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D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:58:00 -
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Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)! Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill! Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4 is this normal i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods dosnt that cost enough and people wonder why people by isk lol! I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top! Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone you have trained that skill it has taken long enough and the more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the games enconomics to just end that right now surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game! Fed up lol to much stress!
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Karasuma Akane
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:09:00 -
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 Originally by: D CENT
I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)!
It's your own fault. If you don't purchase an updated clone after death, you will lose skillpoints upon the next squishing. It's widely advised that the very first action you should take after being killed and reappearing in-station is to purchase your updated medical clone.
p.s. can i have your stuff? 
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D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:28:00 -
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Yeah agreed it was my fault read fact one
but reality check here m8 if it happened to you you would still have to pay for the 28 days it will take to retrain a skill you took 28 days to train this is the only game where you die you lose lose it takes long enough to get enough isk in this game regardless i just think that 1 mill sps's is over the top! Do we really need to be punished because we couldnt pay for a clone or lose over 1 mill sp thats just a backwards step to playing a really enojyable game it could be done better is what im getting at but you know if thats what you guys like to do then good for you have fun lose sp which ever you choose! YES IT WAS MY FAULT MISSING THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE!
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ms kypp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:32:00 -
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for sure many have lost skill points, but the most i have heard is what they were training last was what went missing..... but 1 million way over the top i have never heard such a sad state of affairs in my life and it does make u wonder what is the point, i think this is insulting to say the least.... and i understand the player is at fault this i dont think was the issue tbh i think the issue is here 1 million skill points what a joke......
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Kelbesque Crystalis
Minmatar
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:43:00 -
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You are supposed to lose 5% of the difference. In order to lose 1mil SP, you'd need to have over 20mil. If you have over 20mil skill points, there is no reason you cant afford a new clone and you should know better by now. Hell 25 days is nothing when you can buy a time card with isk. I only have a few mil SP and can easily afford those.
Assuming the above is true and you didn't buy your character, I'm sorry but I can't have any sympathy for such a noob mistake. Sucks to be you.
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Sam442
Asshats and Alcoholics
Minuit.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:48:00 -
[6]
Originally by: D CENT
Ok b4
who's b4?
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Granmethedon III
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:54:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Granmethedon III
whine whine whine whine whine..... whine.
whine.
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Nolone
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:57:00 -
[8]
Can I have your stuff?
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:57:00 -
[9]
Originally by: D CENT
Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)! Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill! Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4 is this normal i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods dosnt that cost enough and people wonder why people by isk lol! I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top! Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone you have trained that skill it has taken long enough and the more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the games enconomics to just end that right now surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game! Fed up lol to much stress!
You know what you did wrong.
Don't ever do such a stupid thing again.
Problem solved.
Oh and by the way, you talk about "28 days wasted". Did you do NOTHING except train skills? Not play the game, make any ISK or have any enjoyment?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:58:00 -
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Yeah agreed it was a very noob thing to do but running alts and stuff you just get mixed up! And yeah it was my fault but the point im trying to make is "is it necessary for the sp's to be taken" Ok understand the logic it takes a fair amount of time to train anything (agreed better than grinding a skill) but if you had to grind a certain amount of skill points to lvl up (other game ideas) would they take that from you cause you lost a pvp match no they wouldnt! Agreed it is not long and it hurts but you know it is the only game where you get sucker punched for trying to acheive something only to be pushed back but remeber something else even tho you can buy time cards with your isk you still spend a lot of time to get that isk which is again money you lose! Im not trying to get sympathy (again i bloody know its my fault lol) But the idea of this game is to train your ass of to fly that better ship and once you have acheived this then you lose that ability it kind of defeats the objective of your game! Im not going to belittle any of you but its a idea that i feal really needs looking into! I have only ever done it once b4 and to put it on paper so to speak i rejected the idea of clone jumps in the beginning and i havnt changed my mind even after 3 something years of playing this game (no this character isnt bought its created and will always remain with me no matter what even if i dont want to play any more)! The end of line means i will no longer shut up about this area of the game! Its an idea people would enjoy it a lot more if they didnt have to worry about skill points! The implants you all use probally is bad enough thing to lose but if you do forget to reclone then you lose the implants but the skill points should always remain with you you took the time to train them so they really have been earned! Not that i expect anything form you lot regarding being objective!@
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Caldari Citizen 223654
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:00:00 -
[11]
wts: paragraphs.
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D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:01:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: D CENT
Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)! Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill! Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4 is this normal i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods dosnt that cost enough and people wonder why people by isk lol! I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top! Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone you have trained that skill it has taken long enough and the more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the games enconomics to just end that right now surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game! Fed up lol to much stress!
You know what you did wrong.
Don't ever do such a stupid thing again.
Problem solved.
Oh and by the way, you talk about "28 days wasted". Did you do NOTHING except train skills? Not play the game, make any ISK or have any enjoyment?
Yeah i do enjoy the game but it really is an area i feel needs looking into but you lot are obviously in disagreement but again thats not an issue everyone is open to their own opinion and i respect that and no i dont stand still ask those that catch and kill me lol!
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT
Yeah agreed it was a very noob thing to do but running alts and stuff you just get mixed up! And yeah it was my fault but the point im trying to make is "is it necessary for the sp's to be taken" Ok understand the logic it takes a fair amount of time to train anything (agreed better than grinding a skill) but if you had to grind a certain amount of skill points to lvl up (other game ideas) would they take that from you cause you lost a pvp match no they wouldnt! Agreed it is not long and it hurts but you know it is the only game where you get sucker punched for trying to acheive something only to be pushed back but remeber something else even tho you can buy time cards with your isk you still spend a lot of time to get that isk which is again money you lose! Im not trying to get sympathy (again i bloody know its my fault lol) But the idea of this game is to train your ass of to fly that better ship and once you have acheived this then you lose that ability it kind of defeats the objective of your game! Im not going to belittle any of you but its a idea that i feal really needs looking into! I have only ever done it once b4 and to put it on paper so to speak i rejected the idea of clone jumps in the beginning and i havnt changed my mind even after 3 something years of playing this game (no this character isnt bought its created and will always remain with me no matter what even if i dont want to play any more)! The end of line means i will no longer shut up about this area of the game! Its an idea people would enjoy it a lot more if they didnt have to worry about skill points! The implants you all use probally is bad enough thing to lose but if you do forget to reclone then you lose the implants but the skill points should always remain with you you took the time to train them so they really have been earned! Not that i expect anything form you lot regarding being objective!@
For the love of god, PARAGRAPHS. Assuming you want anyone to actually read that.
