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Warcaster	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:43:00 - [1] Hi all new to this so bare with me. My rig: AMD 64 X2Dual core 4600+ 2.41GHz 1GB Corsair DDR2 400 RAM 250GB Seagate SATA HD Nvidia GeForce 7300GT 256MB PCIe Windows XP SP2 I have been running 2 accounts for some time now on the rig above and have had no problems with it at all. Since the trinity upgrade however i simply cannot run the 2 accounts together with the premium graphics. (though they run smoother than ever together with the 'classics' set) I know the first port of call is to up the ram to 2GB but i'm doubtful that this will solve the problem. I was wondering if anyone could suggest a course of action for upgrading my rig to support 2 accounts. (so far i have been unable to find anyone that is comfortably running 2 simultaneous accounts) Please tell me theres a way. Thanks
Asilah Na'kani Freed Radicals	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:46:00 - [2] You can always install another client, so you have one with the premium graphics and one with the classics. I dunno why you cannot run 2xPremium graphics, perhaps because of the video card?
Warcaster	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:48:00 - [3] Originally by: Asilah Na'kani You can always install another client, so you have one with the premium graphics and one with the classics. I dunno why you cannot run 2xPremium graphics, perhaps because of the video card? Any suggestions on a Gcard that would support 2? from the little i've been able to find on here nobody seems to have had any success in running 2 premies together. i have no idea how i would install a second 'classics' client without overriding the premium one :(
Jaabaa Prime Quam Singulari The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:50:00 - [4] I would suggest asking in the Windows forum, there are quite a few questions along these lines there, your question might even be answered already. --
Amandrace Minmatar Archon Industries	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:52:00 - [5] Edited by: Amandrace on 09/12/2007 23:53:10 I have a core2extreme and geforce 8800gtx, 4gb ram, and I used to be able to run 4 of my 5 clients just fine on one machine. I tried 5, but it just lagged too much, so that one runs on a seperate computer. at any rate, when I tried running all 4 clients on premium graphics now, all settings maxed like i had with classic, I just could not do it. what worked for me was setting the shadows to low; I think there was just not enough VRAM to cache the shadow effects for 4 clients, and for you, 2.
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.10 00:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Amandrace Edited by: Amandrace on 09/12/2007 23:53:10 I have a core2extreme and geforce 8800gtx, 4gb ram, and I used to be able to run 4 of my 5 clients just fine on one machine. I tried 5, but it just lagged too much, so that one runs on a seperate computer. at any rate, when I tried running all 4 clients on premium graphics now, all settings maxed like i had with classic, I just could not do it. what worked for me was setting the shadows to low; I think there was just not enough VRAM to cache the shadow effects for 4 clients, and for you, 2. Thats like going 'So, I tried to play farcry, and i could run 4 copies at once. Then I tried Crysis, and my computer broke. Buuhuu fix it! --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
mechtech Silver Snake Enterprise	Posted - 2007.12.10 00:11:00 - [7] I keep my main on premium graphics, other accounts on classic graphics. One window can provide enough shininess for them all!
Raine Albus Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.10 00:44:00 - [8] Well I have the following comp: Core 2 Duo E6430 overclocked to 3.6Ghz 4GB PC8500 RAM 8800GT 512MB XFX 150GB Raptor Vista Home Premium 32bit I can run a single client no problems with AA and everything on high, but 2 clients and they both run like dogs, eventually crashing and closing down. Had a few crashes actually even with a single client running. HHmm Latest nvidia drivers too.
