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Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:12:00 - [1] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:15:09 The rokh has a major problem in that it has a massive optimal that makes it overpowered. The optimal bonus of 10% is far to much for other races to compete with, since tracking mods were nerfed. Some races, e.g Amarr, need to fit 4-5 Tracking mods to compete with rokh. I strongly reccomend that the rokh optimal bonus gets changed to a 5% optimal bonus to reflect new changes in Trinity. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Lazarann Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:13:00 - [2] Please stop posting about everything that you think is over powered. The rest of us don't care.
NoNah	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:19:00 - [3] Here we go again. The rokh was almost subpar prepatch, Trinity gave it a buff. Caldari whiners won on every single front this patch. Your sig isn't clever enough to motivate this senselss spam of new threads. Postcount: 100532
Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:21:00 - [4] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:21:13 Originally by: NoNah Here we go again. The rokh was almost subpar prepatch, Trinity gave it a buff. Exactly, and the Buff given is far too good. I strongly reccomend that the Optimal bonus gets changed to a Cap se one, or the optimal bonus gets changed to a 5% Range. This would bring it in line with other battleships. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Sharkk	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:28:00 - [5] Edited by: Sharkk on 09/12/2007 09:28:38 yes please nerf all diversity and make all ships the same with different skins to bring all ships in line with all other ships
KD.Fluffy The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:32:00 - [6] Edited by: KD.Fluffy on 09/12/2007 09:32:12 Quote: xactly, and the Buff given is far too good. I strongly reccomend that the Optimal bonus gets changed to a Cap se one, or the optimal bonus gets changed to a 5% Range. This would bring it in line with other battleships. What the hell are you talking about. this ship does ONE thing well, and thats damage from a distance. If your going to cry about that you need to ask yourself why the****abond isnt nerfed because it speed tanks better then all the other hacs....... Boost The Eagle!
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:17:26 The rokh has a major problem in that it has a massive optimal that makes it overpowered. The optimal bonus of 10% is far to much for other races to compete with, since tracking mods were nerfed. Some races, e.g Amarr, need to fit 4-5 Tracking mods to compete with rokh. I strongly reccomend that the rokh optimal bonus gets changed to a 5% optimal bonus to reflect new changes in Trinity. Or perhaps a 10% cap use one. go away... plz.. go away. dont post again
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:39:00 - [8] thread needs more megathorn ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:41:00 - [9] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:41:42 Shooting 249km is something not possible with some other races. Even with NO optimal bonus, a hybrid user has a higher optimal with 2 tracking mods than a, say, Amarr Tachy user with 3 tracking mods. So I strongly reccomend that Rokh keeps its unique range bonus, and have it reduced to 5% per level Optimal. This way, other races can compete with the rokh, given the new nerfs to range in Trinity, which does not effect rokh much at all due to its masses of mids + Excessive optimal Bonus. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Sharkk	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:58:00 - [10] Oh god, its like a talking parrot Nerf rohk....bwark...nerf rohk
Lazarann Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.09 09:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:41:42 Shooting 249km is something not possible with some other races. Even with NO optimal bonus, a hybrid user has a higher optimal with 2 tracking mods than a, say, Amarr Tachy user with 3 tracking mods. So I strongly reccomend that Rokh keeps its unique range bonus, and have it reduced to 5% per level Optimal. This way, other races can compete with the rokh, given the new nerfs to range in Trinity, which does not effect rokh much at all due to its masses of mids + Excessive optimal Bonus. Ships are different to make the game interesting and make all situations different. If each ship was exactly the same, the game would be boring fast. The Rokh may have superb range, but it's damage is meh, where a ship with a damage bonus won't have quite the same range, but it will be able to out damage the Rokh. Also, since most sniping setups require a good amount of mid slots, the Rokh's other bonus becomes mostly useless when sniping. Where other ships, like the Megathron, can use both of their bonuses (tracking and damage) when sniping .
Dreadpilot Roberts Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.09 10:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:17:26 The rokh has a major problem in that it has a massive optimal that makes it overpowered. The optimal bonus of 10% is far to much for other races to compete with, since tracking mods were nerfed. Some races, e.g Amarr, need to fit 4-5 Tracking mods to compete with rokh. I strongly reccomend that the rokh optimal bonus gets changed to a 5% optimal bonus to reflect new changes in Trinity. Or perhaps a 10% cap use one. hahah, again the whining imbecile I'm sorry, did I say u could speak ?