Personally I would HATE to lose any skillpoints. So I make very very very sure never to ever ever ever leave a station without an updated clone. Never ever. Ships, mods, POs.... all that can be replaced. The skillpoints you can't buy back.
Clone prices were reduced in kali, but they're a large and necessary ISK sink. Deal with it.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Granmethedon III
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Citizen 223654
wts: paragraphs.
This.
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D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:04:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Caldari Citizen 223654
wts: paragraphs.
Sorry if you cant read to clever! lol
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D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:06:00 -
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I do deal with it! Like i said it is an area of the game i would personnally like to see improved dealing with it have done for as long as i have played this game chill guys it just food for thought!
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Caldari Citizen 223654
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: D CENT
Originally by: Caldari Citizen 223654
wts: paragraphs.
Sorry if you cant read to clever! lol
Who is clever and why can't I read to them?
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Sam442
Asshats and Alcoholics
Minuit.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:08:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Caldari Citizen 223654
Originally by: D CENT
Originally by: Caldari Citizen 223654
wts: paragraphs.
Sorry if you cant read to clever! lol
Who is clever and why can't I read to them?
maybe its magical clever, the tricks that he does are awfully trevor.
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:09:00 -
[19]
Originally by: D CENT
I do deal with it! Like i said it is an area of the game i would personnally like to see improved dealing with it have done for as long as i have played this game chill guys it just food for thought!
it's not a bug or a thing that needs "fixing". Clones are an intentional feature that are there for a reason.
And seriously, wall-o-text: it's not something people complain about just to look smart. It's really much harder to read than properly spaced text. It just makes you look like a ranting ephedrine addict.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
D CENT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:11:00 -
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lol forget it you guys arnt worth talking to lol
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Sam442
Asshats and Alcoholics
Minuit.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:12:00 -
[21]
Originally by: D CENT
lol forget it you guys arnt worth talking to lol
Can have stuffs noaw plx?
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Wayward Hooligan
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 06/12/2007 19:13:39
The skill point loss is necessary.
There are cloning services in outposts in 0.0
When you invade an enemies space you go and pop the cloning service.
After that, when you pod someone, their clone shows up in the outpost but they can't buy a new clone.
Hence they have a choice.
1 - Stay docked until the cloning service is repaired.
2 - Keep playing but run the risk of losing SP.
The attackers then have the options of:
1 - Bubble camp the station/system 23/7 and try to re-pod as many as possible.
2 - Bubble camp the the route to another station with cloning service in hopes of catching pods.
This dynamic forces people to be very organized in their approach to attacking and defending their space.
When the defenders undock carriers to remote rep the cloning service the attackers should have a snaked/poly/rogued/cloaking machariel in system ready to bump the carriers off.
The defenders need to be ready to drop a defense fleet on to the attackers if they try this.
Basically it adds an interesting and high stakes dynamic to 0.0 warfare.
Keep it. It doesn't affect empire carebears anyways because there are no bubble camps and station services can't be killed.
You lose SP in empire and its your own damned fault.
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WELP!
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loving it
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:14:00 -
[23]
way to much time is spent here. do u guys even play this game?
just wanted to know....
and yes i still think it sucks but hey i'm no ice queen i have a heart....
ohhhh more food for thought lol
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loving it
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Wayward Hooligan
Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 06/12/2007 19:13:39
The skill point loss is necessary.
There are cloning services in outposts in 0.0
When you invade an enemies space you go and pop the cloning service.
After that, when you pod someone, their clone shows up in the outpost but they can't buy a new clone.
Hence they have a choice.
1 - Stay docked until the cloning service is repaired.
2 - Keep playing but run the risk of losing SP.
The attackers then have the options of:
1 - Bubble camp the station/system 23/7 and try to re-pod as many as possible.
2 - Bubble camp the the route to another station with cloning service in hopes of catching pods.
This dynamic forces people to be very organized in their approach to attacking and defending their space.
When the defenders undock carriers to remote rep the cloning service the attackers should have a snaked/poly/rogued/cloaking machariel in system ready to bump the carriers off.
The defenders need to be ready to drop a defense fleet on to the attackers if they try this.
Basically it adds an interesting and high stakes dynamic to 0.0 warfare.
Keep it. It doesn't affect empire carebears anyways because there are no bubble camps and station services can't be killed.
You lose SP in empire and its your own damned fault.
wow paragraph
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Liam Liam
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:16:00 -
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I lost most of BS 5 ...
But I figured out must have happened a week before
and I must've bought the wrong clone
Cos I def had one
My mate lost too
His was a little different in that he was killed near station
A little lagged docked ..
checked to make sure no pod mail
left got in another ship got killed and podded
Then got two pod mails at the same time lost most of lvl 5 Battleship
It's bad luck and a little harsh but you just got to get on with it ...
It is a game after all.
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Sam442
Asshats and Alcoholics
Minuit.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:18:00 -
[26]
Originally by: loving it
Originally by: Wayward Hooligan
Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 06/12/2007 19:13:39
The skill point loss is necessary.
There are cloning services in outposts in 0.0
When you invade an enemies space you go and pop the cloning service.
