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Purple Hydra	Posted - 2004.03.10 23:33:00 - [1] Er sorry to have caused the odd conflict, I thought I was fairly light with my comments and expected interesting replies not dogged fighting :/ (but thanks for the good feedback Lao Tzu, Je'nii Firehaven, Nightfang, Brother Victae, Hematic, Jeffor, Orestes and Beringeàit helps) NOW (unfortunately) I have a further questionàsighàis EVE a Massively Multi-Player Online Game or a Massively Multi-Player Online Role-playing game? Seriously are we suppose to RP or not. I like the idea that Je'nii Firehaven of The Demons of Oyonata had about the RP corp. And if memory serves Pojo of Lame Ducks does RP tooàbut I know Pojo got punished for it because it killed gallentee players. And also Knights of the Minmatar republic and Oracle corp. got burned pretty badly in the In Game Newsà So in the hopes of not starting another two page flame fight and what ever ôTrollingö means do we role play or not? Should we make it or not? After all the game exist but by the sufferance of itÆs patrons, so really its up to the player. I just thought it was already decided, that it was an RPG and was just full of bad RPers, hence my distain about whining pirates who werenÆt piratesà
Beringe	Posted - 2004.03.10 23:36:00 - [2] Role-playing really is optional. It has to be, dunnit? But surround yourself with like-minded people, and you'll find that the rich backround of EVE provides you with excellent material for RP. Perhaps write in the Intergalactic Summit or hang in la Maison? Whatever you do, don't expect avarage joe to roleplay. That won't make anyone happy. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Hakera	Posted - 2004.03.10 23:42:00 - [3] RP'ing in general is very hard IMO in anything but chat in Eve or on the forums. In battle you have no time to chat so you cant do much there. There is no distinction for having high faction standings, the empires do not love you any more and you get no bonus from it. Concord and a lack of a DMZ prevents us from taking what would be considered real RP actions in Eve and also that it is sometimes hard to feel involved the the whole depth of the eve background as the background does not often involve itself in you, only other players. Also not everyone wants to roleplay - so you have a hard time rp'ing while someone just smack talks at you... Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Angela Eve	Posted - 2004.03.10 23:44:00 - [4] EVE IS NOT RP, I shoot Hypocrite Roleplayers. This game is a tactical game of sorts(like a real time strategy), gather resources build ships, kill then get blown up eventually...every one will go done over and over...LOL remeber way back when Lord Zapp got chased by us in cruiser fleet (diffeerent charatcer) and slaughtered like a chump hahahaha See no RP, just a cycle of death and destruction. That's why I pay 60 bucks a month on it. When it stops being a slaughter house I will not keep paying :P
Jeffor	Posted - 2004.03.10 23:44:00 - [5] Edited by: Jeffor on 10/03/2004 23:44:47 Hey I was merely making a point to those whom in other posts have been talking aobut how this is a mmorpg and holding it up as a holy badge. If roleplaying gets you off good for you for me it holds little atraction to each his own. Have fun and enjoy the game however you can.
