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Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Chi Chin So i guess every1 will be compensated for losses :) Unfortunately, that's not how it works. They can't just magically give you everything back that you had last week because that would duplicate items. Items that were dropped as loot have been taken and probably sold to another player by now. They CAN reimburse things that were destroyed such as the labs themselves, though, and they really should. I can see your point, you don't want to re-introduce items into the economy. That being said, some people likely had some expensive stuff at their POS, ship data interfaces, adv. labs, ships, you name it. I think not compensating losses that arose from a serious bug like this, even if it means duplicating items, isn't proper. Say no to knee-jerk additions and nerfs, mmkay?
Nizomi Caldari Technopolis Ventures	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Chi Chin So i guess every1 will be compensated for losses :) Unfortunately, that's not how it works. They can't just magically give you everything back that you had last week because that would duplicate items. Items that were dropped as loot have been taken and probably sold to another player by now. They CAN reimburse things that were destroyed such as the labs themselves, though, and they really should. Remember the incident when normal rats dropped faction loot and the server was shutdown for quite some time? If I remember right the items were tracked down and removed from game.
Cynthia Lynn	Posted - 2007.12.10 07:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Metaller read the patch notes, it was announced that poses without pw will have no shields! So if you didnt set one its your fault that the labs were destroyed! thats no exploit! You sir should get a job with the Internal Revenue Service, you'll fit right in.
Epislona Minmatar The Science of War	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:14:00 - [34] Originally by: Cynthia Lynn Originally by: Metaller read the patch notes, it was announced that poses without pw will have no shields! So if you didnt set one its your fault that the labs were destroyed! thats no exploit! You sir should get a job with the Internal Revenue Service, you'll fit right in. Metaller has a point, also, why on earth would you NOT put in a password when you setup a POS? even just a jibberish password that you aren't going to remember more than 5 min. You can always change it later to something that you will remember. It's really quite amusing to see so many people who don't take the time to use the tools that CCP gives them to protect their stuff, then whine when their stuff blows up.
Braaage eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:59:00 - [35] I don't think the OP realised that BEFORE the patch if no password was set people could get inside the shield anyhow. The only difference is you couldn't target the structures inside before the patch. -- eve-guides.com Includes all about POSs, outposts, tech II production, item database and much much more.
Gunner Flashman Services	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:07:00 - [36] It's very simple imo, CCP just needed to put a random generated password in every POS that had no password before patch. That way there would have been no issues. Simple. *** 2007.10.06 R.I.P. Hatuk my friend.
Nizomi Caldari Technopolis Ventures	Posted - 2007.12.10 15:50:00 - [37] Originally by: Epislona Originally by: Cynthia Lynn Originally by: Metaller read the patch notes, it was announced that poses without pw will have no shields! So if you didnt set one its your fault that the labs were destroyed! thats no exploit! You sir should get a job with the Internal Revenue Service, you'll fit right in. Metaller has a point, also, why on earth would you NOT put in a password when you setup a POS? even just a jibberish password that you aren't going to remember more than 5 min. You can always change it later to something that you will remember. It's really quite amusing to see so many people who don't take the time to use the tools that CCP gives them to protect their stuff, then whine when their stuff blows up. Although you didnt quite get that even some posses with passwords set still lost their forcefields?
nuckluckle	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:10:00 - [38] I blew up the OP's labs and I must say this thread makes it even more satisfying.
Rshu Jhorlk	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:04:00 - [39] Originally by: Gunner It's very simple imo, CCP just needed to put a random generated password in every POS that had no password before patch. That way there would have been no issues. Simple. This. CCP was just stupid, considering that more or less ALL of their new content was dependent on this single portion of the game. You think they would have bug checked it a little better.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:47:00 - [40] According to the latest news post, the pos bugs have been fixed and people are allowed to attack again. So anyone seen any online POS with the shields down lately or did they change that? If they didn't change it when they reallowed POS warfare then it almost certainly wasn't a bug and was intended. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Lord XSiV Amarr Elysium Labs	Posted - 2007.12.14 23:38:00 - [41] Ok, one of my pos in empire got hit - got the mails for the attack on the labs but they managed to run off with 5 labs. Password was set long before the patch, so that was irrelevant. Pos was anchored in high sec, no war dec was made. They still unanchored somehow. Anyhow, peititioned.