After that, when you pod someone, their clone shows up in the outpost but they can't buy a new clone.
Hence they have a choice.
1 - Stay docked until the cloning service is repaired.
2 - Keep playing but run the risk of losing SP.
The attackers then have the options of:
1 - Bubble camp the station/system 23/7 and try to re-pod as many as possible.
2 - Bubble camp the the route to another station with cloning service in hopes of catching pods.
This dynamic forces people to be very organized in their approach to attacking and defending their space.
When the defenders undock carriers to remote rep the cloning service the attackers should have a snaked/poly/rogued/cloaking machariel in system ready to bump the carriers off.
The defenders need to be ready to drop a defense fleet on to the attackers if they try this.
Basically it adds an interesting and high stakes dynamic to 0.0 warfare.
Keep it. It doesn't affect empire carebears anyways because there are no bubble camps and station services can't be killed.
You lose SP in empire and its your own damned fault.
wow paragraph
12 of them..... or not, still, doesn't make my eyes bleed
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loving it
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:22:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Liam Liam
I lost most of BS 5 ...
But I figured out must have happened a week before
and I must've bought the wrong clone
Cos I def had one
My mate lost too
His was a little different in that he was killed near station
A little lagged docked ..
checked to make sure no pod mail
left got in another ship got killed and podded
Then got two pod mails at the same time lost most of lvl 5 Battleship
It's bad luck and a little harsh but you just got to get on with it ...
It is a game after all.
i would say all it does is add more frustration to the game its bad enough with whats happening today with all this mess up with the new up roar, without losing clones and stuff today is a no win situation for most 
and i for feel for the guys that this happens to....mistakes happen but at what a cost again harsh.... and for all you heartless people...stop being so cold and play the game.... but any ways i paid to play the game not sit here typing
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Atom HeartMother
The Unholy Crusaders
CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:54:00 -
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I lost a mill sp once, i absentmindedly changed my cloane to a staion with no cloning facilitys, got podded on the way to a new clone, quit the game for a year.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:54:00 -
[29]
Originally by: D CENT
Yeah agreed it was a very noob thing to do but running alts and stuff you just get mixed up! And yeah it was my fault but the point im trying to make is "is it necessary for the sp's to be taken" Ok understand the logic it takes a fair amount of time to train anything (agreed better than grinding a skill) but if you had to grind a certain amount of skill points to lvl up (other game ideas) would they take that from you cause you lost a pvp match no they wouldnt! Agreed it is not long and it hurts but you know it is the only game where you get sucker punched for trying to acheive something only to be pushed back but remeber something else even tho you can buy time cards with your isk you still spend a lot of time to get that isk which is again money you lose! Im not trying to get sympathy (again i bloody know its my fault lol) But the idea of this game is to train your ass of to fly that better ship and once you have acheived this then you lose that ability it kind of defeats the objective of your game! Im not going to belittle any of you but its a idea that i feal really needs looking into! I have only ever done it once b4 and to put it on paper so to speak i rejected the idea of clone jumps in the beginning and i havnt changed my mind even after 3 something years of playing this game (no this character isnt bought its created and will always remain with me no matter what even if i dont want to play any more)! The end of line means i will no longer shut up about this area of the game! Its an idea people would enjoy it a lot more if they didnt have to worry about skill points! The implants you all use probally is bad enough thing to lose but if you do forget to reclone then you lose the implants but the skill points should always remain with you you took the time to train them so they really have been earned! Not that i expect anything form you lot regarding being objective!@
there are some MMOs where you lose XP every time you die and yes, you can even lose levels.
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Ahro Thariori
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ahro Thariori on 06/12/2007 23:05:36
Edited by: Ahro Thariori on 06/12/2007 23:05:16
C'mon guys, it's not about other games nor is it about being too stupid to set your clone first thing in the "morning".
It is about game design. A good game "is a series of meaningful decisions". Is resetting your clone in Empire a meaningful decision? Are there pros and cons to it? No (please, dont tell me that it costs isk). So it's bad game design.
Clones in 0.0 is a completely different story though, as I we have learned today.
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dmosbarge1
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:01:00 -
[31]
The skillpoints you lose is half of your highest level skill or the difference between your clone's sp storage amount and your current sp, whichever is smaller. It has nothing to do with 5% of anything, and it has nothing to do with what you trained last. Beyond that:
Eve is a harsh world. For less penalties, go to WoW or any other MMO.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:19:00 -
[32]
Originally by: dmosbarge1
The skillpoints you lose is half of your highest level skill or the difference between your clone's sp storage amount and your current sp, whichever is smaller. It has nothing to do with 5% of anything, and it has nothing to do with what you trained last.:
It's 5% of the difference between what your clone covered and your current SP. This SP is taken from the skill with the most SP.
The loss is capped to 50% of the SP in that skill.
This was correct as of Revelations 1; whether they've changed it for Trinity, I haven't tested it yet.
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Implicatus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 06:52:00 -
[33]
another usefull thing to go with 'paragraphs' are 'periods' (i.e. ' . ')
Not! every! sentence! ends! with an excalmation mark!
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Helen
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:09:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Helen on 07/12/2007 11:10:44
Originally by: Wayward Hooligan
Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 06/12/2007 19:13:39
The skill point loss is necessary.
There are cloning services in outposts in 0.0
When you invade an enemies space you go and pop the cloning service.
After that, when you pod someone, their clone shows up in the outpost but they can't buy a new clone.
Hence they have a choice.
1 - Stay docked until the cloning service is repaired.
2 - Keep playing but run the risk of losing SP.
Actually this is wrong as you can be podded to a station (which you might of set as your death clone), and the cloning service be disabled however if you have a jump clone just jump to another station and et voila a way of updating your clone without staying docked or losing SP.
Also to the OP clones are fantastic way of giving someone a real bad time if they are stupid enough not to update their clone. Nothing makes me laugh more than people losing skillpoints because I podded them and they had a crap clone.
