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CaeserTheGreat
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Posted - 2007.12.08 23:09:00 -
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I would like to know what is with cutting bounties to nearly nothing and cutting the mission payouts/bonuses/lp's in half? People pushed for this? Bright dev idea? .. its beyond me who would think of this.
This is not a whine post. Just stating facts and my disappointment. In 1yr i have made, maybe 3 posts?
For me its my isk maker. Take it away, you force me to call it quits.
Befor the industrialists jump in and say... "Mission runners were making way to much isk"
(without us making isk we have no money to buy your products at the huge prices your asking in alot of cases. Be ready for a huge supply with no buyers... ie sales and lost profits)
Befor the pvp peeps say the same plus "Get out of high sec runing missions making easy isk and come pvp in low sec and earn it" (last i checked this is a mmorg for people to experience what they choose in the game of fantasy. Its not a FPS!) Although i do pvp in the form of war dec.
Now to the Lvl 4 mission i ran earlier. This mission prior to patch ,ie the new game experince..(where have i heard NGE befor? herrmmmm ill not go there!!)
The bounties on elite cruisers and battlecruisers were 75k-250k each. Battle ships ranged 250-1mil (occasional 4mil special agent kill) Mission payout (with my skills) ranged 875k-1.2mil , Time bonus same range as payout. The loyal points (with my skills) ranged 3700-4200 per mission.
Now what i get on my LVL 4 missions after patch/nge
mission payout 620k , bonus 500k, LP's 2000, oh and the bounies i didn't recieve as i killed the npc's (wich i freaked out) i received 121k at the end (in wich i freaked out at the amount) for kill 40 elite cruisers/battlecruisers/frigates. Nice payout huh? haha
Most of my training has revovled around be a good mission runer as well as the mods and ships i have set up. Now after 1yr this is been turned upside down (for mission runners) to me this is saying... learn news skill, do something different, trade the market, what ever you do.. make sure you must start over in something new to continue your membership.
Nope i experienced this with a little game call star wars galaxies. Its ironic there game busting update was also called NGE. good luck to those who enjoy playing. I had fun while it lasted.. and in the end thats what i payed for, to have fun. It has changed for me.. and i for 1 will not pay for disappoint ( i can get that from people for free).
So Why would this be implemented? People crying about what other people are doing? Crying about how much isk others make? How they are playing the game doesnt set well with others? Its amazing a company listens to a group or groups of people to change or alter others play. Seeing that alteration comes at the cost of the person paying the subsription. Ha unthinkable. CCP meet SOE/Lucasarts. the similarities are uncany
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.08 23:18:00 -
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Reward for new or changed missions start at the lowest possible level, to be later adjusted by the auto-balancing tool, so that could explain the low mission rewards.
The change in mission target payout can be more worrisome, but are you sure you weren't killing some faation Navy NPC where the tag in the loot substitute for the bounties?
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NCP S2
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Posted - 2007.12.08 23:25:00 -
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Also keep in mind they changed the way bounties are paid.
Now all of your kills are paid once every 15 minutes. Threw me for a loop when my wallet wasn't auto updating, but a quick self reminder of the patch notes, I waited for a few minutes and checked again. A bounty was paid for the kill of 4 rats. I actually like the new system a lot more.
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CaeserTheGreat
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Posted - 2007.12.09 00:50:00 -
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NPC 82
The problem is not that bounties are paid at the end. I could care less when they are paid. The deal, BIG deal is the amount.
LvL 4 mission. killed 40 elite cruisers/frigs/BC from 02:20 untill 02:40 Total 1 time payout for bounties. 121k. 121k!!! ha (prior to nge patch, each kill was 75-145k. 40x 110k average= 4.4mil .. now 121k!! ha) . same for the other missions. 1 time low payout. not even worth the 20min-1hr runing the mission. total mission payout including time bonus and bounty 1.2mil . ammo/cap charges used, time spent getting there and killing , returning. Its not worth time runing the LVL 4.
Not to mention the skills i wasted time/isk training ie
negotiation/bureaucratic connecetion for high mission payout and lp's. What a waste of time. Ops i forgot time is what keeps this game finances afloat.
And the LP payout? cut in half or more on all 5
missions i have ran now.
Just ran a 3jump (6jump round) courier that took 16min for full turn around in indust . 190k and 300lp on lvl 4 courier. LOL i can actually make double that mining scordite (less the lp) in the same time frame... Oh my, some going to have rude awakening runing missions.
SAd indeed.