Blind Man Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.10 00:47:00 - [9] when will people realize eve is not longer a little 150mb ram using application that you can have 4 copies running, eve will now take everything your comp has (usually)... give it 2-3 years and you can run multiple clients smooth again
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.10 00:51:00 - [10] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 10/12/2007 00:51:19 P4 3Ghz w/HT 1GB RAM 6800GT Runs two premium clients at 1600x1200 with shadows on normal, HDR turned off, with playable framerates when sitting outside a trade hub. I've had the two clients open for hours with no problems. I have noticed that you get punished for resolution much more with this client, dropping the res just a bit can make a big difference. My machine can't really do higher than 1600x1200 on the premium graphics, whereas it can go as high as my monitor well let it with the classic. - DesuSigs
Jack Freely	Posted - 2007.12.10 00:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Blind Man when will people realize eve is not longer a little 150mb ram using application that you can have 4 copies running, eve will now take everything your comp has (usually)... give it 2-3 years and you can run multiple clients smooth again Or just run the 2 programs with the old graphics and don't worry about the new ones
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:02:00 - [12] Edited by: Malcanis on 10/12/2007 01:04:06 Originally by: Warcaster Hi all new to this so bare with me. My rig: AMD 64 X2Dual core 4600+ 2.41GHz 1GB Corsair DDR2 400 RAM 250GB Seagate SATA HD Nvidia GeForce 7300GT 256MB PCIe Windows XP SP2 I have been running 2 accounts for some time now on the rig above and have had no problems with it at all. Since the trinity upgrade however i simply cannot run the 2 accounts together with the premium graphics. (though they run smoother than ever together with the 'classics' set) I know the first port of call is to up the ram to 2GB but i'm doubtful that this will solve the problem. I was wondering if anyone could suggest a course of action for upgrading my rig to support 2 accounts. (so far i have been unable to find anyone that is comfortably running 2 simultaneous accounts) Please tell me theres a way. Thanks My PC spazzes out if I try and run 2 premium clients. Locked up so bad I have to switch it off at the power socket, and made this god-awful noise. First time I rebooted, my motherboard gave the "no video card detected" error noise.... but when I rebooted again everything was fine. I'll stick to Standard. EDT: C2D 6400 @ 2.53Ghz 7900GS at standard settings 2Gb DDR-800 at auto settings. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Stefan F Enrave Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:12:00 - [13] Its just your memory. I'm thinking of upping my memory from 2GB to 8GB to be abled to run 4 clients again smoothly.
Raine Albus Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:23:00 - [14] Well i just ran the two clients again and this time both in fulllscreen and they run flawlessly just like i was running one, so the problem seems to be only when they are both windowed. Well for me anyway.
Ex0101 Gallente Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.10 01:55:00 - [15] I run two clients in windowed mode with premium graphics, shadows in high, hdr enabled and bloom on low, Cache on low, with no issues...both hold at around 75fps inspace. Core2Duo [email protected] 2GB TwinXMS DDR2 1:1 Sapphire x1950Pro@Stock Those that have said they run for a while then crash, you have set your cache to low or off to avoid the memory leak issue havent you? --
Raine Albus Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.10 02:08:00 - [16] Ah ha ! thanks mate turned my cache to low and can run it windowed now woop thanks alot
Gallente Clerk	Posted - 2007.12.10 03:08:00 - [17] Aha, a contest! I want to enter! Core2Quad @ 3ghz 4gb DDR2 800 X1800xt 512mb I run one client with classic, and one with premium, HDR + shadows med, and it's smooth as butter. ------
Kritinana Minmatar Dark Empire Fleet	Posted - 2007.12.10 03:51:00 - [18] Can run two clients on premium just fine. No hdr though, there's a noticable difference for me w/ hdr even on a single client. 2x 2.8ghz xeons 512mb nvidia 3gb ram
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.10 04:02:00 - [19] Edited by: Janu Hull on 10/12/2007 04:02:24 two windowed clients, premium content, no bloom, low shadows, low cache. Not perfectly smooth, but enough to run both in the belts without trouble. P4 2.93GHz, 2.25gb PC2700, x1600Pro 512MB PCI-E
Warcaster	Posted - 2007.12.10 07:36:00 - [20] thanks for the response guys. by the looks i need to : (a) up the ram to min 2gb. (is it worth going up to 4gb?) (b) stronger gpu (looking at the sapphire x1950pro 512mb, good/bad?) (c) run my primary account with premium and my alt on classics. (how do i do this? when i uncheck classics while running the 1 in premium it shuts it down and restarts it. so i've either had both in classics or 2 premium slideshows)
Emmaline Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille	Posted - 2007.12.10 07:51:00 - [21] Edited by: Emmaline on 10/12/2007 07:51:31 Originally by: Warcaster thanks for the response guys. by the looks i need to : (a) up the ram to min 2gb. (is it worth going up to 4gb?) (b) stronger gpu (looking at the sapphire x1950pro 512mb, good/bad?) (c) run my primary account with premium and my alt on classics. (how do i do this? when i uncheck classics while running the 1 in premium it shuts it down and restarts it. so i've either had both in classics or 2 premium slideshows) (a) WinXP 32bit 2-3gb will do fine as you can't really use more then 3gb on a 32bit OS, if you plan to change to Vista64 go with 4gb. (b) I prefer Nvidia myself, better Linux support (might change for ATI soonish(tm)) perhaps look into the new 8800GT series which is a lot of GPU power for the $$ spent.
