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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:18:00 -
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I've just run the numbers for the Heimatar market - to build a Vargur, you need to pay for materials:
762,432,965 ISK
Add to this the cost of a BPC of 130m+ => Marauders will cost around 900m ISK ...
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:19:00 -
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This is about what people have been estimating, I think.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Lazuran
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Holy Mother of God
Well, I didn't want one anyway 
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Judas Jones
Amarr
Black Company
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:22:00 -
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Some people are charging billions for bpc's..so my comment is wait.
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Aeyar
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:30:00 -
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actually some even estimated way over 1bill.
and from what i saw yesterday it was still true.
cheapest golem bpc i found on contracts was like 500mill buyout.
but it will gown quite fast looking only at your 130mill bpc.
we just need more miners now to fix the rest, lol
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Bei Bao
Caldari
Triumvirate Holding Corporation
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:31:00 -
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/me looks in crystal ball........i see i see massive fleets of marauders...oh wait no i see massive massive fleets of heavy dictors ermmm..
/me cleans crystal ball....nvm
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:31:00 -
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yup.. it is ridicules when thinking about how weak it is compared to any other t2 ship/(compared to its t1 counterpart)
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:45:00 -
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CCP hates carebear mission runners that will use it what you expect?
Tho i would think the marauders would be nice for drone regions ratting. Their low sensor rating make it pretty much useless for much.
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Morn Judith
Caldari
Incognito Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:59:00 -
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You don't even know how excited I am to see the Marauders in combat. I can't wait to see one of them warp in to bust up a gate camp alone. Those things won't get a shot off before they're jammed and bubbled. Then to hear the pilot cry in local!
Originally by: Tarminic
I WANT A THRONE MADE OF MY OWN CORPSES.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.12.08 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/12/2007 18:17:27
It's called pre-nerfing. Devs are so gun shy about introducing something that is too powerful and then having to nerf it down the road they dump garbage in and hope we will be ok with it.
Tech 2 and at that cost and skill reqs I'd expect more from those ships. Essentially they are about the same as a Tier-3 battleship DPS wise and you are paying for tractor beam bonuses.
At 900 million each consider how many missions you will have to run to break even. Not just 900 million in raw cash but rather the difference you make by doing a mission in a Marauder versus T1 battleship (presumably the Marauder does it faster). Frankly it'll take ages for the thing to pay off and really is not remotely worth the investment. You'd be better off spending that extra 800 million on faction mods for your T1 ship.
If you're rich and nothing else to do with your ISK buy a new shiny for the garage. Otherwise pass.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2007.12.08 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 08/12/2007 18:35:58
Um, their build cost may be 900m if you are right, but they'll still go for billions, inventors are just as cutthroat as normal T2 producers after all, it's only natural. People don't build to be nice, they build for profit.
And don't get me started on jump freighters.
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Trojanman190
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.12.08 18:44:00 -
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Don't forget that these buggers can't be insured.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:09:00 -
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I think it depends on the ship. I will be looking to buy a paladin, once one becomes available at an "alliance" price. With my current ratting setup, I will actually be doing more dps, and have a better tank. That's because you get the damage output of 8 lasers, PLUS a 5% damage boost per marauder skill level over an apoc. I only run 7 beams on an apoc for ratting anyway. my cap use will go up very slightly, but I will be able to drop a PG mod for a cap power relay, getting my effective cap.
So, I think it really depend son the ship. Also, since the apoc is ****ty as it is, anything is an improvement.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:14:00 -
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I will replace my mission running Raven with a Marauder. Because then I won't need to have a looter/scavenger follow me. Instead she can run missions in her own Marauder. So we will be able to double our combined earnings.
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Treean
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/12/2007 18:17:27
It's called pre-nerfing. Devs are so gun shy about introducing something that is too powerful and then having to nerf it down the road they dump garbage in and hope we will be ok with it.
THIS!
They waste our time with crap. Then try to blow up our computers. Man they suck at their jobs.
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:29:00 -
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700 m is a bit over the top. More accurate price is 500 m or so, altho some people with some spare isk have been buying up one or two t2 components needed for t2 battleships and trying to sell them with ~500 % markup in trade hubs (like jita, continous shield emitters for sale for approx 150k isk, while you gan buy them for ~20 k few regions away). Thats whats prolly causing your estimate to be 200 m over the top. If you fly around a bit and know what to except to pay for some components you can buy them for approx 400 - 500m (plus print).
You can also cut the price considerably if you are not in hurry and will build your own T2 components (by buying advanced materials from market), as comonent BPO's are also reltiavely cheap.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Treean
THIS!
They waste our time with crap. Then try to blow up our computers. Man they suck at their jobs.
Somehow, I feel that this is inaccurate.
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Grapez
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Treean
THIS!
They waste our time with crap. Then try to blow up our computers. Man they suck at their jobs.
