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Netacq	Posted - 2007.12.09 11:32:00 - [1] Edited by: Netacq on 09/12/2007 11:32:09 ...nothing more to say... __ Pod-Killers: would also kill people in real life. React! Bann it. Forward personal data of such peoples to local authorities. They are potential murder.
William Hartas Caldari OcUK	Posted - 2007.12.09 14:28:00 - [2] but but but but but but but but
Shionoya Risa Caldari The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2007.12.09 14:32:00 - [3] Originally by: Netacq Edited by: Netacq on 09/12/2007 11:32:09 ...nothing more to say... Epic fail. ----- Quote: Argh! Natural light, get it off me! Get it off me!
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.15 17:03:00 - [4] Please remove head from @ss. <~ sig starts here My Skills
Incantare Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.15 17:04:00 - [5] Edited by: Incantare on 15/12/2007 17:05:18 Maybe they should remove roids from belts as well.
Pseudo Ucksth Collegium Mechanicae	Posted - 2007.12.15 17:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Netacq Edited by: Netacq on 09/12/2007 11:32:09 Pod-Killers: would also kill people in real life. React! Bann it. Forward personal data of such peoples to local authorities. They are potential murder. Haha, oh wow. Whoever you are, I like you. ______
Lothros Andastar Gallente Divine Assembly of Forgotten Travelers Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.15 18:44:00 - [7] wow epic fail Not to OP: its DEflation. Learn your economics first moron
Lelulie	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:30:00 - [8] Erm what, how would the current issue be deflation and be solved through removing isk injection to the game. Wts economics clue to an economics internet troll.
Maximillian Dragonard	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:35:00 - [9] Apparently economics isn't taught in school these days....
Hanno Mir	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Netacq ...nothing more to say... So they have to remove bounties because you say please? Cool! CCP reduce cycle time on mining lasers by 70% and add a 2000% bonus to yield on my barge PLEASE!
Katana Seiko Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.15 20:44:00 - [11] ...don't forgt the cargo boost and the 1.000.000 m¦ Cargo for my freighter, please. For those that failed the economics class in school: INflation = there's more money, your money becomes less and less value, prices rise. DEflation = there's less money, your money becomes more and more value, prices fall. (Cool, two times same ammount of letters) So, maybe someone should add an other ISK sink - maybe give the Amarr ammunition. Up to now they don't use up their Laser crystals... --- This is your Captain speaking. Thank you for flying with our spaceline. Please remain seated until the ship has completely burned out. Thank you.
Davrin Fey'Alar	Posted - 2007.12.16 01:01:00 - [12] I think... to be fair, what the OP failed to take into account is that the EVE economy continually grows. It is worth more in total ISK value now, than it was 5 minutes ago. It's fine that we have products in the economy, but we need money to use as a medium to represent value. You can't have a system where no new money is injected, because that would restrict the growth of the economy by drastically increasing the value of the ISK compared to commodities which are continually produced. (The economy would continue to grow, but there would be less money per item in the system.) If you don't keep introducing money, you end up with a situation where players haven't got very much, and can't trade effectively, which will eventually force the economy into standstill. The balance to the constant introduction of money (from NPC bounty, Mission payments, and other forms of NPC buy) is the ISK sink... anything you buy from an NPC. That money just vanishes from the economy. (This regulates inflation, where items start to cost ridiculous amounts of ISK because there is too much of it in the system.) This is a great system because we don't need a central bank to regulate the ISK and set rates of interest, etc. Instead, players buy skills and other NPC supplied items (such as POS parts) when they can afford them, Hopefully, you now understand why you would utterly destroy a wonderful and unique player driven economy by removing NPC bounty money. (Oh, as well as any reason to kill the rats in the first place..)
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.16 01:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Kery Nysell Please remove head from @ss. <---- Original Originally by: Kery Nysell Please remove head from ass. <---- Fixed -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Ulstan	Posted - 2007.12.16 03:09:00 - [14] Better yet, remove NPC's altogether!