If only more people I podded owned up to it.
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Granmethedon III
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:17:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Helen
Edited by: Helen on 07/12/2007 11:10:44
Also to the OP clones are fantastic way of giving someone a real bad time if they are stupid enough not to update their clone. Nothing makes me laugh more than people losing skillpoints because I podded them and they had a crap clone.
If only more people I podded owned up to it.
This.
And hopefully it makes them quit too, the whining gits.
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Lindsai Muris
Minmatar
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:28:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Lindsai Muris on 07/12/2007 16:32:41
Be glad you only lost 1m.... Back in the day I lost a good friend who forgot to update their clone, got suicide ganked while moving bases and lost everything they owned and went from around 15m sp to 900k.... This game is not meant to be easy. And death should have a penalty... So to beat a dead horse... deal with it.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:33:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Lindsai Muris
Edited by: Lindsai Muris on 07/12/2007 16:32:41
Be glad you only lost 1m.... Back in the day I lost a good friend who forgot to update their clone, got suicide ganked while moving bases and lost everything they owned and went from around 15m sp to 900k.... This game is not meant to be easy. And death should have a penalty... So to beat a dead horse... deal with it.
Lies
there is no cake
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BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve [Now Verified] & Recruiting
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Dr Sco
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:06:00 -
[38]
Originally by: D CENT
lol forget it you guys arnt worth talking to lol
How are we not worth talking to? you posed a stupid question, we gave you answers that you didn't like, you tried to defend your question, and now you're mad.
Seriously, clones are around to be a leakage in the economy. Not having clones just leads to higher inflation. You have to choose which is more important to you, ISK or keeping skill points.
You talk about "I don't think I should lose 1M SP from being killed." Well then make a clone and learn from your mistakes. What were you doing anyway? were you missioning? PVPing? You said that you think losing your ship and equipment is a price thats high enough, CCP disagrees with you.
High Risk=High Rewards. If you're missioning or PVPing to get these rewards, then prepare to take the risk. You can hedge these risks by buying insurance and making sure that your clone is up to date. You knew what would happen if get killed (meaning you knew if bad things happened that the cost would be the ship, the equipment, and skill points), and you took that risk anyway.
Quit trying to blame the system for your own fault. You brought this upon yourself. If you want an experience where death dosen't have much of a penalty, go play WoW. Saying we're "not worth talking to" is like trying to say the IRS is bullying you after finding that you've been embezzling money and been committing tax evasion. You just don't like what we're saying, so you're ignoring us.
So take the 28 days, grow up, take responsibility for your actions, move on, and learn to to spell/use paragraphs.
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Granmethedon III
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:33:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Dr Sco
Originally by: D CENT
lol forget it you guys arnt worth talking to lol
How are we not worth talking to? you posed a stupid question, we gave you answers that you didn't like, you tried to defend your question, and now you're mad.
Seriously, clones are around to be a leakage in the economy. Not having clones just leads to higher inflation. You have to choose which is more important to you, ISK or keeping skill points.
You talk about "I don't think I should lose 1M SP from being killed." Well then make a clone and learn from your mistakes. What were you doing anyway? were you missioning? PVPing? You said that you think losing your ship and equipment is a price thats high enough, CCP disagrees with you.
High Risk=High Rewards. If you're missioning or PVPing to get these rewards, then prepare to take the risk. You can hedge these risks by buying insurance and making sure that your clone is up to date. You knew what would happen if get killed (meaning you knew if bad things happened that the cost would be the ship, the equipment, and skill points), and you took that risk anyway.
Quit trying to blame the system for your own fault. You brought this upon yourself. If you want an experience where death dosen't have much of a penalty, go play WoW. Saying we're "not worth talking to" is like trying to say the IRS is bullying you after finding that you've been embezzling money and been committing tax evasion. You just don't like what we're saying, so you're ignoring us.
So take the 28 days, grow up, take responsibility for your actions, move on, and learn to to spell/use paragraphs.
pwnt.
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Rainoer
Amarr
Esoteria Liberation Front
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Posted - 2007.12.07 22:11:00 -
[40]
I lost a month of training also because of carelessness it was so ****ed about losing my expensive ship the way I did, that I promtly went out an lost another one and had no clone because I let my anger cloud my judgement. An expensive lesson at least a month of training and income down the drain in 10 minutes.
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Jaabaa Prime
Quam Singulari
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 01:21:00 -
[41]
Originally by: D CENT
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i forgot to reclone my self
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Fed up lol to much stress!
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Bye, and I don't want your stuff, just pass away gracefully considering your mastery of punctuation.
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Wayward Hooligan
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.08 03:48:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Helen
Edited by: Helen on 07/12/2007 11:10:44
Originally by: Wayward Hooligan
Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 06/12/2007 19:13:39
The skill point loss is necessary.
There are cloning services in outposts in 0.0
When you invade an enemies space you go and pop the cloning service.
After that, when you pod someone, their clone shows up in the outpost but they can't buy a new clone.
Hence they have a choice.
1 - Stay docked until the cloning service is repaired.
2 - Keep playing but run the risk of losing SP.
Actually this is wrong as you can be podded to a station (which you might of set as your death clone), and the cloning service be disabled however if you have a jump clone just jump to another station and et voila a way of updating your clone without staying docked or losing SP.
Also to the OP clones are fantastic way of giving someone a real bad time if they are stupid enough not to update their clone. Nothing makes me laugh more than people losing skillpoints because I podded them and they had a crap clone.
If only more people I podded owned up to it.
True. I didn't cover the topic extensively. I just wanted to point out that losing sp for being podded without a clone is a factor in wars and should not be removed.
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.08 04:26:00 -
[43]
That sucks.
1 mil sp, how many sp do you have?
I think you lose %5 of your highest trained skill.
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Verlaine Glariant
Knights of the Flame
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.08 04:29:00 -
[44]
Originally by: D CENT
fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self
This.