Armetheus	Posted - 2004.03.10 23:50:00 - [6] You get out the game what you put in Some corps very successfully RolePlay, see PIE/Oracle/Jericho Fraction for superb examples (3 that spring immediately to mind). Get in touch with them (Hardin -> PIE, Wren -> Oracle, Jade Constantine -> Jericho Fraction) and perhaps they can point you in the right direction. Roleplaying can be fun if you're with a good group of players Forum Rules
Jeffor	Posted - 2004.03.10 23:50:00 - [7] :faceplams: You can roleplay in a RTS game if you want to. I know people who did it in starcraft and enjoyed it. Let people do as they want to and stop trying to tell people how to play the game!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.03.10 23:58:00 - [8] sigh Doesn't look like you got the final message. "I just thought it was already decided, that it was an RPG and was just full of bad RPers, hence my distain about whining pirates who werenÆt piratesà" You're not the person to judge the quality a pirate. All your words do is add more hate on both sides. And a roleplayer really wouldn't care about whether or not a person lived up/down to his expectations of piracy. Just that they could shoot/join them, whichever is applicable to the role he was playing. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Vicarrah	Posted - 2004.03.11 00:06:00 - [9] Grrrrrr you forgot the PFM Vicarrah Tahiri Protector
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2004.03.11 00:10:00 - [10] Armetheus hit the nail on the head, RP is a choice. We do quite a bit of RP if JF - We enjoy it. I don't think RP is for everyone. Many people feel it's a waste of time or feel insecure portraying a personality ingame that is not representative of their RL. My RP is lightweight and tends to follow my RL personality. Sometimes though and it's funny... I think many people who hate to roleplay actually are doing so inadvertantly because they defend their character's position or lot in life ingame so fervently... So if you want to RP then have at it - if not then be yourself and then THAT is the charater you portray... Posting for Numbnutz
svetlana	Posted - 2004.03.11 00:15:00 - [11] i live eve, i don't RP it. over the last 11 months this game has developed it's own history which is more facinating imho than the backstory: notorious characters(player pirates), famous players (most notably from forum posts), cataclysmic player events (passari/mara, sarum prime, yulai;) that have helped shape the gameplay rules themselves. there have been famous wars that lasted for months, stunning corporate collapses (old m3g4, old TTI), high drama (jade vs. ragnar, playboy bp incident). it is awsome to see how the corps reshape themselves, how players recover from disaster, create new aliances, break apart and reform. no need to RP here, eve has a life of it's own. -svet
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.11 00:29:00 - [12] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 11/03/2004 00:30:38 amen to that Svetlana, it has a history all of its own and is a quite fantastic living universe. I still get goosebumps when I think of the Ragnar speech and the founding of the NVA. I stayed up till 7am writing the "night of treachery" and posted it straight and unedited with tonnes of spelling mistakes. It was literally a stream of consciousness polemic and rallying call in one, and little did I know while composing it that it would actually work! The fact that eve is rich enough to enable someone to conceive and execute a guerilla freedom campaign and spot of nation building is incredible. Very very rich. JF Public Forum
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2004.03.11 01:15:00 - [13] EVE is quite clearly an RPG, although FAQ #1 describes it as a MMOG go through the rest of the site, events and literature and it's riddled from top to bottom with references to roleplaying - indeed there's a forum specifically for it and most of the mini- and main-events have a very clear RP basis. The great thing about EVE is that it isn't a stupid D&D/fantasy type roleplaying thing where 'orc=kill now' rules the day, it allows complete freedom in what you can do and how you go about it (within game mechanics of course). It's so free in this that you can avoid RPing altogether if you want, or you can immerse yourself in it or you can sit somewhere in the middle. People who claim that EVE isn't an RPG simply have a very limited idea of what RP is and is not and with a game that supports such subtlty as EVE (thanks to its player led nature) it's easy to think that it isn't one when it is. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Purple Hydra	Posted - 2004.03.11 02:19:00 - [14] notice how i didn't thank you for your imput Jash Illian...your not really helping, more like I don't know..being mean? :D thanks everyone else
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2004.03.11 02:47:00 - [15] Many people will point at the most obvious RPers and say they are the "best".... People RolePlay in different ways... the best? Well, you don't even know they are RolePlaying. Is the opposite of that true? Quote: I just thought it was already decided, that it was an RPG and was just full of bad RPers Want to try that one again now?