Trent0r Caldari Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.16 03:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Ulstan Better yet, remove NPC's altogether! Ah then yo wont have any more gate rats that attack haulers
Kvarium Ki Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 08:11:00 - [16] Edited by: Kvarium Ki on 16/12/2007 08:12:22 Since there is no foreign currency to compare the isk to there is nothing wrong with inflation or deflation in EVE, even if both where hyper. If each "nation" in eve had it's own currency.. now THAT would be very cool. You could compare the Caldari isk to the Minmatar isk, would make for very fun import/exports.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.16 08:43:00 - [17] Originally by: Kvarium Ki Edited by: Kvarium Ki on 16/12/2007 08:12:22 Since there is no foreign currency to compare the isk to there is nothing wrong with inflation or deflation in EVE, even if both where hyper. If each "nation" in eve had it's own currency.. now THAT would be very cool. You could compare the Caldari isk to the Minmatar isk, would make for very fun import/exports. And Caldari currency would have a incredible level of deflation as 505 of the NPCing is in Caldari territory.
Cey Shirii Gallente Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.12.16 09:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Netacq Edited by: Netacq on 09/12/2007 11:32:09 ...nothing more to say... __ Pod-Killers: would also kill people in real life. React! Bann it. Forward personal data of such peoples to local authorities. They are potential murder. I agree, getting bounties for killing NPC's is preposterous. So is getting skill points from training learning skills. Bah! those are not skills at all, they're just implants that aren't really implants and better and can be used 5 times! They should be removed from EVE immediately, or I will cancel my account.
Ammon Skycloud Caldari Matari Research Foundation Empire Research	Posted - 2007.12.17 00:04:00 - [19] yet another armchair economist
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 00:50:00 - [20] There is no inflation in the Eve economy at this moment. Instead there is slight deflation. We might start getting a little bit of inflation come next year, but it's not exactly to the point where it's a real problem.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.12.17 03:04:00 - [21] if you read the report, you'll see there is the inflation, there is deflation. the wroth of isk is going up not down. Official fanboy of jenny< pink supporter! looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.12.17 03:15:00 - [22] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 17/12/2007 03:15:02 Originally by: Netacq Edited by: Netacq on 09/12/2007 11:32:09 ...nothing more to say... __ Pod-Killers: would also kill people in real life. React! Bann it. Forward personal data of such peoples to local authorities. They are potential murder. 7/10 Good concept, sloppy execution. If you'd typed more you'd have more replies. Now, back under your bridge. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Dzajic Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.17 11:44:00 - [23] Well, actually, ISK can be compared to RL $$$, and there is where inflation takes place. Due to silly amounts of ISK in hands of macro farmers and ISK resellers, GTC prices have gone up over 50% in last 6 months.
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2007.12.17 16:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Dzajic Well, actually, ISK can be compared to RL $$$, and there is where inflation takes place. Due to silly amounts of ISK in hands of macro farmers and ISK resellers, GTC prices have gone up over 50% in last 6 months. Forbidden things can't be taken into account... I honestly don't care at all about the isk price for real currencies. What I see is my favorite ship's price didn't change (for T1, invention changed the prices of many T2 ships : as in decreased prices for AS and increased for commands). Many rare named modules decreased in price. I'm richer than before because I'm more efficient with the new ships I can fly, but the new ships I can fly are more expensive. It's just the same for everyone and the high end good are sold in greater volume than before. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Say hello to my tiny friends !
Dzajic Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.17 22:32:00 - [25] GTC trade isn't illegal. Its being quite supported by CCP. Illegal actions had had a negative impact on it.
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.12.18 01:28:00 - [26] I would like to see the 0.0 bounty removed. 0.0 is law-less, so why should Concord bother and pay-out bounty? Okay, this would make 0.0 far less profitable, but this could be compensated with more valuable goods/items and not direct ISKs.
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.18 01:58:00 - [27] Sure im all for this, after missions will just give out LPs and no isk anymore and after all lvl4 q10+ agents are moved to 0.0. - - - Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
Davrin Fey'Alar	Posted - 2007.12.18 02:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Gordon Red I would like to see the 0.0 bounty removed. 0.0 is law-less, so why should Concord bother and pay-out bounty? Okay, this would make 0.0 far less profitable, but this could be compensated with more valuable goods/items and not direct ISKs. Interesting. How would you resolve the fact that your idea would destroy one of the primary ways in which the EVE economy is regulated? Increase mission payouts perhaps? Make mission runners richer? There's some trickle down economics for you!!
Shade Millith	Posted - 2007.12.18 07:44:00 - [29] Originally by: DrAtomic Sure im all for this, after missions will just give out LPs and no isk anymore and after all lvl4 q10+ agents are moved to 0.0. My thoughts as well. Despite that I believe that the OP is a troll
Mawnee	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:27:00 - [30] American employers should stop paying thier emplyees until the Dollar has doubled in value. That will fix the economy!