TerrorWOLF PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.10 07:59:00 - [22] P4 3.0 nVidia GeForce 7600GS 256MB AGP WinXP Runing a Premium and a Classic client together FPS are 30-50 on Premium. And Settings are 1440x900, Shadows Off, HDR Off, AAx2, FAAx2 May Your Death Be Slow And Painful
princess katie	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:33:00 - [23] this is a good set up: Asus extreem MOBO nVidia SLi 7900GTX or just 1 x 7900GTX better still use the great card nVidia 8800 GT (new out)not the GTX version. great price and low power. SATA 2 and a min of 2 gig (GO) DDR2 800,s If you wish to economize on that just upgrade (costing 180-250 dollars) to the nVIDIA 8800GT. of course a new CPU would help if you existing CPU is nearing its mark <cntl alt del> if so change the CPU to the fantastic (intel)Q6600 I say fantastic because of its price of 180 Dollars (after the 40% price drop) The new ishh Q6700 is also great but is double the cost. The QX 6600 and Q6700 are basically the Q range, the QX6600 is 11% faster than the Q6600 but is conciderably more expensive. The comparrisons to use in this are the older E6600 and E6700 dual core . Its a fact that dual core is faster (just) than its Quad sisters BUT the market and the trend is moving more to Quad and away from dual. In the sinario of games a Dual core is probably the best apart from Supreme Commander that is. but if you are running more than just one game or other functions then the Quad cores out shine the dual. The benchmarks of the extreme versions to the basics CPU like the Q compared to the QX in my experience are nominal and if your willing to spend almost double then OK but that doesnt mean they are a wise choice. so to recap. if you wish to play 2 / 3 or even 4 accounts in eve or you have other jobs like 3D work or CGA work then a good basic answer would be (inexpensive) 1 x nVidia 8800GT 1 x Q6600 just those 2 items will allow you to use 2/3 acounts (a little more cost) would get you 2(or 1) x (SLi) 7900 GT/x 1 x Q6700 and if your plain out right crazy wealthy 1 (or) 2 x nVIDIA 8800 Ultra (2 in Sli) 1 x QX 6850 2 gig DDR2 H/D SATA 2 Mobo one of the 2 extremes (ASUS) (remebering if you upgrade to the 8800 ultra nVidia you will need to upgrade the PSU if Sli 1000w if not min is 750 (advisable) Also look at the heat in the QX range as you may then need a Ninja or some sort of internal cooling.
