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Talla Hurzin	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:06:00 - [1] Please CCP, with the huge bugs in POS mechanics, like 0 second ROF on some dreads, the fact cynnojammers don't work, and billions of isk lost due to various other POS bugs, can you PLEASE initiate a 48 hour rollback, back to when the patch was just deployed? I don't own or operate any POS's, but I can see there's potential for huge amounts of exploitation, maybe more than GMs can handle. A rollback might be the only way to reverse the consequences of such massive, critical, widespread bugs.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:09:00 - [2] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/12/2007 03:08:55 Ok, just installing a patch they created kills the OS, and you want them to try to rollback one of the biggest gaming servers in the world? I mean, I <3 CCP and all, but, god, run away. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Talla Hurzin	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/12/2007 03:08:55 Ok, just installing a patch they created kills the OS, and you want them to try to rollback one of the biggest gaming servers in the world? I mean, I <3 CCP and all, but, god, run away. As it stands now there are bugs in the system that can be responsible for the loss of billions of isk in POS assets. There exists an unprecedented chance for massive, wide-scale exploitation of these bugs, and there already have been reports of people taking advantage of these game-breaking bugs. I'll say this again: I don't own any POS's, I don't operate any, I'm not at war with anyone that does have a POS network, but I can still see there's huge problem for the people that do have POS's. Reimbursement might not be enough in this case, and there's a pretty good chance the GMs are going ot be completely swamped. A rollback might be the only way to reverse the harm these bugs have caused.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:15:00 - [4] With a rollback is it possible my computer will be sucked back up the connection chord and talk to me via the monitor? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Cygnus Zhada Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:15:00 - [5] yes, I'm actually amazed at how all the POS related fekups actually happened... bring on the tinfoil hattery. ------------ We didn't want that boot.ini anyway.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Talla Hurzin Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/12/2007 03:08:55 Ok, just installing a patch they created kills the OS, and you want them to try to rollback one of the biggest gaming servers in the world? I mean, I <3 CCP and all, but, god, run away. As it stands now there are bugs in the system that can be responsible for the loss of billions of isk in POS assets. There exists an unprecedented chance for massive, wide-scale exploitation of these bugs, and there already have been reports of people taking advantage of these game-breaking bugs. I'll say this again: I don't own any POS's, I don't operate any, I'm not at war with anyone that does have a POS network, but I can still see there's huge problem for the people that do have POS's. Reimbursement might not be enough in this case, and there's a pretty good chance the GMs are going ot be completely swamped. A rollback might be the only way to reverse the harm these bugs have caused. I, eh, was joking, ya? - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Talla Hurzin	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Crumplecorn I, eh, was joking, ya? Joke ------- My head --------
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:19:00 - [8] are you going to compensate that vast majority of players who arent affected by any pos glitches for their training time? Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Cygnus Zhada Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:20:00 - [9] If you're in a 0.0 corp and/or your corp has POSes you can/will be affected by these problems. ------------ We didn't want that boot.ini anyway.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:23:00 - [10] were you TRYING to walk into this one? so the 91% of the players who AREN'T in 0.0 then, how will you refund our skill training time Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Talla Hurzin	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Tortun Nahme were you TRYING to walk into this one? so the 91% of the players who AREN'T in 0.0 then, how will you refund our skill training time It's not just people in 0.0. Hhigh security research POS's and moon mineral mining networkds are also severely affected by a number of bugs, such as them not having any sheilds, or the fact that silos and production modules are now completely broken due renaming issues. high sec POS owners are affected by these bugs just as much as 0.0 POS ownders.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:32:00 - [12] but again, minority Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Lincoln Armm	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:32:00 - [13] Its much better to deal with the cases individually then rolling back the server (Which is almost certainly technically impossible).
B1G DAVE Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:32:00 - [14] Errr....no thanks. ___________________________________________ ✖ Our Home, Our Corp, Our VETO ✖
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:39:00 - [15] I hate to say it, but the original poster is correct. If player owned structures are as adversely affected as I'm hearing, then they have no real choice but to do something. These POSes are worth billions of isk, and have an effect on all of us. -Karl
Joss Sparq Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:40:00 - [16] We've seen various POS/Dread bugs, implants being destroyed all over the place and the entire BOOT.ini fiasco is still going on. I have made a fair amount of ISK in the last 24 hrs, but even I wouldn't be wholly opposed to a roll-back before too much time passes.