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.03.11 02:51:00 - [16] Edited by: Jash Illian on 11/03/2004 02:53:57 Quote: notice how i didn't thank you for your imput Jash Illian...your not really helping, more like I don't know..being mean? :D thanks everyone else Neither are you. You're being a judgemental sod looking for support of your idea of proper pirates. If you seriously want to talk RP, then that'd change what I have to say. But you don't want to talk RP in general. You want to toss out more Good/Bad Pirate labels. Which is prolly why you should stick to DMing your own games where you can control the actions of the players because you're in control of the environment. In this game, your approval/disdain is irrelevant. You are just another player. Not the Dungeon Master I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Hardin	Posted - 2004.03.11 05:27:00 - [17] Roleplay is a choice - you an either do it or not... it is up to you. Neither can you 'directly' force someone else to adopt it... It is my experience that if your roleplay is backed up by ingame actions and you demonstrate your roleplay principles in what you do in game then you get some respect even from those who dont roleplay... At the end of the day EVE is a game and we are all here to have fun (at least I think we are)... if roleplay adds to that experience and makes the game more fun then people will gradually drift into it when they get bored simply trying to own the biggest ship or having the biggest pile of isk... I have to say though it can upset some people. PIE recently started producing Malediction Interceptors. As part of our roleplay we refuse to sell directly to Minmatars . I have had a few since then give me grief when I refuses to sell to them as they simply can't understand how we would turn down their ISK simply because of a 'principle'... "WTF you wont sell me a Malediction because of roleplay... but I dont roleplay... you guys ffing suck" - That certainly improved my enjoyment of the game
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2004.03.11 08:10:00 - [18] Quote: I have had a few since then give me grief when I refuses to sell to them as they simply can't understand how we would turn down their ISK simply because of a 'principle'... "WTF you wont sell me a Malediction because of roleplay... but I dont roleplay... you guys ffing suck" - That certainly improved my enjoyment of the game Now that is just hilarious. We're in a game with bucketloads of background stories, a great "fantasy" (not Orc-fantasy, imagination-fantasy =) setting, and then people have the utter gall to act out on that setting? Man, something is definitely FUBAR right there.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.03.11 08:29:00 - [19] I've played games in the past where rp was obligatory. This is not one of them. Such games tend to have a much smaller player base, for obvious reasons. Arguing about whether or not EVE is an RPG is kinda pointless, I have to say. It lets you roleplay if you want. It lets you not bother to, if you don't. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Wren	Posted - 2004.03.11 08:33:00 - [20] Edited by: Wren on 11/03/2004 08:43:47 I consider RP in EVE to try and always act within your character's motivations and mind set at all times. This is easier and much more realistic than setting up RP goals and objectives, since you can't govern who you will play with. Also, just using in character dialog and stuff in local or other conversations will help immerse yourself in the game. Just remember not to expect any RP from anyone, and just be thankful when you get rp'ed back at. --------------------------------------------------
Hardin	Posted - 2004.03.11 08:38:00 - [21] Yep!
Miso	Posted - 2004.03.11 09:01:00 - [22] Ive said this so many times now, but I'll say it again for luck: What CCP intended with the game is irrelevant, its what the player base choose to do with it that matters. If some choose to RP then the game is an RP game for them. If others choose not to then the game is not an RP game for them. Everything else is irrelevant. I don't RP per se, I just stay in character. I don't put much effort into it, and I don't spend hours acting out scenes. I just adopt a demeanor and try and stay true to it whilst I'm in game. Most of JF corp chat and TS speak is OOC, we only RP or stay in char, when interacting with other corps in game or on the boards. Hope that helps. Miso x -------------------------------------------- Dead
Tsual	Posted - 2004.03.11 09:35:00 - [23] nods to Miso The most I do, however some parts of the char I'm working out. What I think is that theoretical they could rename "Intergalactic Summit" to "Social - Philosophic IC" board and the EVE Corporations, Factions and Organizations HQ to "Economic - Politic IC" however there is a slight floating barrier between the both. I wonder If I can say Eve is a mixture of spaceopera and cyberpunk as the reason for my classification are: from (soft) Spaceopera derives the flying with faster than light drive through a gigantig universe, several Empires fighting or having fought against each other, humans having colonised hundrets of worlds, space travel. from cyberpunk derives the dark, twisted and dirty in every things, from the rusty metal plates to the very unnatural and somehow hideous forms, connection of machine with man (rigging once ship instead of steering it, increasing your attributes with cyberware) and the everywhere appearing corporation system (every NPC group is a corporation in a faction and I think the reason was not only having it easier) As I remember correctly on the advertisement in some late Beta or so it looked like they would make a very complex character creation system (would have liked it) and an interesting world to interact with and with each other sigh it looked like CCP could realise a dream I always had, yet it was only a dream. Ok on a different note anyone know why they have replaced the character system with a standart creation system? -------------------------------------- Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life. Ritual of the Qua'nadhar.
