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Duvelien
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:54:00 -
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I read in another thread someone said drones were nerfed...
Now I'm a drone user since I swooshed through the wormhole to New Eden and they have never been better. They behave ok, you can tweak their settings etc and I absolutely love the guard option.
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JCache
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:16:00 -
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40% less bandwidth on my Myrmidon should qualify as a nerf, doesn't it? Also the change of ROF is a nerf because of overkill shots.
There is no point in having multiple waves of drones if they can't break a tank...
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Red Eye .Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:17:00 -
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They're whining because some ships can't fit as many or field as many as before.
I think drones are better than ever, really.
Plus there are now mappable drone hotkeys. \o/
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Fogy
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:18:00 -
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 Originally by: JCache
40% less bandwidth on my Myrmidon should qualify as a nerf, doesn't it? Also the change of ROF is a nerf because of overkill shots.
There is no point in having multiple waves of drones if they can't break a tank...
It doesnt take a genious to understand that the reduction of the myrmidons bandwidth, isnt a drone nerf.. but a myrmidon nerf.
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
ps : nerf Zulu in the face 
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Polcor Rodal
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:18:00 -
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I was very concerned about the drone changes before the patch, and yes,
I used the opportunity to whine a lot about it (ingame and out of game)
until i tested my little minions yesterday.
It took 30 mins until i could have a seat again, due to my heavyily *rr*ct*d
p*n*s.
The bugfix of drone navigation worked wonders, and the RoF reduce with double
damage has the potential to ruin the day for a lot of people.
Not tested them in PvP so far, but i tend to say, that the idea with bandwith
and larger dronebay could really work.
But anyway, i suggest that all of us drone users keep whining like there is no
tomorrow - just to prevent getting nerfed. It worked for Caldari, so lets adapt  .
Pol
If in danger, or in doubt, run in cricles, scream and shout |
Waxau
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:20:00 -
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I fly a carrier, the ultimate drone ship - And im not affected by a nerf. Follow in my example :P
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JCache
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Fogy
It doesnt take a genious to understand that the reduction of the myrmidons bandwidth, isnt a drone nerf.. but a myrmidon nerf.
You're absolutely right. Nerfing the bandwidth on every of my drone ships is not a drone nerf... I just can't use them anymore. 
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Sleepkevert
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: JCache
Originally by: Fogy
It doesnt take a genious to understand that the reduction of the myrmidons bandwidth, isnt a drone nerf.. but a myrmidon nerf.
You're absolutely right. Nerfing the bandwidth on every of my drone ships is not a drone nerf... I just can't use them anymore.
WoW... so you flew a myrmidon, and an the omfgwtfgank eos?
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sallyr
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:41:00 -
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gal has generaly come off badly in this patch, with:
damp nerf
some of its previously most important ships taking a big dps hit with bandwidth
and a VERY poor SIN (covert ops bs) last time i checked its main dps was from drones. .. . now i dont know what clever bugger thought of that but theres 1 very big floor
. . .
you lose your drones when you cloak
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JCache
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sleepkevert
WoW... so you flew a myrmidon, and an the omfgwtfgank eos?
Nope, but a Arbitrator. The Eos actually got a drone buff, which would be great if I had the skills to use it.
And once again I will adapt... I didn't nerf the value of my money, they just won't get any of it.
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Karanth
Gallente
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Duvelien
I read in another thread someone said drone[ ships] were nerfed...
Now I'm a drone user since I swooshed through the wormhole to New Eden and they have never been better. They behave ok, you can tweak their settings etc and I absolutely love the guard option.
Fixed for you.
All that's left...
There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer.
Well, there's not many of *us* left! -Rauth
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Persephone Heaven
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:33:00 -
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Erm... no one has mentioned the biggest drone nerf of all.
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Bug Report ID - 48273
Title - Drone shields dont recharge after returning to ship
Drones shields which have sustained damage do not regenerate when the drones are recalled. When the drones are launched again they still have damaged shields. There is no mention of this as a change in the patch notes.