The rest is completely irrelevant.
Verlaine Glariant. Tactical Weapons Specialist.
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Psorion
The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.12.08 14:29:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Wayward Hooligan
Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 06/12/2007 19:13:39
The skill point loss is necessary.
There are cloning services in outposts in 0.0
When you invade an enemies space you go and pop the cloning service.
After that, when you pod someone, their clone shows up in the outpost but they can't buy a new clone.
Hence they have a choice.
1 - Stay docked until the cloning service is repaired.
2 - Keep playing but run the risk of losing SP.
The attackers then have the options of:
1 - Bubble camp the station/system 23/7 and try to re-pod as many as possible.
2 - Bubble camp the the route to another station with cloning service in hopes of catching pods.
This dynamic forces people to be very organized in their approach to attacking and defending their space.
When the defenders undock carriers to remote rep the cloning service the attackers should have a snaked/poly/rogued/cloaking machariel in system ready to bump the carriers off.
The defenders need to be ready to drop a defense fleet on to the attackers if they try this.
Basically it adds an interesting and high stakes dynamic to 0.0 warfare.
Keep it. It doesn't affect empire carebears anyways because there are no bubble camps and station services can't be killed.
You lose SP in empire and its your own damned fault.
YaaR!
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:35:00 -
[46]
Admittedly...I've done it. 3 times. Once on each of my accounts lol. I'll never make that mistake again. I still retrained all the skills, and I payed for it, and I didn't complain, because it was my fault to begin with. As long as you're not absent minded and forget (not insulting you, like I said, I did it too) you'll be fine. There's no need to change it.
Can I have your stuff?
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Riho
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:42:00 -
[47]
first: OP learn to ******* type.. use enter key and punctuation sometimes. its very hard to read anything u write
secon: sadly its your own fault you lost sp :(
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moumou78
Soulbound.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:37:00 -
[48]
I sympathise with you mate. Although this has never happened to me personally, I do agree that it's alittle bit over the top to lose so much SP. As a matter of fact, the whole idea of paying for updated clones is beyond me. It's already an annoyance to lose implants once podded, why on earth do u have to update clones??
I think people have just got used to the idea of clone upgrades. People will go on a RIOT if they didn't have to do it at the start of the game and CCP tried to introduce it now, just think about it :)
Just a few months ago, CCP was quite happy to upgrade peoples clones as a bribe when they increased the inital starter Skill Point, and yes it was a bribe 
So.... Im for a complete removal of this clone upgrade crap, cos from past experience the game makers have already by passed it and upgraded people for free.
Cheers
moumou
Soulbound.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2007.12.09 03:01:00 -
[49]
If you're not going to make the effort to make your posts legible, I'm not going to make the effort to read them.
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Originally by: "Cyberus"
cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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Danzig256k
Caldari
Mortal Devastating Kin
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:07:00 -
[50]
pretty noob mistake for a char that is over 3 years old man, and it wouldn't of killed ya to use a period or 2 in the post.
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Zelmor
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Posted - 2007.12.09 17:38:00 -
[51]
Thy fate sucketh. All there is to say.
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Levethian Maar
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Posted - 2007.12.09 22:00:00 -
[52]
Who cares if he made a mistake or not. The point being, Why on earth should we have to update clones. There is no reason to lose soo much Skilk Points. Everyone jumps to the "You such a noob" insults, but the man got a valid point. It's a game mechanic that ought to be changed, it's useless.
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Jaabaa Prime
Quam Singulari
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 22:08:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Levethian Maar
It's a game mechanic that ought to be changed, it's useless.
Next thing we'll hear is ship insurance and ship loss is useless and that your ship with all fittings and loot should be at your clone station even if you don't get podded.
Some people just don't understand that EVE is a hard game, where losses hurt. It never has been, and hopefully never will be anything else.
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.12.09 23:06:00 -
[54]
Edited by: EvilSpork on 09/12/2007 23:06:47
Originally by: Karasuma Akane
Originally by: D CENT
I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)!
It's your own fault. If you don't purchase an updated clone after death, you will lose skillpoints upon the next squishing. It's widely advised that the very first action you should take after being killed and reappearing in-station is to purchase your updated medical clone.
p.s. can i have your stuff?
what he said.
you messed up. learn from it.
and as a matter of fact i was just put back 3 weeks due to the same thing. i lagged, get popped and podded. i lost a lvl 5 skill.
guess how often i leave a station without an upgraded clone now?
quite whining about YOUR mistake and give me your stuff
Originally by: Implicatus
another usefull thing to go with 'paragraphs' are 'periods' (i.e. ' . ')
Not! every! sentence! ends! with an excalmation mark!
this too. no more walls of text ffs
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Kaathar Rielspar
Minmatar
Universal Exports
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Posted - 2007.12.10 03:22:00 -
[55]
hey, it could be worse you might have had to retrain battleship 5 like a corp mate of mine did...
twice 
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.10 03:28:00 -
[56]
I got to admit that is actually pretty harsh
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Ziggy Smalls
Department of Defence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 04:33:00 -
[57]
Originally by: D CENT
Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)! Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill! Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4 is this normal i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods dosnt that cost enough and people wonder why people by isk lol! I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top! Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone you have trained that skill it has taken long enough and the more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the games enconomics to just end that right now surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game! Fed up lol to much stress!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *cough cough*
*gasp* sorry, ok, I just.....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It is SO easy to avoid this, GG being lazy and cheap, now you paid for it. Hey, next why don't you buy a dread and fly it around 0.0 solo in enemy territory with no insurance! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
-Ziggy
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.10 05:07:00 -
[58]
Ok either this post is a just total random troll or actually IS true.
Now, this is a common game mechanic that has been in there since as far as i know the game has existed (longer than ive played). So having said that, maybe you forgot to do the tutorial? In it being pod killed is actually covered. You have no excuse.