I say... lets nerf miners.. no more than 1k unit of scordite per hr. Yeah lets have a nerf ganking party! Better yet, lets limit traders to 3 open orders and reduce speed tanks to 300ms max! Hey im for reducing max insurance payout to 1mil on all ships too!
See how silly that sounds. Just as silly as the person who decided this mission payout nerf was good.
Builders, your in for a world on ecconomic hurt if they keep this in effect for long.
Was hoping someone would post and say. this is another mistake that will be fixed shortly, like the bootini debacle... but i guess mmorg history repeats itself. Create a game, then start cutting back/eleminating stuff
then add more stuff to eleminate at a later date as devs see fit. Congrats on keeping the mmorg spirit alive!
As you can see im pow'ed!
Nothing more i should say...
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.09 01:13:00 -
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Now what i get on my LVL 4 missions after patch/nge
mission payout 620k , bonus 500k, LP's 2000, oh and the bounies i didn't recieve as i killed the npc's (wich i freaked out) i received 121k at the end (in wich i freaked out at the amount) for kill 40 elite cruisers/battlecruisers/frigates. Nice payout huh? haha
You did a lvl4 mission that didn't have battleships in it and you were suprised the payout wasn't as good as other missions? I just finished doing enemies abound 5/5 and got about 3m in payout, 7000 LP and probably 60m in salvage/loot.
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Tokra
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Posted - 2007.12.09 01:22:00 -
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hmm, strange. No idea what is wrong at your payout. I get normaly 8 millions every update (more or less, depending on the mission) like it should be.
Same with courier missions. All like always. Around 700 to 1000 loy and 300k ISK for a level 4 courier mission.
Sure, the new missions suck in payment, but that was always this way. They are at their start value and they will adjust with the time (as long as someone is stupid enough to do them  ).
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CaeserTheGreat
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Posted - 2007.12.09 01:55:00 -
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KK
If you read a little higher you would see what the payout was.
"This mission prior to patch ,ie the new game experince..(where have i heard NGE befor? herrmmmm ill not go there!!)
The bounties on elite cruisers and battlecruisers were 75k-250k each. Battle ships ranged 250-1mil (occasional 4mil special agent kill) Mission payout (with my skills) ranged 875k-1.2mil " Now there squat.
Im have SAme LVL 4 agent been runing for since june 2007 i know the missions like the back of my hand. have ran the same missions over and over since that time.
SOme were so good i would leave the prime target and come back after reset to do the mission again. The pay on those where over 20mil if including salvage. They are reduced unbelievably.
Ran 7 tonight and quit. The pay outs are equal a pre patch lvl 3 at best. Highest made on 1 mission tonight was 1.2mil (did not bother to loot as i was racing to get another mission to check my fears. Yep same, same and same a 7th time.)
All i know is my 1mil payout and 1mil bonuses is gone. reduced to 500-600k and bounties so fare are nuked to 5-10k per kill compared to 75-245k each kill on cruisers/BC prior patch and 120k on BS. Thats what im getting.
Go check my agent out (if you have standings). maybe its a agent spec bug?? I hope, but doubtful. Its nerfed. My agent is at alentene (verge vendor) moon 16 PF AGENT: cusel viriette lvl 4
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Oftherocks
Of The Rocks Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.09 02:08:00 -
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I've run numerous lvl4 missions post patch and the bounties, rewards, and lp all seem to be exactly as they were before the patch. I am at a total loss as to why you seem to be experiencing such a decline in payout. Have you checked that your agents lvl and or quality haven't been changed? I highly doubt this, but it is the only thing I can think of except for you being totally insane.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.09 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Oftherocks
I've run numerous lvl4 missions post patch and the bounties, rewards, and lp all seem to be exactly as they were before the patch. I am at a total loss as to why you seem to be experiencing such a decline in payout. Have you checked that your agents lvl and or quality haven't been changed? I highly doubt this, but it is the only thing I can think of except for you being totally insane.
This. I'm getting exactly the same missions (though after the patch I did end up warping *INSIDE* the WC L4 Guristas battletower, which put a serious cramp on my kiting).
Liang
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:29:00 -
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I am not noticing any lower rewards, LP or bounties for Level 4 missions.
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Petrina Uvera
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Posted - 2007.12.09 05:35:00 -
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I am getting the same payouts as before(at least bounty, moved temporarily from 0.1 to 0.7 and agent is 8lower quality so allot lower LP and mission payout but seems correct for the change).
Got about 16mil bounty for The Assault. Smaller missions have gotten me from 3-10million in bounty.