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By design, read the patch notes (I¦m sure its in there)
BH Ancamna
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Did you check or are you just "sure". Like I was sure that CCP couldnt release software with a virus in it that deleted boot.ini?
I can assure you its not mentioned in the Patch notes. Please feel free to actually read the patch notes and prove me wrong.
If it is by design it is the most ludicrous nerf of drone boats ever devised.
1. You have effectively reduced drone hit points by hundreds which will result in a lot more drone losses
2. You have not compensated for the reduced drone HP with a larger drone bay
3. You have not provided the ability to see which drones are damaged in the drone bay so preventing re-launch of daaged drones
4. You have not reduced the cost of drones to compensate for the increased loss of drones that will result
In short you have made the Ishtar & Dominix unplayable. The Domi is my main lvl4 mission runner. I will now lose more ISK in T2 drones than I will make from bounties.
There was no mention of this in patch notes or dev blogs.
Regards
PH
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Right, just checked and you¦re correct, there was no mention of it in Dev Blogs or Patch notes...I was wondering where I heard about the change and it was from a forum thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=592868&page=4115
Now, I also use predominantly drones on one of my characters, but you have to take good changes with bad and how different people feel about each issue. I¦m sorry if you feel this is a big nerf, but this is by design.
BH Ancamna
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I dont use "predominantly Drones" I only use drones and 7,500,000 of my skill points have been invested in drones based on hours of carefull research, planning, testing and investment of time and money over 2 years. If they had been designed like this from the start I would have trained Guns instead.
You didnt respond to any of the points I raised above. Just the standard CCP F.U.
You guys **** me off the way you think its ok to trash 2 years of someones investment in the game without a second thought. The way you sneaked this one in the back door with out a word just stinks.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:36:00 -
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Undockable drone windows from the overview.
A slimmer display of drone status in the window to make it smaller on screen.
Drones that stick together to kill one target and move to the next target as a group, instead of scattering to the four winds.
Drone shield regen that makes the dock and insta-regen pretty pointless.
My nipples hurt after ratting last night.
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: JCache
Originally by: Fogy
It doesnt take a genious to understand that the reduction of the myrmidons bandwidth, isnt a drone nerf.. but a myrmidon nerf.
You're absolutely right. Nerfing the bandwidth on every of my drone ships is not a drone nerf... I just can't use them anymore.
Oh good God TWO ships, the Myrmidon and the Eos, which just about everyone with a brain conceded needed nerfing, finally got their nerf! Plus the Arb and Recons got what I consider a boost, as 5 mediums was always the way to go anyway, and now they have three waves. . . bleh.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:42:00 -
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It's ok, everyone whining about the drone nerfs will probably just go an train some other FOTM ship, and whine when that gets balanced later. Meanwhile, I'm going to be smart and take advantage of the situation to kick just as much if not more ass.
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Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare |
Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:53:00 -
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yea i luv fad of the month people, best people that play mmos are theses people.
Aaherion call it was mages and archers, shocker they got nerfed then other classes got buffed to be comperable.
WoW early days all the kids were paladins cause they were l33t in every way and just about unkillable until they got nerfed, then they just all moved over to rogues that got buffed somehow...
moral of the story when everyone and their kid brother is flying one type of ship or playing one class of character, get ready for a nerf and dont get too comfy. And then dont cry when it happens.
Ac was kinda nice from the standpoint that tho they would nerf something horribly broken pretty quick but took ages for them to anything reguarding balance, but when they did they were more of the mind to buff the neglected and non fotm classes rather than go full out nerf, took 3 years almost for them to really revamp all the suck classes but when they did it was well done and pretty well thought out.
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Gabriel Magnar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
It's ok, everyone whining about the drone nerfs will probably just go an train some other FOTM ship, and whine when that gets balanced later. Meanwhile, I'm going to be smart and take advantage of the situation to kick just as much if not more ass.
How is focusing on drones from the start (pretty much a given if you are Galllente ) FOTM? That's right, it is not, stfu.
