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Elohe GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:39:00 - [31] a rollback would set a bad precedent in future issues, so it should be avoided at all cost. Im sure ccp database and some calculations are more than enought to correct any kind of xpliods during these days. but then who knows what could happen...

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:40:00 - [32] Filing a petition in these cases is the proper method of recourse. We're looking into the problems currently experienced by POS's and we need as much information that we can get, from the players.

Minmatar Citizen 4521577	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:40:00 - [33] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Karlemgne These POSes are worth billions of isk, and have an effect on all of us. -Karl Billions? You are joking! A single large faction pos alone costs around 1 bil! Not to mention faction defence modules. I would say the damage could go into hundreds of billions, maybe even a trillion! Over here a billion is 1,000,000,000,000 American billions are puny :)
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:41:00 - [34] It would be great if CCP were more pro-active in preventing this sort of thing instead of a wait-petition, and with the bugs in this patch it will be a month, by which time a GM won't be able to do anything anyway... come on lets remove some of the load on the GMs by preventing issues BEFORE they get to the petition stage. I've submitted about 5 petitions in 4 years, and have already had to do 4 in the last day, and that's not due to being exploit attacked or anything like that yet :o
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:43:00 - [35] Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 4521577 Over here a billion is 1,000,000,000,000 American billions are puny :) True, but changing conventions is towards bill being 1000 mill and trill being 1000 bill as opposed to Imperial longhand 1 Bill = 1 million million. If America did this, my hats off to them but me suspects it was the French. Rate my charecters please, updated so need 3 more, 2M isk for each good review
Chavu Ganja Labs Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:46:00 - [36] No one would have liked it, but CCP should've immediately pulled down the servers when they were aware of this potentially alliance crippling bug. Cynojammers down and insta-POS-killing dreadnaughts completely break the game. But instead CCP let the servers go on and now have a big mess on their hands and will be spending a lot of time on petitions (a super efficient system as everybody knows :rolls eyes:) and angry people and fixing stuff. Any rollback that is not accompanied by free game-time or free training-time would make a lot of people unhappy as well. Nice position you put yourself in CCP. When something like this happens, you have to pull the servers CCP. I am pretty sure people can live without EVE for some days, I seem to remember a life before EVE in fact. Don't let people run around abusing broken game mechanics, that's borderline encouraged in EVE...
Buyerr	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:47:00 - [37] a dev already said last night that there was no reason for a rollback and that it was not being considered.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:48:00 - [38] Originally by: Avon No, they are bugs. Using a bug or unintended feature to gain an advantage over other players = exploit. Exploit = ban. Exploit != Ban. Exposing Exploiters = Ban. Which could be why nobody bothers anymore. -- Awwwww Diddums! Did I wardec your highsec alt recently or something?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:49:00 - [39] Originally by: Chavu No one would have liked it, but CCP should've immediately pulled down the servers when they were aware of this potentially alliance crippling bug. Cynojammers down and insta-POS-killing dreadnaughts completely break the game. I tend to agree with this, but if they had done this, it would take a hell of a lot longer to fix, as they would have no players to help them figure it out with 'real world' POSes. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:49:00 - [40] Originally by: CCP Atropos Filing a petition in these cases is the proper method of recourse. We're looking into the problems currently experienced by POS's and we need as much information that we can get, from the players. From what I hear from my friends the game is not informing folks of who is attacking the POSs so how are we suppose to supply information. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Chavu When something like this happens, you have to pull the servers CCP. I am pretty sure people can live without EVE for some days, I seem to remember a life before EVE in fact. Don't let people run around abusing broken game mechanics, that's borderline encouraged in EVE... I disagree. Preventing 91% of the playing population from enjoying the game, because of some bugs which may effect a small minority of players, is a pretty selfish attitude. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:56:00 - [42] Throw several permabans please. That way we'll weed out at least "some" ppl that abuse such bugs/loopholes on the earliest opportunity
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:57:00 - [43] I hope this gets fixed soon... many people won't be happy about putting a war on hold because of a pos bug.
Plib	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:59:00 - [44] What's a POS? What's an alliance? The majority of players don't care about either so why should they suffer a roll-back? If those that do care about what happens in 0.0 use self-restraint and help the Devs and GMs to resolve the issue sensibly then they deserve even less sympathy.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:59:00 - [45] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Chavu When something like this happens, you have to pull the servers CCP. I am pretty sure people can live without EVE for some days, I seem to remember a life before EVE in fact. Don't let people run around abusing broken game mechanics, that's borderline encouraged in EVE... I disagree. Preventing 91% of the playing population from enjoying the game, because of some bugs which may effect a small minority of players, is a pretty selfish attitude. Eve is like chaos theory, one alteration affecting 1% directly would effect 60% indirectly and then come to 100% after a few days. With 9% of people (remember lots of them have emprie alts so saying 20-30% probably would be more accurate imho) in this position I would say pull the plug unless I had a definite way to fix it allready while it was live - I trust CCP did this and it is FIXED as we haven't gone offline yet. Rate my charecters please, updated so need 3 more, 2M isk for each good review
Granmethedon III High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:04:00 - [46] I'm not quite sure where this 91% figure comes from; sure the isk farming macros won't care, but considering REAL players in the game there are far more than 9% in 0.0 space, and every pos affects every single one of those players. Besides, nobody really loses out with a roll back anyway. It affects everybody to the same level.