So now either suck it up and retrain it or quit. Either way it won't make a damn bit of difference to anyone in this game becuase if you
A. suck it up and retrain it, you will end up being a much better player
or
B. You quit, in which case its one less whineass in game and a huge bonus to the rest of the remaining intelligent population.
We do however care about your useless and complete waste of forum space.
I revoke your Internet license.
Please douse your computer and or self in gasoline and ignite. This "internet" thing is apparently to hard for you.
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Rudius
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Posted - 2007.12.10 06:20:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Rudius on 10/12/2007 06:21:48
Originally by: Levethian Maar
Who cares if he made a mistake or not. The point being, Why on earth should we have to update clones. There is no reason to lose soo much Skilk Points. Everyone jumps to the "You such a noob" insults, but the man got a valid point. It's a game mechanic that ought to be changed, it's useless.
Because some of us play this game for the risk factor, for the chills you get when you enter hull and don't know if you can make it, or the special moment you jump into a gate camp.
If it were WoW style and i would not risk anything i would just stand there and take it and smile and run back to get the corpse and gear and run on. But here i know if i don't make it ill lose 500mil or more... and thats why eve is the best... Every time you undock you risk loosing something and the same goes for the clone...
I know a tale back from EQ1. Where this guy had a binding spot (respawn point) at the entrance into a zone and then went AFK. Each time you died you lost 10% of a lvl. He got trained (mobs running after someone else got to the entrance) and got repeatedly killed at the entrance each time he respawned after being killed. After a few hours he went from lvl 50 to some lowish lvl. Now that a is a "I quit this game moment"... 1 mil SP is nothing compared to that. 
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Dr Sco
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Posted - 2007.12.10 07:02:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Levethian Maar
Who cares if he made a mistake or not. The point being, Why on earth should we have to update clones. There is no reason to lose soo much Skilk Points. Everyone jumps to the "You such a noob" insults, but the man got a valid point. It's a game mechanic that ought to be changed, it's useless.
How is it useless? It has a very good use. It's designed to be a leakage in the economy. It's a measure to battle inflation. And to insure the leakage is used, they make not using it be a very stiff penalty.
Think about it for story reasons. maybe they have to work harder on higher up clones to make the brain be able to remember everything. maybe cloning isn't perfect.
Maybe you think that we should just have 1 body, and when we die we have to start a brand new character. They're being nice enough to even allow clones in the first point.
It's not like this is a game breaking issue where there is an imbalance between ships and characters. It's about you guys not liking a game mechanic and whining about it. If I went to the WoW boards and said "I don't like durability damage for dying, it's a game mechanic that should be changed!" I'd get laughed out of the boards.
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moumou78
Soulbound.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 10:39:00 -
[61]
Well, I always wondered why u have to pay for a new clone everytime you die. Why isn't the contract with the cloning facility to pay for a clone lvl and for the facility to provide u with the same lvl everytime. Example:
I purchase a clone for 10mil SP. I get podded and I'm back to station and the cloning facility provides me with a 10mil SP clone again, simple. My contract with them is so that I dont pay for a SINGLE clone but for the service of getting a clone.
At the moment, you pay for a single upgrade eveytime, fair enough but it only leads to incidents like D Cent had...people forget, and bam lose points! and please before we all jump on the "This is a harsh game, go play WoW instead" I believe the guy has got a valid point. If this is such a HARSH game why did CCP increase the skillpoint entry lvl for starting players? keep it harsh, let em start from zero I say
Anyways
my 2 isks worth
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Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:32:00 -
[62]
Originally by: D CENT
Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me!
Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)!
Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill!
Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this.
Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4?
Is this normal? i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken, so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods? dosnt that cost enough? People wonder why people by isk lol!
I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway, but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top!
Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone. You have trained that skill it has taken long enough. The more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the game's enconomics to just end that right now. Surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game!
Fed up lol to much stress!
Alright fixed. I didn't edit spelling or repair sentence structure. I also didn't fix all your punctuation. If I wasn't bored at work, I wouldn't have taken the 3 minutes to edit your post.
I hope English isn't your first language.
Oh btw, don't forget to update your clone.
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Lusian
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Posted - 2007.12.10 23:14:00 -
[63]
At one point i have lost 2 1\2 of skill training because no one told me the extent of wich the jump clones were good for. plus i lost point to wic clone i was useing.
But know one or not enough people knew. So i lost almost 3 momnts of skill training.
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Lusian
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Posted - 2007.12.10 23:15:00 -
[64]
So don't feel so bad.
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hellsknights
RennTech
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.11 05:05:00 -
[65]
Originally by: D CENT
Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)! Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill! Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4 is this normal i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods dosnt that cost enough and people wonder why people by isk lol! I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top! Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone you have trained that skill it has taken long enough and the more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the games enconomics to just end that right now surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game! Fed up lol to much stress!
Would it hurt you to make some paragraphs? Your block of text is painfull to read.
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Sinfulldelight
Gallente
Templar Republic
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.11 06:32:00 -
[66]
Well i am sure your notthe only one that has done it. I my self have forgot to update my clone right after death and lost sp.. But to stop playing becuse of your owen mistake is kinda... well you get the point =)
Just suck it up and set the skill and go kill something =)
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:22:00 -
[67]
/train Empathy to lvl 1
/Boohoo
/wipe eyes with T2 Cleanex
/buy new clone
/resume playing
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Originally by: Paper
Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Disintegrator's Slave
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:44:00 -
[68]
Originally by: moumou78
Well, I always wondered why u have to pay for a new clone everytime you die. Why isn't the contract with the cloning facility to pay for a clone lvl and for the facility to provide u with the same lvl everytime. Example:
I purchase a clone for 10mil SP. I get podded and I'm back to station and the cloning facility provides me with a 10mil SP clone again, simple. My contract with them is so that I dont pay for a SINGLE clone but for the service of getting a clone.