Basically this whole patch has been a giant "UP YOURS!" to Gallenteans. Two of their ships heavily nerfed, their EW nerfed, their drones nerfed on so many levels. Not to mention a ridiculous colour scheme that does away with any sort of coolness the ships may have had.
Drones used to be a pain, but useful. Now they are just a pain. Thank you EFT jockies. 
And ffs CCP, haven't you learned anything about the previous cloaking ships? Drones don't work on a covert ops. With bombers you finally leveled the playing field and gave all races 3 launchers. But now with the new black ops you fail again. And WTF are you going to do with one light drone on the Helios?
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Persephone Heaven
Erm... no one has mentioned the biggest drone nerf of all.
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Bug Report ID - 48273
Title - Drone shields dont recharge after returning to ship
Drones shields which have sustained damage do not regenerate when the drones are recalled. When the drones are launched again they still have damaged shields. There is no mention of this as a change in the patch notes.
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By design, read the patch notes (I¦m sure its in there)
BH Ancamna
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Did you check or are you just "sure". Like I was sure that CCP couldnt release software with a virus in it that deleted boot.ini?
I can assure you its not mentioned in the Patch notes. Please feel free to actually read the patch notes and prove me wrong.
If it is by design it is the most ludicrous nerf of drone boats ever devised.
1. You have effectively reduced drone hit points by hundreds which will result in a lot more drone losses
2. You have not compensated for the reduced drone HP with a larger drone bay
3. You have not provided the ability to see which drones are damaged in the drone bay so preventing re-launch of daaged drones
4. You have not reduced the cost of drones to compensate for the increased loss of drones that will result
In short you have made the Ishtar & Dominix unplayable. The Domi is my main lvl4 mission runner. I will now lose more ISK in T2 drones than I will make from bounties.
There was no mention of this in patch notes or dev blogs.
Regards
PH
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Right, just checked and you¦re correct, there was no mention of it in Dev Blogs or Patch notes...I was wondering where I heard about the change and it was from a forum thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=592868&page=4115
Now, I also use predominantly drones on one of my characters, but you have to take good changes with bad and how different people feel about each issue. I¦m sorry if you feel this is a big nerf, but this is by design.
BH Ancamna
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I dont use "predominantly Drones" I only use drones and 7,500,000 of my skill points have been invested in drones based on hours of carefull research, planning, testing and investment of time and money over 2 years. If they had been designed like this from the start I would have trained Guns instead.
You didnt respond to any of the points I raised above. Just the standard CCP F.U.
You guys **** me off the way you think its ok to trash 2 years of someones investment in the game without a second thought. The way you sneaked this one in the back door with out a word just stinks.
And people like you make Customer Service a ****ty job.
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Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare |
Syrius Vance
Caldari
Happy hOur Mining and industry
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Syrius Vance on 07/12/2007 20:04:07
Been using the drones with the changes on SiSi for a while now. Change a few tactics, reconfigure your drone bay loadout, and go on about your business. My Gallente character does just fine in his Myrm still, thank you very much. No need for alarm.
EDIT:Added an 's' so my sentence made sense.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Persephone Heaven
Erm... no one has mentioned the biggest drone nerf of all.
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Bug Report ID - 48273
Title - Drone shields dont recharge after returning to ship
Drones shields which have sustained damage do not regenerate when the drones are recalled. When the drones are launched again they still have damaged shields. There is no mention of this as a change in the patch notes.
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By design, read the patch notes (I¦m sure its in there)
BH Ancamna
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Did you check or are you just "sure". Like I was sure that CCP couldnt release software with a virus in it that deleted boot.ini?
I can assure you its not mentioned in the Patch notes. Please feel free to actually read the patch notes and prove me wrong.
If it is by design it is the most ludicrous nerf of drone boats ever devised.
1. You have effectively reduced drone hit points by hundreds which will result in a lot more drone losses
2. You have not compensated for the reduced drone HP with a larger drone bay
3. You have not provided the ability to see which drones are damaged in the drone bay so preventing re-launch of daaged drones
4. You have not reduced the cost of drones to compensate for the increased loss of drones that will result
In short you have made the Ishtar & Dominix unplayable. The Domi is my main lvl4 mission runner. I will now lose more ISK in T2 drones than I will make from bounties.