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:08:00 - [47] CCP, this patch was implimented terribly. Sure, you might not like whats being written here, and it would perhaps be unfair to expect that such a large patch is going to work perfectly the instant its implimented - however, this whole situation of POS & Dreads is going way beyond that, not to mention the complete fiasco with destroying peoples Operating systems with the boot.ini I'm just glad right now I don't own a POS and haven't had chance to install the patch due to being very busy at work - this is a very big let down and reveals how little some of the patch was tested, because these mistakes aren't small ones, they are huge...
Grez Minmatar e X i l e Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:11:00 - [48] People abuse bugs, they get banned. Someone abused a bug, and you lost something? Petition it, get your ** back, and get them banned. Problem solved.** --- Have a rawr on me.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:13:00 - [49] Originally by: Granmethedon III I'm not quite sure where this 91% figure comes from; sure the isk farming macros won't care, but considering REAL players in the game there are far more than 9% in 0.0 space, and every pos affects every single one of those players. Besides, nobody really loses out with a roll back anyway. It affects everybody to the same level. There was an economic review some time back, according to statistics at the time 9% of the charecters in eve were in 0.0. I am of the school of thought that 1 person = 2 accounts = 6 charecters which skews the number of people this data shows are affiliated with 0.0 operations. Rate my charecters please, updated so need 3 more, 2M isk for each good review
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:13:00 - [50] Originally by: Mecinia Lua Originally by: CCP Atropos Filing a petition in these cases is the proper method of recourse. We're looking into the problems currently experienced by POS's and we need as much information that we can get, from the players. From what I hear from my friends the game is not informing folks of who is attacking the POSs so how are we suppose to supply information. The GM's will be able to see who it is, even if you can't. What they need to know is which of your POS are broken, and in what way they are broken. Then they can look for common factors as well as firefighting your particular issue. Originally by: Granmethedon III Besides, nobody really loses out with a roll back anyway. It affects everybody to the same level. Wrong. Player A has been playing solidly since the server came back up, apart from short breaks for sleep and other biological functions. They have amassed a significant amount of isk/standings/ore/whatever during that playtime, all of which would be lost with a rollback, along with their skill training. Player B has not even bothered to log on yet after the patch. All they lose is their skill training, nothing else. Hopefully you can see that Player A loses significantly more than Player B. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:14:00 - [51] Originally by: Granmethedon III Besides, nobody really loses out with a roll back anyway. It affects everybody to the same level. I was replying to the suggestion that it would be better to take the sever down for a few days so that alliances in 0.0 wouldn't have to be inconvenienced by petitions. Is it fair to stop everyone playing for a few days, even if they have no participation in 0.0 at all? Sure the situation is a pain, but to be honest I don't mind the thought of a forced break from stupid POS warfare until it is fixed. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:17:00 - [52] Originally by: Grez People abuse bugs, they get banned. Someone abused a bug, and you lost something? Petition it, get your ** back, and get them banned. Problem solved.** But the abusers might be in BoB ... "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:21:00 - [53] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 4521577 Over here a billion is 1,000,000,000,000 American billions are puny :) True, but changing conventions is towards bill being 1000 mill and trill being 1000 bill as opposed to Imperial longhand 1 Bill = 1 million million. If America did this, my hats off to them but me suspects it was the French. I don't know if we caused it, but as far as I know, french do count like this : - 1 000 -> mille, - 1 000 000 -> million, - 1 000 000 000 -> millard, - 1 000 000 000 000 -> billion, Ps : Actually, it was our fault. Linkage -- random eve-related content --
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:53:00 - [54] Originally by: Lazuran But the abusers might be in BoB ... Then ban them. And then ban people who use this whole situation as a way to try and gain political mileage through weak trolls. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Serenity Black	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:55:00 - [55] in germany we count so also
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:57:00 - [56] Originally by: Talla Hurzin Please CCP, with the huge bugs in POS mechanics, like 0 second ROF on some dreads, the fact cynnojammers don't work, and billions of isk lost due to various other POS bugs, can you PLEASE initiate a 48 hour rollback, back to when the patch was just deployed? I don't own or operate any POS's, but I can see there's potential for huge amounts of exploitation, maybe more than GMs can handle. A rollback might be the only way to reverse the consequences of such massive, critical, widespread bugs. you know that 90% of ppl arent in 0.0 or related to any POS activity. so no rollback will ever happen
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:00:00 - [57] Edited by: ry ry on 07/12/2007 13:00:24 Quote: Then ban them. And then ban people who use this whole situation as a way to try and gain political mileage through weak trolls. as above. besides, the people actually losing out are the ones who'd be attacking a POS legitimately at this point, but can't for fear of being petitioned. *again.
Nathan Baxter Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:05:00 - [58] Edited by: Nathan Baxter on 07/12/2007 13:05:13 Awesome signature ry ry
fuze	Posted - 2007.12.07 13:12:00 - [59] Originally by: Avon I disagree. Preventing 91% of the playing population from enjoying the game, because of some bugs which may effect a small minority of players, is a pretty selfish attitude. Its not 91% since high-sec POS are affected as well. Besides, a lot of 0.0 dwellers have empire alts anyway. Its just funny that the reason this patch is rushed into release just before the end of the year (X-mas) to get more customers and having it backfire into getting bad publicity with the 'boot.ini' epic fail. An expensive typo. Hardly can't blaim QA about this. Its just CCP showing that they really like the tradition that every major patch results in utter chaos when it hits TQ. They spend 2 years on the GFX engine and couldn't spend 2 months more to test it properly. And bug abusers getting caught and banned? The people who are supposed to handle these petitions are quite capable when it comes to reading logfiles. In the mean time they try to fix the stuff that got broken. The bright side of that is that there are plenty of users who can pitch in with that.

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