Kei Nagase Minmatar Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.12.09 10:08:00 - [13] You know. Ammar Lasers are rather overpowered. They have the highest DPS in the game. My 150mm Autocannons can not keep up with the DPS given by an Ammar Battleship.. Even with no Heatsinks... I strongly recommend nerfing Ammar if Jojo has his way. Bwak.. Nerf Jojo AxOatAo
Rei Crye	Posted - 2007.12.09 10:09:00 - [14] What? how is this really a problem? I mean really. Unless there is a very slim chance that a whole fleet is using rohks, the FC will still have to warp them into a range that the majority of his/her battleships can engage a target. I really don't see how this is a problem.
Polly Prissypantz	Posted - 2007.12.09 10:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:41:42 Shooting 249km is something not possible with some other races. Even with NO optimal bonus, a hybrid user has a higher optimal with 2 tracking mods than a, say, Amarr Tachy user with 3 tracking mods. So I strongly reccomend that Rokh keeps its unique range bonus, and have it reduced to 5% per level Optimal. This way, other races can compete with the rokh, given the new nerfs to range in Trinity, which does not effect rokh much at all due to its masses of mids + Excessive optimal Bonus. Dude, have you seen the omgwtfpwn DPS that a Rokh spews out at 249km? That 100dps (maybe 200dps if you're l33t) is going to melt your unsuspecting (and unwarp-scrammed) targets. OMFG WHY AREN'T WE ALL FLYING SNIPER ROKHS?!?
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.12.09 11:46:00 - [16] Edited by: Acoco Osiris on 09/12/2007 11:47:55 Actually, this guy has a point! We need to make every ship the exact same so as to balance EVE! Stop making these threads, you're not amusing anyone. The Rokh shines in that it can do something no other battleship can-realistically snipe from 250km. In most other roles, it stinks, you know why? Because other battleships were designed to fit those roles, and are superior to every other ship in that one role.
Aerin Cloudfayr Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.09 12:01:00 - [17] I'm snorting so hard here it's making me dizzy @.o I was really hoping I could catch a whiff of sarcasm but you're serious here :( Rokhs hold true by carrying the Caldari racial bonuses - are you sure you want to deprive Caldari of their dedicated sniper platforms? Perhaps it's better to employ a stacking penalty or a role penalty to the use of tracking computers - conflicting with on-board tracking systems? either way, the ship alone fulfils its specialised role quite well - Tachyons at this range are frightening O.o
Karrade Krise	Posted - 2007.12.09 12:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:17:26 I strongly reccomend that the rokh optimal bonus gets changed to a 5% optimal bonus to reflect new changes in Trinity. Or perhaps a 10% cap use one. I strongly recommend you stop making a hundred threads on things YOU think should be changed. CCP just put up Trinity, I'm sure they've got a lot of work to do getting bugs and REAL issues fixxed... Sig locked, I will not make fun of the forum mods
Neuromandis	Posted - 2007.12.09 15:17:00 - [19] I try to be reasonable and polite on forums... But please STFU you don't know WTF you are talking about, it's not even funny... Thanks... --- If someone else from my Corporation or Alliance agrees with me, he will say so. Assume nobody does :) --- WTB: Scorpion wing (left)
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2007.12.09 15:29:00 - [20] If this gets nerfed then so does the Megathron. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa, Itamo, or Sobaseki to jo
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.12.09 15:46:00 - [21] Too bad the Rokh can't hit a moon in a 20km Orbit, hits with the strength of a wet towel and have to shield tank which leaves little room for modules to compensate... Pinky - I'm a nice guy!! But hook me up with some pew pew, because I'm really bored...