princess katie	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:41:00 - [24] one last point ref: the CPU the older E6600 was and is a great CPU better in many cases to its sister the E6700 The reasons are simple. the E6600 comes out at 2.4 and the E6700 I belive is 2.9 but the E6600 is very easy to overclock and to get 3.5 isnt a problem. Whereas the E6700 is what it is 2.9 so if you cant O/c CPU,s the E6700 is better but if you can then the E6600 is.( these are both Dual cores)
Eck Hauler X.S. Industries	Posted - 2007.12.10 08:44:00 - [25] Core2Duo e6300 @ 3.25Ghz 2GB Ram @924Mhz Nvid 7950GT 512Mb Can run 3 in space in missions, Premium but no HDR. At a push 4 with one in a station
Warcaster	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:27:00 - [26] cool thanks for all your advice guys. could someone tell me how exactly i can get 1 client to run as premium and 1 as classic? so far every attempt i've had at doing this has ended with the client having to restart to initiate changes. when this happens it closes both characters not just the one i was altering and restarts them both with the changes. so please could someone give me a step by step of how to get 2 working with 1 on premium and 1classic. thanks
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:30:00 - [27] Ok, I am running a pos laptop (my sys crashed before bootini) and I am able to run two clients using Trinity Classic. I think I will try three tonight and let you know how it goes. ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
kessah Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:39:00 - [28] heh if ur running vista id say 2gb ram is guna make you alot better off. Vista sucks. ------ [Video] Forever Pirate 4
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:00:00 - [29] Originally by: Warcaster cool thanks for all your advice guys. could someone tell me how exactly i can get 1 client to run as premium and 1 as classic? so far every attempt i've had at doing this has ended with the client having to restart to initiate changes. when this happens it closes both characters not just the one i was altering and restarts them both with the changes. so please could someone give me a step by step of how to get 2 working with 1 on premium and 1classic. thanks Have you tried installing EvE twice? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Vechloran	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:23:00 - [30] Your system has two issues that are going to make it hard for you to run dual clients. 1. Your RAM, its a little low for running two games at the same time, get it up to 2gigs, easy upgrade, and it will improve your overall system alot. 2. Your video card. If your a serious gamer you need to learn how ATI and NVidia rate their cards for power. The first digit (6XXX, 7XXX, 8XXX) refers to the family and the feature set, not directly to power or speed. The second digit is a better judge of power, with the X2XX-X4XX cards being the low end budget for grandma cards, X5XX-X7XX being the price to performance niche, good if your monitor doesn't run at super high res, and the X8XX-X9XX being the creame of the crop and generally overpriced at times. For people that think a 8400 will beat all the previous versions, be prepared to get your FPS handed to you by a few year old 6800GTS. So your 7300 is a huge bottle neck at the moment, I would suggest an upgrade to a 8800GT, they are new, but come in at around $250, and generally stomp all but the highest end cards at the moment. If you have to go lower, I would suggest trying to stay above $150 for a decent gaming video card, otherwise your in the budget card land, and no one wants to be there. Hope this helps.
Warcaster	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:22:00 - [31] Edited by: Warcaster on 11/12/2007 16:26:18 Edited by: Warcaster on 11/12/2007 16:25:56 Originally by: Malcanis Have you tried installing EvE twice? wont that just simplye overwrite the 1st install and leave me with only 1 eve anyway? Originally by: Vechloran 2. Your video card. If your a serious gamer you need to learn how ATI and NVidia rate their cards for power. The first digit (6XXX, 7XXX, 8XXX) refers to the family and the feature set, not directly to power or speed. The second digit is a better judge of power, with the X2XX-X4XX cards being the low end budget for grandma cards, X5XX-X7XX being the price to performance niche, good if your monitor doesn't run at super high res, and the X8XX-X9XX being the creame of the crop and generally overpriced at times. For people that think a 8400 will beat all the previous versions, be prepared to get your FPS handed to you by a few year old 6800GTS. So your 7300 is a huge bottle neck at the moment, I would suggest an upgrade to a 8800GT, they are new, but come in at around $250, and generally stomp all but the highest end cards at the moment. If you have to go lower, I would suggest trying to stay above $150 for a decent gaming video card, otherwise your in the budget card land, and no one wants to be there. i've been told that sapphire is more attuned to AMD than nvidia. is this true and if so what card should i aim at?
Warcaster	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:48:00 - [32] Edited by: Warcaster on 27/12/2007 14:48:46 Sorry for the double post but i thought this was worth mentioning in a fresh post for all the other noobs out there that found it hard to find a straight answer to this problem. First of all thankyou to all those that gave advise, helpful or otherwise. its always good to have an active oog community. anyway I am now running 2 premium clients with no glitches, no crashes and not a huge drop in performance. Here is the new set up that will run 2 premium accounts simultaneously. AMD 64 X2Dual core 4600+ 2.41GHz 3GB Corsair DDR2 800 RAM 250GB Seagate SATA HD MSI Nvidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB PCIe Windows XP SP2 Software: all latest drivers 2 installations of EVE client(this was something that was never answered when i asked about it so i will quickly state it here, it really was simple) Go to the directory where you have installed EVE premium(default it is c:/program files/ccp/eve) copy the entire eve folder and paste the copy where ever you like (i pasted it back into the ccp folder and renamed it 'eve 2') go into the new folder and find the 'eve.exe' right click it and select send to... desktop (this will create a new shortcut on the desktop to this exe) and there you have it. you can run 1 account from the 1 shortcut and the 2nd from the other. I did try running them both of the 1 client with the new hardware but it just bombed out the performance (i was getting 5-10fps, shocking) looks like the only way to run more than 1 account smoothly in premium is to have more than 1 client. i hope that helps anyone thats looking for the same answer as me.