At the moment, you pay for a single upgrade eveytime, fair enough but it only leads to incidents like D Cent had...people forget, and bam lose points! and please before we all jump on the "This is a harsh game, go play WoW instead" I believe the guy has got a valid point. If this is such a HARSH game why did CCP increase the skillpoint entry lvl for starting players? keep it harsh, let em start from zero I say
Anyways
my 2 isks worth
You obviously didn't get the point why you need to update clone.
If it will be free, i'll be travellin' through eve in pod without implants and without need of anything. If someone pods me?
Why bother, i get new pod and i don't need anything for it.
Why i can't undock in 0.0 everytime only to check if they are there and not loosing anything?
It's not the right way ...
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
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Posted - 2007.12.11 18:15:00 -
[69]
Originally by: D CENT
Yeah agreed it was a very noob thing to do but running alts and stuff you just get mixed up! And yeah it was my fault but the point im trying to make is "is it necessary for the sp's to be taken" Ok understand the logic it takes a fair amount of time to train anything (agreed better than grinding a skill) but if you had to grind a certain amount of skill points to lvl up (other game ideas) would they take that from you cause you lost a pvp match no they wouldnt! Agreed it is not long and it hurts but you know it is the only game where you get sucker punched for trying to acheive something only to be pushed back but remeber something else even tho you can buy time cards with your isk you still spend a lot of time to get that isk which is again money you lose! Im not trying to get sympathy (again i bloody know its my fault lol) But the idea of this game is to train your ass of to fly that better ship and once you have acheived this then you lose that ability it kind of defeats the objective of your game! Im not going to belittle any of you but its a idea that i feal really needs looking into! I have only ever done it once b4 and to put it on paper so to speak i rejected the idea of clone jumps in the beginning and i havnt changed my mind even after 3 something years of playing this game (no this character isnt bought its created and will always remain with me no matter what even if i dont want to play any more)! The end of line means i will no longer shut up about this area of the game! Its an idea people would enjoy it a lot more if they didnt have to worry about skill points! The implants you all use probally is bad enough thing to lose but if you do forget to reclone then you lose the implants but the skill points should always remain with you you took the time to train them so they really have been earned! Not that i expect anything form you lot regarding being objective!@
My eyes! OMG my eyes! I'm blind!
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Jormungand Altruis
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.11 20:38:00 -
[70]
Originally by: D CENT
but if you had to grind a certain amount of skill points to lvl up (other game ideas) would they take that from you cause you lost a pvp match no they wouldnt!
Actually...
Yes, they would.
Death penalties are a fact of life in MMORPGs. At least in EVE you can pay up to avoid the SP loss.
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Zerge Bacon
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.11 23:37:00 -
[71]
I was once on the verge of a massive battle, over 200 people involved when someone randomly said to check clones before the jump in. I was so effing lucky they said that, when I checked I almost $**t my pants. I have lost sp like that before, it was something around 15-20 days of training...Very sad indeed, made me quit eve for a couple months. But I came back and learned my lesson. Obviously not well enough though.
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2007.12.18 11:14:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Jormungand Altruis
Originally by: D CENT
but if you had to grind a certain amount of skill points to lvl up (other game ideas) would they take that from you cause you lost a pvp match no they wouldnt!
Actually...
Yes, they would.
Death penalties are a fact of life in MMORPGs. At least in EVE you can pay up to avoid the SP loss.
Only in some MMORPGs... in others it's just a small annoying time-sink.
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Originally by: Paper
Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Mox Kaleb
Caldari
Omega Point Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.18 12:16:00 -
[73]
To be considered 'food for thought', or a 'point of debate', any whine on the forums needs to be something we see day in day out, repeated again and again by members of our illustrious population.
Unfortunately I can't remember the last time I saw someone whining about losing skill points after forgetting to re-clone. In a previous incarnation, back in 2004, I did much the same thing - meant I couldn't fly my Iteron V's for a while. I got over it. Everyone does.
Frankly your comments were rendered moot when you stated the following - "fact one:- i forgot to reclone myself (doh)!"
Its all about consequences.
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Ressarus
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.18 12:19:00 -
[74]
ah, c'mon, i know some one who lost 3.5mil SP at once. and he is still playing this game and owning other ppl.
lose of 1 mil SP is Not the lose of anything. and it is Not EVE's End. just go to walk and drink a lot with your friends. forget about EVE for few days. problem will be solved
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Z Cobra
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Posted - 2007.12.18 12:40:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Z Cobra on 18/12/2007 12:41:26
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Levethian Maar
It's a game mechanic that ought to be changed, it's useless.
Next thing we'll hear is ship insurance and ship loss is useless and that your ship with all fittings and loot should be at your clone station even if you don't get podded.
Some people just don't understand that EVE is a hard game, where losses hurt. It never has been, and hopefully never will be anything else.
Quite often ship insurance is useless as the insurance cover does not in most cases even get close to covering the cost of the ship. Would like to see changes in the way insurance is done and the addition of ship contents cover added to the game. Getting rid of insurance, I don't see as an option as the more things you remove from the game the easier and more pointless it is. Eve seems to model itself as a futuristic RL kind of game where your choices affect the outcome. One of my characters is sat in a station in empire this last week because he spent too much on things he did not really need yet. Could not afford anything more than basic insurance for his Raven and there's a war on (does not want to spend weeks mining to be able to afford to replace it), but that's my choice.
As for the op's post, getting rid of upgraded clones is not a good idea. The reason there is upgraded clones as I see it, is that choosing a grade of clone is like choosing the degree of life cover (in RL), you pay your money and take your chances. To get rid of clone upgrades would help devalve the game rather than enhance it.
Eve is a game that keeps the more mature players (IMO) it's not a care free your choices have no consequences type of WoW game.
I've only played this game for nearly a year and only probably know about 25% of it, which does not make me an expert but I do consider what I've written here to be a fair assessment.
