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Requiescat Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.12.16 04:04:00 - [61] Just stop replying and he'll go away, look at Won Ton in C+P Victory - Honor = Loss
Dracon Zethera	Posted - 2007.12.16 04:32:00 - [62] So... because Caldari is the race of range and because the Rohk can do decent damage at max locking distance it makes it overpowered? An interceptor can reach it in seconds without taking damage, and once it is there you have a gang on top of it. To me that doesn't seem overpowered.
Novalotus	Posted - 2007.12.16 04:52:00 - [63] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 16/12/2007 02:56:38 Originally by: Arkios Odymei Bah you caught me on the lock range thing Jonny... But even still, the two ships will still both need the same sensor boosters. So in effect it will equalize. The outcome will be pretty much the same, only the DPS gap will be a little smaller. Anywho, Im done here. It seems that there would be no point to bother. LOL - Read my Above post - The Abaddon NEEDS 2 Sensor booster to target 160km+, The rokh needs just 1 to target to 184km. The Rokh has 4 midslots for Extender Tank, say 1 Em and 2 Invul, so EM is highist Resist. Perhaps a Booster in last midslot for real emergencies. Abaddon he posted would miss most shots at 159km so only do really around 200dps or less. Anyhow my point is simple. All Amarr Daamage data to date is BAISED on IMPOSSIBLE fittings. Amarr Battleships CANNOT fit 3 damage mods and be competitive due to the broken requirements of Lasers + Cap. The Rokh has 4 free slots, More Damage, more range etc as shown in the above posts. Theoretical Amarr looks Great but REAL LIFE Amarr have Impossible Fittings, so NERF ROKH to be Balanced With Amarr. Ok, so let me get this straight... You think that the Rokh is stronger in every possible way, and now you want to swap that around with the abbaddon? When last I checked the the amarr battleships can fight very well at a long range, do very good damage, oh, and here's my favorite part. THEY USUALLY WIN WHEN FIGHTING AGAINST OTHER SNIPING SHIPS. If you weren't a completely blind pilot, you might realize that long range tactics are not the best way to encounter a Rokh, perhaps you may want to try another approach like exploiting the Rokhs low DPS, poor ability to tank any DPS (if it is setup for sniping), and its inability to hit anything within a 30km radius; god knows that the whole 50 cubic meters of drone bay will save you at that range. Instead of complaining about how you cant out-snipe "THE" sniping ship of the game and demanding a nerf. I know this may sound crazy to some pilots out there, but the same tricks dont always work twice . TRY A NEW TACTIC!
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.16 04:52:00 - [64] 250km range is insignificant compared to the speed of some of these nanoships. And lets not get into its sensor resolution, if you start a nanoship at 250km out and hit the lock on command, he's almost under your guns by the time you lock on. Cloaking Covops frigates? Screw it, you're already dead. Even without the bombs, his cruise missiles will cause you endless grief. The one prayer of a Rokh pilot for anything other than fleet PvP is a blaster set up, which CAN work, in a gang where someone else is handling the tackling duty. With the right configuration, you can get almost 20km out of Large Modal Mega Neutrons with antimatter, which, for a strictly Caldari pilot, makes you a modest second fiddle to a Megathron. In practical terms, the Rokh's best fit duty is an active tank for group PvE ops. I use mine as an overwatch ship for mining ops in 0.0, and with very little difficulty, I get 90% and better resists against rat damage, and it can run that tank forever. For ice mining operations, I can configure an effective tank and enough range capability to hold 90% resists and 105km coverage with antimatter rounds, which allows me to park pretty much in the middle of the ice belt and cover miners almost from one end to the other. Not glamourous duty, but it beats sitting in a hangar while the Raven gets all the love.
Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.16 08:29:00 - [65] Originally by: Incantare ** Wall of Text ** I think oyu failed to relise the point. How Long is that Abaddon going to be useful in a fleet battle if it did not have to dock after every 80 seconds to buy cap booster charges? Also, the Rokh I shown, does not need rigs and have 4 free midslots. Your abaddon needs all slots + rigs and still cannot fight as well as the rokh. Notice - yours is the first setup in this thread to use rigs and you are forced to use them to compensate for the broken setup of Amarr. I mean, you are talking the price of another Abaddon after insurance in a ACR alone! On a like for like basis, something you did not do, The Rokh has super easy fitting, the Abaddon does not. The Abaddon requires 22 Slots worth of fitting to acheive what the rokh does in 15 slots. Therefore the rokh should alos be balanced in requireing 22 slots worth of fitting, as you have shown! Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Kei Nagase Minmatar Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.12.16 09:46:00 - [66] God... You dumb alt, if you have such a problem either Train a different race or Quit the game. You obviously cry everytime you lose a fight. This game just isn't for you. Sigerceptors Skill Bonus: 5% reduction in Sig Radius AxOatAo
Hephaesteus Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.16 11:40:00 - [67] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:17:26 You again
Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.16 12:53:00 - [68] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 16/12/2007 12:54:05 Originally by: Kei Nagase God... You dumb alt, if you have such a problem either Train a different race or Quit the game. You obviously cry everytime you lose a fight. This game just isn't for you. Eh? If your concept of Train a different race was true, then we would all be training to fly 8 heatsink, unstacking nerfed Gankageddons in PvP, ravens in PvE. Dont you know that because of PEOPLE complaining about Amarr 2-3 years ago being powerful they got NERFED to uselessness? Honestly! Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.16 13:31:00 - [69] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Also, the Rokh I shown, does not need rigs Say what?! God help you if you take a Rokh into combat without three CCC 1s...
Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.16 13:46:00 - [70] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Jonny JoJo Also, the Rokh I shown, does not need rigs Say what?! God help you if you take a Rokh into combat without three CCC 1s... God help you if you take a Abaddon into combat without 3 CCC rigs, 2 Relays, Heavy Cap booster and a hauler filled with 800's...... Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Xzar Fyrarr Minmatar State War Academy Glory	Posted - 2007.12.16 17:20:00 - [71] Rokh fails END OF DISCUSSION. I said that in a hope to get the op stop posting USELESS threads about stuff that REALLY does NO good to anyone in the game or on the forums... R.I.P God killed a kitten because of the op. A moment of silence for the fallen kitten.
Arleonenis Minmatar NET Profit Trading	Posted - 2007.12.16 17:24:00 - [72] Edited by: Arleonenis on 16/12/2007 17:26:01 Originally by: Jonny JoJo pile of bulls**t please dont feed the troll in quote... i wonder if he is really that stupid noob or he is goonfleet member alt laughing his ass out of peoples that try reasonable answers to this "thing"...
Bruce Deorum Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.16 17:48:00 - [73] Originally by: Jonny JoJo God help you if you take a Abaddon into combat without 3 CCC rigs, 2 Relays, Heavy Cap booster and a hauler filled with 800's...... Fitting both a cap booster and so many cap-recharge mods sounds like an inexperienced mission runner with average cap skills. - Passive and active regen mods vert rarely mix very well, unless you have too many slots don't knowing what to do with...like fitting a shield booster in a drake full of SPRs...it's either an overkill, or even beats the purpose. - Take just the Heavy Cap Booster and 800', fit the Abby for max dmg in PvP. Fit Trimarks ,not CCC should you like rigs, and 1600 RT or EAMN II for maximum buffer tank. - Should you like sustained - tho lower DPS? The Apoc is actually useful in ONE thing. Oh, and the Rohk is a better miner too, cause it has more CPU! (idea for another nerf-thread, work on it)
Hans Angry Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.16 17:53:00 - [74] Edited by: Hans Angry on 16/12/2007 17:53:42 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:17:26 The rokh has a major problem in that it has a massive optimal that makes it overpowered. The optimal bonus of 10% is far to much for other races to compete with, since tracking mods were nerfed. Some races, e.g Amarr, need to fit 4-5 Tracking mods to compete with rokh. I strongly reccomend that the rokh optimal bonus gets changed to a 5% optimal bonus to reflect new changes in Trinity. Or perhaps a 10% cap use one. shut up, your stupid, the Rokh has great range yeah, but in a fleet how does that help? the abaddon, megathron, and tempest all have over 160km, yet they out dps the rokh, so yeah unless your in a fleet of 250km range rokhs, or soloing with a sniper setup no point in using the rokh because it has fruitful dps, next to the other bs's and snipers
Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.16 18:22:00 - [75] Originally by: Hans Angry Edited by: Hans Angry on 16/12/2007 17:53:42 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:17:26 The rokh has a major problem in that it has a massive optimal that makes it overpowered. The optimal bonus of 10% is far to much for other races to compete with, since tracking mods were nerfed. Some races, e.g Amarr, need to fit 4-5 Tracking mods to compete with rokh. I strongly reccomend that the rokh optimal bonus gets changed to a 5% optimal bonus to reflect new changes in Trinity. Or perhaps a 10% cap use one. shut up, your stupid, the Rokh has great range yeah, but in a fleet how does that help? the abaddon, megathron, and tempest all have over 160km, yet they out dps the rokh, so yeah unless your in a fleet of 250km range rokhs, or soloing with a sniper setup no point in using the rokh because it has fruitful dps, next to the other bs's and snipers Except you missed the part where the Abaddon lacks lowslots due to broken fitting requirements, so the Abaddon needs 2-3 RCU, 2-3 Tracking mods and then can fire for 80 seconds and then dock up mid fight to buy cap booster charges. The rokh has a free 4 midslots slots for the Abaddons 0 free midslots for just hitting at 160km+. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Dark Flare Caldari StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.16 19:02:00 - [76] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 16/12/2007 18:27:00 Originally by: Hans Angry Edited by: Hans Angry on 16/12/2007 17:53:42 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:17:26 The rokh has a major problem in that it has a massive optimal that makes it overpowered. The optimal bonus of 10% is far to much for other races to compete with, since tracking mods were nerfed. Some races, e.g Amarr, need to fit 4-5 Tracking mods to compete with rokh. I strongly reccomend that the rokh optimal bonus gets changed to a 5% optimal bonus to reflect new changes in Trinity. Or perhaps a 10% cap use one. shut up, your stupid, the Rokh has great range yeah, but in a fleet how does that help? the abaddon, megathron, and tempest all have over 160km, yet they out dps the rokh, so yeah unless your in a fleet of 250km range rokhs, or soloing with a sniper setup no point in using the rokh because it has fruitful dps, next to the other bs's and snipers Except you missed the part where the Abaddon lacks lowslots due to broken fitting requirements, so the Abaddon needs 2-3 RCU, 2-3 Tracking mods and then can fire for 80 seconds and then dock up mid fight to buy cap booster charges. So the Damage of 80 sec is not enough to kill a modern fleet fitted rokh! The rokh has a free 4 midslots slots for the Abaddons 0 free midslots for just hitting at 160km+. Of course it has more free midslots. Hey guize, if you fit a single damage mod to both Abaddon + Rokh, the Abaddon has more lowslots left afterwards! OHNOES. TO THE FORUM.
Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.16 23:36:00 - [77] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 16/12/2007 23:37:40 Originally by: Dark Flare Hey guize, if you fit a single damage mod to both Abaddon + Rokh, the Abaddon has more lowslots left afterwards! OHNOES. TO THE FORUM. incorrect. A Abaddon in a fleet fit with a single damage mod will have less free slots due to fitting than a Rokh. A Abaddon needs 2-3 RCU depending on skills, and 2-3 Tracking mods. And a Damage control. However, looking at the new nightmare, that seems to be the only competitive Lasership - It has no need for multi-rcu's, it has 7 midslots, meaning plenty of tracking mods fitting, as well as 2 sensor booster + MWD. Low slots are not wasted on multi-rcu's either and it has 3 rig slots. But the Amarr BS lvl5 bonus helps its tracking be on a par of other races, and Caldari BS lvl5 gives it respectable damage output finally. So there you have it - A viable Lasership because it has stacks of bonus's. Amarr suck but Sansha actually know how to use these damm weapons! Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Novalotus Caldari The Tal'Shiar	Posted - 2007.12.17 05:05:00 - [78] Edited by: Novalotus on 17/12/2007 05:05:46 ======= Common Sense - Lvl 5 Reasoning With Idiots - Lvl N/A (Estimated time of completion - NOT HAPPENING SOON)
Hami Sa	Posted - 2007.12.17 05:13:00 - [79] Threads like this one are what turns this board into ****.
Arthur Frayn Veterans Of Liberation Ltd. THORN Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 05:32:00 - [80] I like threads like this when someone whines about a ship that's not even close to a FOTM/pwnmobile because it means the op will never ever get his wish fulfilled. Aside from that, Amarr ships do need their boost. Maybe when the day comes, it will shut this whining baby up. -- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes.

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