corporal hicks Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.12.07 04:01:00 - [17] well cyno jammers prevent cap ships jumping in and everyone in the right mind that plays this game knows dreads dont have 0 rof. Reality is a small percentage of people who are using this screw up in mechanics to get ahead or cause as much hardship as possible. You know the dreads are broken ( Dont use them ) You know the cyno jammers are broken (dont bring the cap fleet) You know POS are borked (Dont attack them) If the small majority of the playerbase used there heads for afew secs they would realise all there doing by abusing the broken game mechanics is causing even more work for a sure to be over worked dev team and if it continues CCP will have no option but to do a rollback to Replace all the pos destroyed/ soverenty lost ect. " Stay Frosty "
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.07 04:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Talla Hurzin Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/12/2007 03:08:55 Ok, just installing a patch they created kills the OS, and you want them to try to rollback one of the biggest gaming servers in the world? I mean, I <3 CCP and all, but, god, run away. As it stands now there are bugs in the system that can be responsible for the loss of billions of isk in POS assets. In before the fanbois tell you to sell some GTCs ... "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:03:00 - [19] Edited by: Mecinia Lua on 07/12/2007 11:03:36 This worries me..... Edit: The POS thing....I'd be fine with a rollback if needed.... Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:12:00 - [20] I don't see that a roll-back is required. Anyone who abuses the current bugs is likely to get banned, and that is what the exploit section of the petition system is for. That, I would hope, would be enough to make people reconsider exploiting the current bugs. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Avon I don't see that a roll-back is required. Anyone who abuses the current bugs is likely to get banned, and that is what the exploit section of the petition system is for. That, I would hope, would be enough to make people reconsider exploiting the current bugs. I support a rollback, have been spending the last few hours fixing my POS but I don't have any at all compared to the big alliances. I suppose people will be angry by my stance but I stay by it, the amount of bugs astounds me and we shouldn't realy be playing in something where the fundamentals are mixed up so much. Where does T2 materials come from, it will inflate T2 prices if moon miners and reaction POS are steamrolled by people, it is happening. Rate my charecters please, updated so need 3 more, 2M isk for each good review
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:21:00 - [22] Originally by: Kirjava Where does T2 materials come from, it will inflate T2 prices if moon miners and reaction POS are steamrolled by people, it is happening. The people doing it will get banned, and the people who lose stuff will have it replaced. A roll-back punishes everyone, where as petitioning only punishes those who abuse the system. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:24:00 - [23] I'm with Avon on this. Petitions, not roll-backs are the way to go. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Kirjava Where does T2 materials come from, it will inflate T2 prices if moon miners and reaction POS are steamrolled by people, it is happening. The people doing it will get banned, and the people who lose stuff will have it replaced. A roll-back punishes everyone, where as petitioning only punishes those who abuse the system. From past experience they'll only replace the destroyed stuff not the stolen stuff though. And in game I hear it is not being reported who attacked your POS, which kinda sucks..... Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:25:00 - [25] Originally by: Karlemgne These POSes are worth billions of isk, and have an effect on all of us. -Karl Billions? You are joking! A single large faction pos alone costs around 1 bil! Not to mention faction defence modules. I would say the damage could go into hundreds of billions, maybe even a trillion!
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:26:00 - [26] Originally by: Avon The people doing it will get banned, and the people who lose stuff will have it replaced. A roll-back punishes everyone, where as petitioning only punishes those who abuse the system. I hope everyone doing it gets banned does get banned, but the problem is I suspect CCP will throw POS modules into local stations as opposed to setting them up, I am unsure whether they would give back the fuel and reaction materials as Dread gangs would probably loot them..... Seriously it takes 8 hours or so to get a tower online, I did 4 at a time and it took me 10 so getting people motivated to redeploy the things would be very, very hard. Rate my charecters please, updated so need 3 more, 2M isk for each good review
General StarScream THE DECEPTIC0NS	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:26:00 - [27] lol they wont be banned, its a game feture not a bug Sig Removed. Dont use inappropriate language in sigs -Kaemonn
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:31:00 - [28] I would rather have CCP ban those that does not realize that they have a responsibility to play within the constraints of the game mechanics, EVEN when the mechanics are broken due to bugs. This is hopefully no kindergarten. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Kiyirari Sick and Twisted	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Cygnus Zhada If you're in a 0.0 corp and/or your corp has POSes you can/will be affected by these problems. I'm sure this will please BoB or even the Goons and co in the great war Revenge is my god and my guns are her angels
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Kirjava So would using the bug against exploiters using the same bug against you(ie self deffence) be bannable? Imho? Yes. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure

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