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Vorlasha
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:59:00 -
[76]
I personally would like to see clone be a service, not a one time thing. Buy a lot of 10 clones for said price. It then notifies you when you are getting low... Like eggs in the refrigerator. Hell, increase the cost, or make it a weekly expenditure recurring like a subscription. For the most part, I think that the main issue is that people don't use it often enough that they forget they need to keep an eye on it. I've had this clone for well over a year, if I got podded tomorrow, I'd probably forget as well.
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Sin Talon
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vorlasha
I personally would like to see clone be a service, not a one time thing. Buy a lot of 10 clones for said price. It then notifies you when you are getting low... Like eggs in the refrigerator. Hell, increase the cost, or make it a weekly expenditure recurring like a subscription. For the most part, I think that the main issue is that people don't use it often enough that they forget they need to keep an eye on it. I've had this clone for well over a year, if I got podded tomorrow, I'd probably forget as well.
There really is no reason to forget, everytime I look at a skill I can see how much sp I have and how much sp my clone covers. And for your clone to be covering less sp than you have, you either have just finished training a long skill or you have switched training to another skill, either way you can see at a glance if your clone covers your sp. Either way you can upgrade your clone before it can't cover the additional sp. So there is no real excuse for forgetting to do something about it.
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J909
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:13:00 -
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I feel for ya mate, i would be gutted and my corp mates would laugh there arses off, happened to me a few times in the first year of the game and i learnt my lesson.
Im afraid to say its a hard lesson to learn...
and thats exactly what it is a "hard lesson"
bet you dont forget again
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:21:00 -
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This thread was better left dead.
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Originally by: "Cyberus"
cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.19 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: moumou78
Well, I always wondered why u have to pay for a new clone everytime you die. Why isn't the contract with the cloning facility to pay for a clone lvl and for the facility to provide u with the same lvl everytime. Example:
I purchase a clone for 10mil SP. I get podded and I'm back to station and the cloning facility provides me with a 10mil SP clone again, simple. My contract with them is so that I dont pay for a SINGLE clone but for the service of getting a clone.
At the moment, you pay for a single upgrade eveytime, fair enough but it only leads to incidents like D Cent had...people forget, and bam lose points! and please before we all jump on the "This is a harsh game, go play WoW instead" I believe the guy has got a valid point. If this is such a HARSH game why did CCP increase the skillpoint entry lvl for starting players? keep it harsh, let em start from zero I say
Anyways
my 2 isks worth
I started with less than 100k (I think it was about 60k, can't recall exactly). Never lost a single SP due to not updating my clone. I don't get podded that often, but why take a chance?
As for the why "u" have to pay each time... er because you're using a new clone each time, perhaps?
Kind of like you can't pay McD's for the "service" of providing a consumable. You have to pay every time you want another burger.
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Caldari
Panthera Joint Ops
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Posted - 2007.12.19 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: dmosbarge1
The skillpoints you lose is half of your highest level skill or the difference between your clone's sp storage amount and your current sp, whichever is smaller. It has nothing to do with 5% of anything, and it has nothing to do with what you trained last. Beyond that:
Eve is a harsh world. For less penalties, go to WoW or any other MMO.
Well said
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MellaRinn
Gallente
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.19 07:10:00 -
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Edited by: MellaRinn on 19/12/2007 07:12:01
I had over 860k SP taken from my gallente battleship 5 upon podding once. It was my fault for letting my mate pod me back to base without remembering to check my clone's status. I swallowed it and trained gal bs 5 again. If you can't handle this loss, then eve is not a game for you.
Also, please use punctuation in your posts - it is difficult to read them otherwise!
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Spaz Twit
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Posted - 2007.12.19 17:52:00 -
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Hmm, this game might be more your style... http://www.sanriotown.com/onlinegame/
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Originally by: D CENT
Ok b4 you all start! I believe this is now the end of the line for me! Ok fact one:- i forgot to reclone my self (doh)! Fact two:- Over a million skill points was taken from a very important skill! Fact three:- it will now take over 25 days (plus one months payment) to rectifie this Has any one had that amount of skillpoints taken from them b4 is this normal i have had this happen once b4 but im sure it wasnt that many sp's taken so what is this based on and isnt it enough that in losing your ship and mods dosnt that cost enough and people wonder why people by isk lol! I just feel that we pay for this game cause we love it and we would play it anyway but the need to retrain a skill you took ages training anyway is just a little over the top! Get rid of this need to keep buying a clone you have trained that skill it has taken long enough and the more sp's you get the more you pay would it really effect the games enconomics to just end that right now surely it wouldnt defeatr the object of the game! Fed up lol to much stress!
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WardogX
Outkasts
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Posted - 2007.12.19 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: WardogX on 19/12/2007 18:18:23
It sucks that it happened but you only lost 1 month or less worth of training time. Its not the end of the world it would be worse to throw ALL your character away for a 1 month mistake.
To put this another way.. you take losses in ALL mmo's. Even in games like WoW you could grind for months for some great gear then a new patch or expansion comes out that makes it suck.
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar
Quam Singulari
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.19 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lusian
At one point i have lost 2 1\2 of skill training because no one told me the extent of wich the jump clones were good for. plus i lost point to wic clone i was useing.
HUH ?
Originally by: Lusian
But know one or not enough people knew. So i lost almost 3 momnts of skill training.
If you lost almost 3 months for training, then it has to be something like Titan 5, because AFAIK, skill point loss only hits one skill.
And, to add fat to the fire, I'm not sure if CCP has changed it, but clones only used to give a percentage coverage, i.e. there is (was?) still always a chance that SPs can (could?) still be lost even if your clone is up to date.
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Chelone
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Posted - 2007.12.19 22:37:00 -
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So instead of YOUR mistake costing you a month of training, you'll choose to have it cost you your entire character. Brilliant solution.
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