Luthair StoneDog Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.12.19 02:47:00 - [31] Could I point out that CCP has an actual qualified economist on staff? This is an absolutely ridiculous idea. NPC bounty is one of the means by which new money is minted in EVE, and buying things from NPCs is one of the ways in which it is removed. Think about it like this... here is a weird, but fitting analogy for you. We all drink water.... and then we sweat or pee it out (we also exhale a lot but that's besides the point.) When we are little baby people, we drink only a little, we retain a certain amount in our body, and we get rid of it about the same rate we take it in. As we grow, we take more in, get rid of more, and have more in us at any one time. If we become nice and big and fat, we'll have a lot more water in us at any one time than we would if we were leaner and meaner... (Big and fat meaning a super duper economy, just in case the weird analogy was losing anybody) Anyway. If you reduce the amount you drink (removing NPC bounty for example) you'll dehydrate yourself... your body will struggle to carry out its normal functions (stifled economy) with a reduced amount of water. (and you'll have less going out.. skill prices don't change, but if the value of the ISK starts to rise dramatically as it would if you had less coming in, skills would become drastically more expensive in real terms.) It's an odd analogy I know.. but I think it works.
Granth Roden	Posted - 2007.12.21 15:47:00 - [32] There has been deflation in many things, particularly the T2 market (t1 went down too) Which means currently my money buys a LOT more crap!! There was inflation in some stuff, some faction ships, mods and so on, but overall its gone down HARD. For example, Cerberus were up to 200mil+, now you get one for 80mil
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2007.12.21 16:59:00 - [33] Originally by: Granth Roden There has been deflation in many things, particularly the T2 market (t1 went down too) Which means currently my money buys a LOT more crap!! There was inflation in some stuff, some faction ships, mods and so on, but overall its gone down HARD. For example, Cerberus were up to 200mil+, now you get one for 80mil For T2, with the invention, it is really hard to compare... But, yes, T1 stuff isn't more expensive than it was before. And ccp's economist looked at all incomes and the amount of isk it created and the sinks and the fact that people dont spend it all... If something goes wrong, he will point it out. By the way, he already said that the shuttles were too cheap considering the tritanium prices lately. Anyway, every change pushed the prices in a way, and then people go to stick on the more profitable, if minerals raise, people will mine. If it lowers, people will do something else. If you think that something you can get yourself is too expensive, do it yourself! It's mainly true for low end minerals, everyone can mine them. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Talsha Talamar Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2007.12.21 18:50:00 - [34] Burn Haeretic.. ... in a very merry jolly and trolly festive way of course..
Norjia Blacksteel Gallente Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2007.12.21 19:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Kvarium Ki Since there is no foreign currency to compare the isk to there is nothing wrong with inflation or deflation in EVE, even if both where hyper. Wrong. Hyperinflation or hyperdeflation would suck from a gameplay perspective. Imagine earning 100 mil to buy a hulk, but you gotta log off before making the 8 jumps to go get it. Next day, the price is 150 mil. ---- Norjia Blacksteel CEO Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
El'essar Viocragh Minmatar FSK23	Posted - 2007.12.21 19:56:00 - [36] If there is a way to make it work, a financial system similar to classic battletech might be fun. C-Notes as a central currency, provided by Concord (and the letter even fits, that has to be a sign) and house currencies from the empires. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.22 02:50:00 - [37] One word: insurance ___________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well - Please stop using the word 'nerf' Nothing spells 'incompetence' or 'don't take me serious' like those four letters
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.22 04:22:00 - [38] Originally by: Dzajic GTC trade isn't illegal. Its being quite supported by CCP. Illegal actions had had a negative impact on it. All this does is move isk, and since as the isk changes value so does the ammount asked for --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Viper G	Posted - 2007.12.22 06:35:00 - [39] I have a better idea. Remove all loot and isk from the game, this way there can be no inflation or deflation.
Buyerr	Posted - 2007.12.22 07:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Maximillian Dragonard Apparently economics isn't taught in school these days.... naa he most be from the u.s.a. would explain the lack of knowledge in certain areas ;) hehe
Buyerr	Posted - 2007.12.22 07:31:00 - [41] Originally by: Viper G I have a better idea. Remove all loot and isk from the game, this way there can be no inflation or deflation. actually their would be.. until no body had any isk left that is, and every one would have to make everything they use them self since their would be no point to give away free stuff and their would be no currency to pay for it*s or people would only be able to trade if they had what the other guy wanted.. but highly unlikely in most cases.

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