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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.03.11 23:01:00 -
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Yeah but combat is almost as boring as mining / trading / mfr etc...
Once you've been in a couple dozen fights and know how to use your scanners well, it too is very binary. You win or you don't. Or I suppose someone could get away which is like a win anyway.
There are zero stats which measure how someone is doing in eve.
So what is the purpose? Since anyone can achieve anything with enough time?
I guess one could say that leeching time in one fashion or another is a mark for success. If I steal ore or shoot at somebody and their corp puts together a posse of 5 guys to hunt me for 30 minutes that's 2.5 hours of time I have taken from their corp and only given .5 of my corps time. I am now ahead.
If I destroy a 5mil cruiser of corp A and they ignore that and continue mining etc... then I have only cost them about 1 hour.
Nailing down the intention of eve to combat is like saying the intention of TV is for entertainment. While although that does seem to be a large focus it is also used VALIDLY for disseminating information.
To fill a couple gaps you left:
Agents are also used for:
1) Gaining faction so refining cost less.
2) Getting tech level II tools.
3) Distributing TII BPs.
Industry also consists of refining which has quite a large skill tree associated now. More to be added with the addition of mobile refineries.
I will agree with you that eve is shallow and needs more to do. But to suggest we should all plan for some percieved end game of flying to hell and back to take pot shots at people as they pass by your gate is naive.
Also glad to see you finally admit you use insta-bookmarks there Jash. I knew you were lying before.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.03.12 00:11:00 -
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Did they add NPC supply for TII tools? If not then from whom are you going to buy them if everyone takes your advice and ceases PvE?
This free megacyte you speek of, where does that come from?
I hate to say it but as much as you say it's all about combat the more you reaffirm the need for PvE.
You got to where you are primarily from PvE. m0o got into cruisers before everyone else because of PvE.
In fact one could say that the more PvP takes place the more PvE is required to fuel it.
Now since we have established that SOMEONE needs to PvE in order to drive the cycle then why can't people simply decide to not engage in the combat?
Does the pit crew matter in a race? Of course. Will these pit crew members ever drive professionally? No.
Combat is JUST as brain dead as say NPC hunting. Only someone who doesn't engage in much would think it is somehow exciting. It comes down to module load out and SPs. Just like mining, NPC hunting etc etc... once you know all the basics of how to use drones, missles and such then it becomes as routine as mining.
What separates a good miner from a poor miner experience, SP and modules. The same differences for combat.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.03.12 00:58:00 -
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People keep saying things like "Eve is more than just fighting!". Honestly, I don't believe so. Honestly, I believe that was exactly the original intent behind Eve. Or near enough that the difference can be easily lost. Let's look at the 'other' things to do in Eve.
Well if they just intended fighting then why not make only one way to make isk? They could have easily left out trading and mining and made everyone get there isk and minerals from NPCs and their loot.
I am not disputing how incredibly shallow ALL facets of eve are.
But as for the intent of eve, well it's just not there yet. They have a faction system that currently means little, but why program it if they never intended it to be part of the game?
Why did they add all the refining skill tree recently if they don't intend there to be more depth there?
One would have to find a purpose in the game in order to even attempt to define the original intent.
Maybe it's fame and glory? Well then if that's the case then griefing n00bs must be the intent of the game because there is no faster way to get your 'name in lights' than to sit in Yulai or some such and grief n00bs.
As someone else said "It's about the fun" I agree with that. What's in the game is meant to capture the attention of individuals long enough that they decide to continue their subs. That's all.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.03.12 08:58:00 -
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I'll make it more concise so that it can be understood:
"The original intent of Eve is to capture the attention of subscribers for as long a period as possible"
So what is the point of the original post? To demonstrate that one facet of eve is more shallow than another? I disagree I believe ALL facets of eve are equally shallow.
Or is this just the parable form of your cries for more depth in the game? It is clear that eve is beta-ware and I'm sure two full word count posts weren't required to make that statement either.
BTW: Jash, regardless of your use for insta-bookmarks, you have used them. You have stated in the past that you hadn't.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:39:00 -
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That right there said enough for most people. Getting shot in an industrial does not make you a participant in combat. And the fact of the matter is that those who actually do play the game 'as intended', participating in the conflict between players, tend to resist burning out much longer than people like you *****ing constantly about getting shot in an industrial. Because they're doing something other than whining about how they can't do nothing while increasing their wallet.
There you go lying again Jash or specualting could be a nicer term.
To date my corp mates and I have destroyed about 60 ships. About 20ish battleships 30ish cruisers and a sprinkle of indies and frigates. Have been involved in countless battles where ships were not lost (someone warps out etc...). I have been shot at (in an indy or BS another few dozen times).
Yeah the first few engagements got me going. But past that it is rather boring now.
Anyone who has been in a dozen or more engagements and still gets an increased pulse rate because of it is just easily excitable.
There is no big mystery to combat or in fitting a ship. Kind of similar to some of those card games like magic. One build can beat another build and some builds are competitive with others.
Speaking of laughs, it is rather funny that you speak of being an expert of this original intent for eve yet rarely engage in PvP yourself.
What's even more sad is that you feel the need to start throwing insults because you fail to make a point.
You lied about using bookmarks and you continue to lie and specualte about things which you know nothing. Evidenced by the fact you still feel justified spewing your unwanted opinions on the boards.
Respond if you wish. But I won't be because there is no sense in communicating with you because you just start making things up to defend a position you know is wrong but are too terrified to admit to. Bye y'all
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