There was no mention of this in patch notes or dev blogs.
Regards
PH
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Right, just checked and you¦re correct, there was no mention of it in Dev Blogs or Patch notes...I was wondering where I heard about the change and it was from a forum thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=592868&page=4115
Now, I also use predominantly drones on one of my characters, but you have to take good changes with bad and how different people feel about each issue. I¦m sorry if you feel this is a big nerf, but this is by design.
BH Ancamna
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I dont use "predominantly Drones" I only use drones and 7,500,000 of my skill points have been invested in drones based on hours of carefull research, planning, testing and investment of time and money over 2 years. If they had been designed like this from the start I would have trained Guns instead.
You didnt respond to any of the points I raised above. Just the standard CCP F.U.
You guys **** me off the way you think its ok to trash 2 years of someones investment in the game without a second thought. The way you sneaked this one in the back door with out a word just stinks.
Did you actually watch your drones? Seriously? I had a drone get jumped in a ratting run last night, and I pulled them in and dumped their aggro. It had no armor and significant hull damage. I relaunched anyway, figured, what the heck?
Guess what?
That wounded drone regenned shields like crazy. Fast enough to be comparable to a frigate with a shield booster.
Get a grip, adapt, move on.
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Persephone Heaven
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Persephone Heaven
Erm... no one has mentioned the biggest drone nerf of all.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bug Report ID - 48273
Title - Drone shields dont recharge after returning to ship
Drones shields which have sustained damage do not regenerate when the drones are recalled. When the drones are launched again they still have damaged shields. There is no mention of this as a change in the patch notes.
//
By design, read the patch notes (I¦m sure its in there)
BH Ancamna
//
Did you check or are you just "sure". Like I was sure that CCP couldnt release software with a virus in it that deleted boot.ini?
I can assure you its not mentioned in the Patch notes. Please feel free to actually read the patch notes and prove me wrong.
If it is by design it is the most ludicrous nerf of drone boats ever devised.
1. You have effectively reduced drone hit points by hundreds which will result in a lot more drone losses
2. You have not compensated for the reduced drone HP with a larger drone bay
3. You have not provided the ability to see which drones are damaged in the drone bay so preventing re-launch of daaged drones
4. You have not reduced the cost of drones to compensate for the increased loss of drones that will result
In short you have made the Ishtar & Dominix unplayable. The Domi is my main lvl4 mission runner. I will now lose more ISK in T2 drones than I will make from bounties.
There was no mention of this in patch notes or dev blogs.
Regards
PH
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Right, just checked and you¦re correct, there was no mention of it in Dev Blogs or Patch notes...I was wondering where I heard about the change and it was from a forum thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=592868&page=4115
Now, I also use predominantly drones on one of my characters, but you have to take good changes with bad and how different people feel about each issue. I¦m sorry if you feel this is a big nerf, but this is by design.
BH Ancamna
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I dont use "predominantly Drones" I only use drones and 7,500,000 of my skill points have been invested in drones based on hours of carefull research, planning, testing and investment of time and money over 2 years. If they had been designed like this from the start I would have trained Guns instead.
You didnt respond to any of the points I raised above. Just the standard CCP F.U.
You guys **** me off the way you think its ok to trash 2 years of someones investment in the game without a second thought. The way you sneaked this one in the back door with out a word just stinks.
And people like you make Customer Service a ****ty job.
Customer service is only a ****ty job in companies that are providing ****ty services.
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: JCache
The Eos actually got a drone buff
OK, I give up. How is this true?
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JCache
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Zaqar
Originally by: JCache
The Eos actually got a drone buff
OK, I give up. How is this true?
Damn, they nerfed the bonus as well. Missed that little detail...
But how am I supposed to know? I don't use CS since they are unfair to weaker T1 ships... 
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Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Waxau
I fly a carrier, the ultimate drone ship - And im not affected by a nerf.
*cough*
...Yet.
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Fswd
Gallente
Black Ops Corporation
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:57:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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