Dalmont Delantee	Posted - 2004.03.11 09:38:00 - [24] Its just another one of those choices that we can make. Trade, pirate, bounty hunt, mine, manufacture and roleplay. I used to run a RP only MUD strictly inforced and we had player levels of 100 people peak, but that was a mud and not a MMORPG :P Theres room enough in Eve for roleplayers (which I am one), miners, proper pirates and gate campers(YMCA). Now everyone be happy smile and realise that everyone plays differently. Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.03.11 23:01:00 - [25] Quote: "WTF you wont sell me a Malediction because of roleplay... but I dont roleplay... you guys ffing suck" - That certainly improved my enjoyment of the game Hehehe! Burn, heathen! ;) ----------------------------------------------
Dallenn	Posted - 2004.05.07 14:53:00 - [26] Although you are free to RP or not, your choice will affect how others view you. At least CCP, ISD and many players try to encourage roleplay, so some amount of roleplaying goes well in this context. Roleplaying as a choice is not a career, you can RP a pirate, miner or a protector of your empire just as fine. Also you have to choose your level of RP: you can just put a bit of effort to it now and then to add some spice to the game, or maybe you view it as the most crucial part of the game, up to you... Seems Eve RPers advocate two styles or paradigms of RP: 1. Acting in character. Everything your character does should be believable and realistic, in the light of who your character is. Eg. if you are a Amarr loyalist manufacturer, you will carefully select your customers. Although this style of roleplaying is quiet and not very obvious, it is fundamental because it is required for the believability of the game world and your character. However it has a weakness... 2. Complementing with verbal material and symbolic acts. Or what some see as "adding mere fantasy", which has nothing to do with the real RPing explained in point 1. Posting to the forums in character, engaging in dialogue with other characters, writing stuff in your bio or the library forum, and so on. I see this as an important part of roleplaying as well, because it adds to the story of your character, and what is roleplaying if not telling a story? :-) Some of this is also required for comprehensibility (and maybe even believability): this is an easy way to figure out who a character is, and makes it possible for you to understand eg. why Hardin won't sell you that interceptor. If you look at other fiction there are often a number of obvious clues placed for the viewer/reader for comprehending the story/plot/characters better. We seek the Chosen ones / Roleplaying in Eve / Idea Lab favourites I am Paratwa / Of the Ash Ock A Guardian of time / The firestorm / That purifies
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2004.05.07 15:23:00 - [27] Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 07/05/2004 15:29:53 I think the Rp community in Eve is getting bigger and so more influential. Of course, nobody needs to Rp here in this game, but it is a great source for added content for everyone. I've stated elsewhere as well that I play this game for two primary reasons: PvP and RP. These goals are sometimes hard to reconcile as pirates are often viewed as pure griefers, but that is another difficult discussion. However, I play my way and it suits me. As a PvPer, I break stuff. As an RPer, I hope that at least some of the things I do in the game will also contribute to the RP experience of others here, even if it means being the villain. Anyway, I think we still have a ways to go. More CCP support and recognition for our Rp efforts would be nice (not saying there hasn't been some of that already, just that we as players are ever-hungry for more). Also, good cooperation on an OOC level among players interesting in running and maintaining RP is needed. That is of course underway with the occasional RP summits, but again, more is needed. Another crucial issue is how to get people interested in also RPing to enjoy that side of the game. They may be "stuck" in a corp that doesn't RP and might not have access to any players who do. We need to establish means of getting people in touch without just telling everybody to join an "RP corp". Just a few thoughts. Edit - just had to add a few more ideas. I think the "collective of clans" idea by Asheraven was a good one in the last RP summit (sorry I missed it!) and should be developed. I suggested something similar in the first summit. That ideas being a collective of various RP corps and organizations (over corp divides) that is not so much an IC entity, but an OOC thing that arranges activity between the various groups and serves as a contact point for player's interested in RP. A great tool for CCP and their minions to work with as well! Besides that, I think we need more "themed" channels beyond la maison, catering to more specific and smaller crowds. What I'm thinking is a "pirate underground radio" (which I think I'll be developing at some point) type of thing .. and so on.
Jay Gatsby	Posted - 2004.05.07 16:23:00 - [28] But, man... pffft ... surely all of us are already just playing roles anyway. I mean, aren't we? Yeah. Right on.

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