Somehow, I feel that this is inaccurate.
[combat] Maurader cost perfectly strikes logical thought, wrecking for untold number of flame threads
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.08 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
I will replace my mission running Raven with a Marauder. Because then I won't need to have a looter/scavenger follow me. Instead she can run missions in her own Marauder. So we will be able to double our combined earnings.
Doubtful ... Look at the loot size increase, you will need 2-3 times as much cargo space as previously.
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.08 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aeyar
actually some even estimated way over 1bill.
and from what i saw yesterday it was still true.
cheapest golem bpc i found on contracts was like 500mill buyout.
You must have missed that most of the BPCs on contracts were 4 or 5 run ... There were some 5 run for 625m earlier.
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.08 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Treean
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/12/2007 18:17:27
It's called pre-nerfing. Devs are so gun shy about introducing something that is too powerful and then having to nerf it down the road they dump garbage in and hope we will be ok with it.
THIS!
They waste our time with crap. Then try to blow up our computers. Man they suck at their jobs.
You see Pre-nerfing is fine, as long as they boost afterwards.
However CCP nerfs something else to compensate. For example lets look at pre-nerfed Armour compensation skills. They were prenerfed to only effect EANM's, as nobody used EANM's before.
Suddenly, their prenerf meant that people changed from Actives to EANM, giving Amarr almost half damage output overnight. Rather than boost the Armour cocmpensation skill to effect Actives, they nerf EANM.
Amarr still have their problem, and now they cannot use EANM due to having least CPU amonst all races. So devs released a prenerf, and nerf something else to compensate for the prenerf.
Very very bad game design.
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Kur'Dekaija
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.08 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
700 m is a bit over the top. More accurate price is 500 m or so, altho some people with some spare isk have been buying up one or two t2 components needed for t2 battleships and trying to sell them with ~500 % markup in trade hubs (like jita, continous shield emitters for sale for approx 150k isk, while you gan buy them for ~20 k few regions away). Thats whats prolly causing your estimate to be 200 m over the top. If you fly around a bit and know what to except to pay for some components you can buy them for approx 400 - 500m (plus print).
You can also cut the price considerably if you are not in hurry and will build your own T2 components (by buying advanced materials from market), as comonent BPO's are also reltiavely cheap.
its true that 700 mill is bit off, like using jita prices yesterday a Kronos made with max chance decryptors would had costed 680 mill to build, but by checking out older jita data some comps(about 3) have been upped by 30% or so. If prices would be reduced the material cost would be around little over 600 mill IMO. Then ad the bpc cost, with gallentes ****ty decryptor cost a ship for 1 bill aint so bad :P but hell Im building them so bit bias.
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Greebus
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Posted - 2007.12.08 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Greebus on 08/12/2007 22:02:20
CCP have introduced isk buying as stage 1
Stage 2 - give everyone a reason to buy it I.E 900m Marauders, increase in modules sizes impacting ratting and the stealth nerf of a reduction in sec status gain when missioning/ratting
Fact is CCP are getting greedy and they are destroying Eve Online
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SnakeByte86
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Posted - 2007.12.08 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Greebus
Edited by: Greebus on 08/12/2007 22:02:20
CCP have introduced isk buying as stage 1
Stage 2 - give everyone a reason to buy it I.E 900m Marauders, increase in modules sizes impacting ratting and the stealth nerf of a reduction in sec status gain when missioning/ratting
Fact is CCP are getting greedy and they are destroying Eve Online
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.08 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Greebus
Edited by: Greebus on 08/12/2007 22:02:20
CCP have introduced isk buying as stage 1
Stage 2 - give everyone a reason to buy it I.E 900m Marauders, increase in modules sizes impacting ratting and the stealth nerf of a reduction in sec status gain when missioning/ratting
Fact is CCP are getting greedy and they are destroying Eve Online
Spoken like someone who believes that running L4 missions is the end-game of EvE.
Missioning is one small facet of the game; try to see things from a perspective other than your own. Increased loot size is a boost to miners, for instance, and one that has long been sorely needed. Decreasing L4 mission loot was a long overdue rebalancing of the risk:reward equation. And frankly, it doesn't go far enough - just be glad that they didn't shift L4 missions to lo-sec, as many have advocated.
If you were able to do missions without a Marauder until today, why can't you continue to do so tomorrow? Your post implies that you feel compelled to buy ISK to get one - why? A Golem is only marginally better than a CNR, which you can get with a couple of weeks of steady missioning (and not much more expesnive to buy either). After a couple more weeks you have a spare one in your hangar. After that... then what?
If you're missioning for ISK, then why buy the golem? Just keep the ISK
If you're missioning for fun, then a CNR is just as capable, and better in some ways.
Are you truly that horrified that someone might have a slightly better ship that you?
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