my clone covers. And for your clone to be covering less sp than you have, you either have just finished training a long skill or you have switched training to another skill, either way you can see at a glance if your clone covers your sp. Either way you can upgrade your clone before it can't cover the additional sp. So there is no real excuse for forgetting to do something about it.
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J909
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:13:00 -
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I feel for ya mate, i would be gutted and my corp mates would laugh there arses off, happened to me a few times in the first year of the game and i learnt my lesson. Im afraid to say its a hard lesson to learn... and thats exactly what it is a "hard lesson"
bet you dont forget again
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:21:00 -
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This thread was better left dead. ----------------
Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.19 00:35:00 -
[80]
Originally by: moumou78 Well, I always wondered why u have to pay for a new clone everytime you die. Why isn't the contract with the cloning facility to pay for a clone lvl and for the facility to provide u with the same lvl everytime. Example: I purchase a clone for 10mil SP. I get podded and I'm back to station and the cloning facility provides me with a 10mil SP clone again, simple. My contract with them is so that I dont pay for a SINGLE clone but for the service of getting a clone.
At the moment, you pay for a single upgrade eveytime, fair enough but it only leads to incidents like D Cent had...people forget, and bam lose points! and please before we all jump on the "This is a harsh game, go play WoW instead" I believe the guy has got a valid point. If this is such a HARSH game why did CCP increase the skillpoint entry lvl for starting players? keep it harsh, let em start from zero I say
Anyways my 2 isks worth
I started with less than 100k (I think it was about 60k, can't recall exactly). Never lost a single SP due to not updating my clone. I don't get podded that often, but why take a chance?
As for the why "u" have to pay each time... er because you're using a new clone each time, perhaps?
Kind of like you can't pay McD's for the "service" of providing a consumable. You have to pay every time you want another burger.
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Shaitan Katana
Caldari Panthera Joint Ops
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Posted - 2007.12.19 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: dmosbarge1 The skillpoints you lose is half of your highest level skill or the difference between your clone's sp storage amount and your current sp, whichever is smaller. It has nothing to do with 5% of anything, and it has nothing to do with what you trained last. Beyond that:
Eve is a harsh world. For less penalties, go to WoW or any other MMO.
Well said ______________________________________________________________________________________________
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MellaRinn
Gallente Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.19 07:10:00 -
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Edited by: MellaRinn on 19/12/2007 07:12:01 I had over 860k SP taken from my gallente battleship 5 upon podding once. It was my fault for letting my mate pod me back to base without remembering to check my clone's status. I swallowed it and trained gal bs 5 again. If you can't handle this loss, then eve is not a game for you.
Also, please use punctuation in your posts - it is difficult to read them otherwise!
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Spaz Twit
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Posted - 2007.12.19 17:52:00 -
[83]
Hmm, this game might be more your style... http://www.sanriotown.com/onlinegame/
^.^
Originally by: D CENT Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)! Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill! Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4 is this normal i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods dosnt that cost enough and people wonder why people by isk lol! I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top! Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone you have trained that skill it has taken long enough and the more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the games enconomics to just end that right now surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game! Fed up lol to much stress!
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WardogX
Outkasts
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Posted - 2007.12.19 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: WardogX on 19/12/2007 18:18:23 It sucks that it happened but you only lost 1 month or less worth of training time. Its not the end of the world it would be worse to throw ALL your character away for a 1 month mistake.
To put this another way.. you take losses in ALL mmo's. Even in games like WoW you could grind for months for some great gear then a new patch or expansion comes out that makes it suck.
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.19 18:54:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Lusian At one point i have lost 2 1\2 of skill training because no one told me the extent of wich the jump clones were good for. plus i lost point to wic clone i was useing.
HUH ?
Originally by: Lusian But know one or not enough people knew. So i lost almost 3 momnts of skill training.
If you lost almost 3 months for training, then it has to be something like Titan 5, because AFAIK, skill point loss only hits one skill.
And, to add fat to the fire, I'm not sure if CCP has changed it, but clones only used to give a percentage coverage, i.e. there is (was?) still always a chance that SPs can (could?) still be lost even if your clone is up to date. --
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Chelone
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Posted - 2007.12.19 22:37:00 -
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So instead of YOUR mistake costing you a month of training, you'll choose to have it cost you your entire character. Brilliant solution.
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