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.15 01:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Nyphur According to the latest news post, the pos bugs have been fixed and people are allowed to attack again. So anyone seen any online POS with the shields down lately or did they change that? If they didn't change it when they reallowed POS warfare then it almost certainly wasn't a bug and was intended. I saw a POS 2 days ago with its forcefield down. So nothing has changed, this seems intentional. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map
Chi Chin Independent Frontiers	Posted - 2007.12.15 10:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: Nyphur According to the latest news post, the pos bugs have been fixed and people are allowed to attack again. So anyone seen any online POS with the shields down lately or did they change that? If they didn't change it when they reallowed POS warfare then it almost certainly wasn't a bug and was intended. I saw a POS 2 days ago with its forcefield down. So nothing has changed, this seems intentional. The latest patch should fix some the problems i guess. So till the patch is applied there will be a ban on pos warfare. Unless im mistaken? Starbases * A number of hotfixes have been applied since Trinity's deployment to resolve numerous issues with starbases and their shields. * Launching a jump bridge array no longer locks the Premium Graphics Content client up. Our labs have been replaced as well so im happy now :)
Gunner Flashman Services	Posted - 2007.12.15 21:33:00 - [44] Originally by: Chi ChinOur labs have been replaced as well so im happy now :)[/quote Wait a minute here, are you saying CCP replaced labs that were stolen, so actually duplicating items in game? I was under the fair impression CCP refused that kind of action. *** 2007.10.06 R.I.P. Hatuk my friend.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:10:00 - [45] Edited by: Nyphur on 15/12/2007 22:11:29 Originally by: Gunner Originally by: Chi Chin Our labs have been replaced as well so im happy now :) Wait a minute here, are you saying CCP replaced labs that were stolen, so actually duplicating items in game? I was under the fair impression CCP refused that kind of action. The labs people lost were all destroyed, not stolen. I assume they didn't get the items that were dropped as loot back, though, as that WOULD be duplicating. Originally by: Lord XSiV Ok, one of my pos in empire got hit - got the mails for the attack on the labs but they managed to run off with 5 labs. Password was set long before the patch, so that was irrelevant. Pos was anchored in high sec, no war dec was made. They still unanchored somehow. Anyhow, peititioned. If you got a mail saying there was an attack on the labs, they were destroyed, not stolen. They weren't unanchored, labs actually have only 1000 HP total even when anchored and online. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.15 23:08:00 - [46] Originally by: Nyphur If you got a mail saying there was an attack on the labs, they were destroyed, not stolen. They weren't unanchored, labs actually have only 1000 HP total even when anchored and online. Indeed, twice the hitpoints of a jetcan so rather easy to suicide. Of course if people leave POS modules unanchored in POS's without force fields they might grow legs and vanish. You can't tell if a POS is newly deployed or "broken" so I highly doubt anyone will get banned over this new profession of Grand Theft POS.
Gordondale	Posted - 2007.12.19 01:19:00 - [47] I'm worrying if this is the reason why our corp lost a complete POS setup. Sent a petition, but no reply. What is a good way to get CCP's att5ention?
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.19 12:32:00 - [48] Originally by: Gordondale I'm worrying if this is the reason why our corp lost a complete POS setup. Sent a petition, but no reply. What is a good way to get CCP's att5ention? Did you receive loss mails for the modules?
Chi Chin Independent Frontiers	Posted - 2007.12.19 22:32:00 - [49] Originally by: Gunner Originally by: Chi ChinOur labs have been replaced as well so im happy now :)[/quote Wait a minute here, are you saying CCP replaced labs that were stolen, so actually duplicating items in game? I was under the fair impression CCP refused that kind of action. No our labs were destroyed. We only had one replaced so far we lost 2.
Gordondale	Posted - 2007.12.19 23:49:00 - [50] No, we did not recieve any lost mail for modules at all. Only a message saying your lab was being attacked.
Jonaaka Kaliin Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.01 11:35:00 - [51] I profess I didn't check my POSs after the patch because, like many good POS managers, I deploy my POSs with passwords set, and change the access password about once every two months or so. During an upgrade module op to one of my faction towers I noticed the tower shields read 71%. Odd, I check mails for any attacks and there are none. I hop in a Osprey and begin to rep shields while I try and sort it out. Changing the password doesn't magically get the shields to 100%. Both from the "Manage" tab password as well as the right click>set password Access at this tower is set to nobody, ie, none of the tabs for alliance or corporation are set. Yet this is the second day since I originally took note of the shields being low that they appear to "reset" to 50%. After downtime today I will fly directly there and verify whether or not this "bug" has repeated itself, and if so, what % it sets itself to. The tower is well fueled, full Stront bay as well as weeks of every fuel commodity needed. It's armed, everything is online, yet for two days (and who knows how long before I noticed) it's been dropping it's sheilds to what I'm guessing to be 50%. I repped them to 94% before downtime so...let's see what is going on Did I miss something?
Daniel zorg Caldari Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2008.01.01 11:45:00 - [52] That is a different bug (the shields reset to 50%) Petition it and a GM will rep the pos it will stop reseting to 50% every DT after that
zoumau	Posted - 2008.01.01 11:48:00 - [53] Edited by: zoumau on 01/01/2008 11:48:30 Originally by: Jonaaka Kaliin bla bla....The tower is well fueled, full Stront bay as well as weeks of every fuel commodity needed. It's armed, everything is online, yet for two days (and who knows how long before I noticed) it's been dropping it's sheilds to what I'm guessing to be 50%. I repped them to 94% before downtime so...let's see what is going on Did I miss something? Yes you misses something. When tower is setup, shields are not 100%. If the shields are never boosted till 100% they reset to 50% next downtime. Natural shieldrecharge does not bring them back to 100% b4 the next dt, meaning the process will repeat itself till the shields are fully charged once. Get those logistic ships out of your docking bay. Btw this 'bug' has nothing to do with trinity patch. It has been around a little longer. CCP is aware of it, but i'm not sure they will fix it, as it's called a 'bug' or in other words free content with them as well. Greets
Jonaaka Kaliin Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.01 16:10:00 - [54] Guess that makes it an "undocumented feature" then :D Sorry to confuse the issues

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