Bailian Moxtain Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.09 18:18:00 - [22] stop the whining, train for it instead... *- made in Norway -*
Lil Mule	Posted - 2007.12.09 18:58:00 - [23] Clearly this monkey doesnt fly a Rokh, and never has even sat in one. Also its clear he was just popped by one at a long range. Let me give you the low down on Rokh's there junior, as I actually do fly one, and I actually do use it in PVP fleet battles. 1) Whoever posted that their range is rarely ever used is absolutely correct. In the ops Ive been in (which are many), the FC gets the fleet to warp at 150-180 to the gate or POS. The Rokh, using its stellar 249 KM range, is obviously not being utilized at this range. Being the super long range champ that I am, I often move off to at least 200 KM's - at which point I get my ass chewed for being out so far. It does actually make me a bigger target being farther out in fleet battles, because Im that sucker, floating out there by myself. Why? because its easy to primary the idiot sitting by themselves because its easier to find in the crowd and lock. 2) Damage. The damage is pathetic on the Rokh. I use a complete T2 fit, with some Mag stabs, usually I hit at around 140-230 per shot. The average being 170. I might as well be tickling an elephant when I shoot my guns at most large targets. 3) Range. I cannot even hit a stationary BS at 30 KM's. If anything gets that close to me, Im screwed, I cant hit anything. So in the case where you have a Cov Ops, which comes up to me, because Im the idiot sitting at 249 KM's from the gate by myself, and they have a number of their smaller ships warp to 0 at the Cov Ops, Im dead in record time 4) No tank with a sniper setup. There you go, you know the weaknesses of the Rokh now, exploit at will. Its not the uber ship you think it is.
Laila Eldgorn	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:17:26 The rokh has a major problem in that it has a massive optimal that makes it overpowered. The optimal bonus of 10% is far to much for other races to compete with, since tracking mods were nerfed. Some races, e.g Amarr, need to fit 4-5 Tracking mods to compete with rokh. I strongly reccomend that the rokh optimal bonus gets changed to a 5% optimal bonus to reflect new changes in Trinity. Or perhaps a 10% cap use one. Yeah range bonus is way too uber. Let's change it to damage bonus instead please! With projectiles.
Kyle Frost Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:10:00 - [25] There should be some sort of penalty for ignorant people who make threads like this one. My tolerance for stupidity decreases rapidly when i read such posts.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:35:00 - [26] Other snipers outdps my rokh. Please bring that into line CCPPCPCPCPCPPCPCPCPCPCpCPCPCpp111 People complain about the weirdest ****
Naviset	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:38:00 - [27] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/12/2007 09:17:26 The rokh has a major problem in that it has a massive optimal that makes it overpowered. The optimal bonus of 10% is far to much for other races to compete with, since tracking mods were nerfed. Some races, e.g Amarr, need to fit 4-5 Tracking mods to compete with rokh. I strongly reccomend that the rokh optimal bonus gets changed to a 5% optimal bonus to reflect new changes in Trinity. Or perhaps a 10% cap use one. We're sorry you play Amarr and you think theres something wrong with them. Ask any of the older, Decent Amarr pilots. They're not as bad as you'd like to act they are.
Kamen SRBI Circle 0f Two	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:01:00 - [28] I am a Caldari pilot, who himself was in need of a "boost", but the OP does have a point and here is why: Argument: Trinity-nerfed tracking computer gives 15% optimal. 4 tracking comp IIs (stacking nerfed) + 1/2 cap recharger II (due to cap spending) on a Rokh = (about equals) level 4-5 rail bonus on Rokh Invulnerability Field gives 25% to all resists. 1 invu field + 1/2 cap recharger II on a Rokh = level 5 bonus on Rokh Basically CCP gave 4 tracking computers to Rokh. Something that I always hated about this game -- CCP has to get their facts straight: Give a fircken unit of mesurement to ship bonuses, rigs and such and the game would be much more fun because no ships would be overpowered that much. ------------------------------------------------ (Recruiting ad) SRBI regrutuju! Dodjite na nas javni SRBI kanal.
Xzar Fyrarr	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:06:00 - [29] Linkage All there is to say about the op ^ \|
DARTHxFREE G.R.U.N.T	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr Linkage All there is to say about the op ^ \| omg that's just hilarius, who wants to be a millionare "which of the following is the largest?" A A Peanut B An Elephant C The Moon D A Kettle and she picks B! g'darn why do I think women with an IQ of 9 are so cute /join Cheeze & Whine Club

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