Arte Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.12.27 16:07:00 - [33] Edited by: Arte on 27/12/2007 16:08:29 For a frame of reference I thought I'd add my two cents (isk.. whatever). I was, until this morning, running: Athlon 64 3500+ 1GB pc2 4200 RAM. Nvidia 6150 le (on board graphics) and could expect, in station, about 30-40fps at best, with 1 or 20-30fps with 2 characters running off of the same client. Thanks to Santa's good will (the in-laws actually) I got a tiny amount of cash and bought a Geforce 8400. Nice and cheap but a definite improvement over the on-board graphics. With classic mode (on board graphics couldn't handle premium in reality although on paper it could) I shot up to 70fps in station and a comfortable 50-60fps in the belts. Didn't try with both characters. I upgraded to premium and my fps has dropped to 20-30fps again, but with both characters running. There is a choke when I do hi-load things like exiting stations and jumping into other systems but as I'm used to low fps, I am enjoying the beauty of premium content quite a lot at the moment. (I wonder how long that will last). I am not doing pvp at the moment so I'll take it for what it is. I have yet to try with two clients (only just done a complete reinstall of the OS) but by the time I get round to that, I will have received and installed an extra 2gig of RAM. If this thread continues, I'll try and post how much of an improvement it affords me.
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2007.12.27 16:30:00 - [34] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Amandrace Edited by: Amandrace on 09/12/2007 23:53:10 I have a core2extreme and geforce 8800gtx, 4gb ram, and I used to be able to run 4 of my 5 clients just fine on one machine. I tried 5, but it just lagged too much, so that one runs on a seperate computer. at any rate, when I tried running all 4 clients on premium graphics now, all settings maxed like i had with classic, I just could not do it. what worked for me was setting the shadows to low; I think there was just not enough VRAM to cache the shadow effects for 4 clients, and for you, 2. Thats like going 'So, I tried to play farcry, and i could run 4 copies at once. Then I tried Crysis, and my computer broke. Buuhuu fix it! Ahh .. beats "I can play crysis on my computer but it lags out on Vice city!!!" wich btw is true in my case LOL... sucks. Anyway, back to topic... I have tried to play on two accounts where there is 2 installs (2 different harddisks) and have problems playing with premium graphics... then again I play also EVE without sound so I don't lag out too much in normal mode also. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Dave LoveSlave	Posted - 2007.12.27 17:30:00 - [35] The premium graphics is extra, imo. I quickly downgraded, and currently run 3 installs, with 3GB RAM, and a 7800gtx np. Currently Eve uses far more RAM than it ever did, so the 3gigs is a necessity, for me at least.
Dave LoveSlave	Posted - 2007.12.27 17:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Warcaster Edited by: Warcaster on 11/12/2007 16:26:18 Edited by: Warcaster on 11/12/2007 16:25:56 Originally by: Malcanis Have you tried installing EvE twice? wont that just simplye overwrite the 1st install and leave me with only 1 eve anyway? No, when you're installing it you can specify a different folder. Just make a shortcut to the exe in that new folder.
Warcaster	Posted - 2007.12.28 02:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Dave LoveSlave Originally by: Warcaster Edited by: Warcaster on 11/12/2007 16:26:18 Edited by: Warcaster on 11/12/2007 16:25:56 Originally by: Malcanis Have you tried installing EvE twice? wont that just simplye overwrite the 1st install and leave me with only 1 eve anyway? No, when you're installing it you can specify a different folder. Just make a shortcut to the exe in that new folder. read my last post and you'll see that i've already solved this.
Armoured C Gallente Globaltech Industries Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.12.28 02:23:00 - [38] Im not a what you cll a gaming rig all i have is a 512 GeForce 200 se and 2 gig of ram but i am able to run everything on max for both clients ( installed seperatly of course) on premium graphics i have a acer T650 with some etra ram added into it that all really :S

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