You should also notice that the bounty might not be paid until after you turn in the missions. As far as I have noticed the bounty payout comes 20minutes after I kill the first rat and every 20minutes after. So if it takes you 30minutes to finish the mission you will not get the bounty for the rats you killed the last 10minutes until 10minutes after turning in the mission.
Also I check the bounty on most rats I kill since I often choose target based on it. Every frigate size rat has had 7-35k bounty, every cruiser size rat has had 60-300k bounty and every Battleship rat has had 400-1300k bounty.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.09 07:37:00 -
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Care to give the names of this missions with low rewards?
You can find them looking the most recent corporation standing increases.
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marie claude
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Posted - 2007.12.09 07:56:00 -
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 ran gone berserk last night 20 mill in bounties 2 mill in mission payments 8 mill in loot 4k lp same as always. i think ur bugged m8 ...or just bugga!! lol
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2007.12.09 10:01:00 -
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Since I am far more clever than everyone else I will post my two cents
First off, the "low LP/Reward/Timebonus payout bug"
The payouts are based on various factors, like the average time it takes a player to complete it, the number of times you personally have completed it and so on and so forth... Some missions have beens changed and new ones have been added, this unfortunately means resetting some of the values used to calculate your rewards.
Over the next 1-2 weeks, these values will return to normal.
Then "lower bounties"
The changes made to some missions, mean that they "have less ISK them" that previously. The "good ones" still seem to yield roughly the same amounts, but with FAR less performance-problems.
And finally the whole "hey my missions are WAY easy now"-issue
It seems that many rat types are now slower to reach optimal range, this results in a drop in the amounts of damage done at the very start of a mission, and opens up a lot of room for "flying your way out of trouble", instead of just sitting there like youre used to.
Now, the original poster is obviously angry that he is affected by what he views as a "nerf", but there is no reason to panic. BUT if you do...
...can I have your stuff?
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CaeserTheGreat
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Posted - 2007.12.09 22:06:00 -
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Schani
Well i am not aware that amount of time changes anything except the time bonus if gone over time limit. The difference in pay if done more than once? If thats true it must have been such a minute amount i didn't notice. I actually used to list the bounties on diff types of rats of each mission. That got old really fast.
I'll see what happens over the next 2 week if you say there are changes that will take time to re-adjust? I did run 2 more missions early this am and the payout was super low like the other 7 i did. No bonus this time as it was a drone mission and the next was a courior that paid 110k for a 10jump rnd LV4 ...pathetic. So i quit with those 2, getting disgusted.
Anyway ill wait a couple of weeks as you predict and see what happens.
If not... YES you may have my stuff as your the only one who asked and one of only a couple that didn't post childish name calling fodder.
I don't have alot though. maybe 200m isk. 8 ships (all gall & all fully T2 fitted) 2 BS, 1 BC, the rest are T2 stealths, assualts. There are alot of T2mods, some faction ammo, have no idea what prices are as its been ages since a price check. Some skills books encryptions,capitals,gall carrier/jumps (carrier was my next profession move)
anyway i suppose everything besides the books may come out to 750-900m and the books, well i dont know what they are worth today. think the carrier was most expensive, i looted the encryptions. They might all be worth 1 bil? anyway like i say its not alot for a 1yr char but..contact me in game or ill get ahold of u in 2 weeks.
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Oftherocks
Of The Rocks Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.10 00:01:00 -
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CaeserTheGreat,
I humbly apoligize for the name calling, the inner troll in me broke out. I would seriously hate to see a year old character quit over name calling or some silly bug. You see, I too use lvl 4 kill missions to make my living in Eve, and I am at a total loss as to why your rewards are so low all of a sudden.
Let's see if we can identify the problem shall we?
- What is the lvl, quality, division, and security status of the agents solar system of the agent you are using?
- When you target lock a rat in the missions, it will tell you the bounty amount in the upper right hand corner, do the bouties being displayed seem off? Can you give some specific examples?
- When you say the lp and mission rewards are low, are these new or old missions? Are they kill or courier?
If you can give some precise information perhaps we can figure out the problem and prevent your leaving the game.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.10 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: CaeserTheGreat
I'll see what happens over the next 2 week if you say there are changes that will take time to re-adjust? I did run 2 more missions early this am and the payout was super low like the other 7 i did. No bonus this time as it was a drone mission and the next was a courior that paid 110k for a 10jump rnd LV4 ...pathetic. So i quit with those 2, getting disgusted.
It would be helpful to post the name of the missions.
The courier mission reward is about right. Probably if you had unselected the "avoid low sec" option you would have discovered that there was a short route available (not thtat I suggest to do courier missions in low sec).
I had that more than once: long high sec only route or shor low sec.
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