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Illyrinia Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:49:00 - [31] Edited by: Illyrinia on 10/12/2007 10:55:22 Edited by: Illyrinia on 10/12/2007 10:53:51 i have combat stats on battle clinic o_0 and this char i traded for :P check vdub2002 as well, i'd have to look to see when i got this char tho =_= http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Illyrinia LMAO, thats OLD, ive not been in fade for a while, lol. and the cow in the drake was my first kill with this pilot, ima look up vdum now :D vdub isnt even updated... lame, battle clinic heh... my 5 pods in 15 minutes isnt on vdum :( :( :( :( http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=643000
Illyrinia Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:51:00 - [32] Originally by: Neal Cassady Edited by: Neal Cassady on 10/12/2007 10:44:04 Originally by: Illyrinia did you forget the 2 t2 heavy launchers (all the ones ive fought used these) no i didn't and the vaga only (EDIT: commonly) fits one launcher. i have over 250 kills with this ship so id like to think i am fairly well versed in its capabilities. it seems you only know them from a few experiences. i would like to point out this killmail from your board where a vaga was outdamaged by a raptor. see? you can find killmails that show anything. lol, that one... lmao i was with a like 200man gang that jumped into a system that was being sieged, i got 1 missile dmg msg (screen was blank LOL) and then the loss mail, 40 minutes later i finally load into my pod, im surprised they were even able to lock and shoot me http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=643000
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Illyrinia lol, that one... lmao i was with a like 200man gang that jumped into a system that was being sieged, i got 1 missile dmg msg (screen was blank LOL) and then the loss mail, 40 minutes later i finally load into my pod, im surprised they were even able to lock and shoot me I'd love to talk further about setups that are effective in combat from experience rather that what EFT tells you, but after seeing that caracal setup...I really don't want to know the reasoning behind it I'll gladly take advice from Cassady about speed set ups, pro and cons..because he actually flies the ship in COMBAT...not in a fitting tool btw Neal, 2 gyros II 2 OD II istab II and 2 poly rigs... Thats my standard lows. Makes me laugh them calling it a nano ship...when in fact..there are rarely any nanos on them
Quintano	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:08:00 - [34] Edited by: Quintano on 10/12/2007 11:10:40 Agree fully with Flinx, at least he is an experienced PvPer and I know what he can do, I have flown with him (formally Pluton Hazmat, how's it going Flinxy ). They should ban references to EFT on these forums, fly the ships before you go talking about their combat capabilities.
Vagablonde Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:14:00 - [35] excuse me? ________________ the way back home is always long, but if you're close to me i'm holding on.
Yorlock	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Zemeckis R Given that no ship should be better than others in its class, and the vagabond is clearly not inline, 'balance' it :) At one point in time the vagabond was balanced and countered well by the CURSE. NOW post NOS and Tracking disruptor nerfs is has nothing out there that can suck its little cap dry and avoid its weapon fire anymore. THIS is the result of countless NERF NERF NERF whines... The more you try and make every ship in EVE equal the more something will become overpowered. If we want ALL ship to be the same.. why even have the races? Maybe we should just scrap the current game star over. IF ya nerf the Vagabond to useless... something else (Probably some sniper ship like eagle)will take its place as its now has less to fear from ships that can close fast and outfly its tracking...( maybe i should also mention I do NOT fly vagabond.. and have fallen to them several times now. I see this more as an error in the make up of the fleet as a whole hen an overpowered ship ) This game was perfect in my opinion as every ship had its counter. Mixed fleets were and are the best option. Stop flying SOLO then wanting what you fall prey to the most to be nerfed.. Learn every ships perks and weaknesses then try and anticipate. [and of you are trying to run PVP ratting and keep falling to low sec pirates you should be ashamed to even cry for nerfs] Tried that once in my first battleship and fell to a 4 vexor gank team. Learned it was not the way to go.... (I did get 2 vexors before their megathron buddy logged in ... log in trap..) You learn..
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:27:00 - [37] Edited by: Estephania on 10/12/2007 11:28:41 Nano madness should stop. HACs zooming around at the speeds of interceptors is ridiculous. Bigger problem here are not Vaga or Ishtar though, bigger problem are totally out of balance pirate implants. That gives some part of the player base an immense advantage. Yes, they are expensive, but imho, you should not be able to buy pure "uberness" in Eve, it goes totally against the concept of diminishing returns.
Lilian Long	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:27:00 - [38] Edited by: Lilian Long on 10/12/2007 11:30:20 Vagabond is just the fastest cruiser sized ships, which it is supposed to be. Btw the damage output of a single speed-vagabond is low. If CCP gives in to nerf the vagabond, a hac that was always faster than every other hac, because that was just what gave that ship a special role, something that is even mentioned in the ship description, just to finally please the whiners, then I think about canceling my accounts. No, not because I fly her, I currently don't, but because CCP starts to follow the whiners. Those whiners were always there during the last years. If they want to nerf speed, then the bonusses that add to the speed of every ship, but don't make the vagabond just a standard tank-and-shoot hac with hac 1-vs-1 in mind. It isn't. Its role is and was always to be the heavy interceptor and to be the hit-and-run hac. Just because some people don't 'get it' doesn't mean it has to change now, although it has been this way for years.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:41:00 - [39] Originally by: Yorlock At one point in time the vagabond was balanced and countered well by the CURSE. NOW post NOS and Tracking disruptor nerfs is has nothing out there that can suck its little cap dry and avoid its weapon fire anymore. The counter was always the huggin and Rapier. I fly them both and can inform you that they are very effective against vagas still Hey Pluton o/ It's all good here, am doing a bit of merc work atm with the Omnor guys. Makes a nice change from roaming into 0.0 and ganking people with speed hacs. See what I did there to keep it on topic
Illyrinia Caldari Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:49:00 - [40] Edited by: Illyrinia on 10/12/2007 11:57:54 as a amarr recon pilot the nos nerf did nothing but boost the power of amarr recons... ONLY thing i dont agree with is the pilgrim not having the nos range bonus, its the only ship gimped in the recon line that dont get the range bonus, LAME. but thier right, eft and real combat are 2 different things. but vagas hardly roam alone :( and fleet caracal ftw, all t1 crap i had from ratting/kills, i wasnt about to jump into a system like that in a ship worth anything :P
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:01:00 - [41] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 10/12/2007 12:02:27 Originally by: Illyrinia but vagas hardly roam alone :( That's because the dps is so bad You need 2 Vagas just to do the job of 1 Ishtar...so why does Vaga get such bad press If they decide to nerf the Vaga for the third time and make it like a Deimos with less damage, I wont be crying, I'll find another ship...like the Ishtar for example These days I fly rapier or huginn more than Vaga...because, well speed gangs hate them, and having a rapier in your own nano gang messes with all their attempts to web you. Edit..what do you mean fleet caracal Why would you have cap rechargers on it. Not only does a caracal have no place in a fleet. IF you have to bring one...fit some tackle and some damps...at least then you might be useful..for something
tropic89	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:01:00 - [42] waaaaahhhhhh waaaaahhhhhhaaaaaa Im a friggn crybaby because someone else has learned more skills then me, wahaaaaaahaaaa
Jasese The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:07:00 - [43] Originally by: Illyrinia Originally by: Neal Cassady Originally by: Illyrinia zealot is not a nano ship LMAO, it has 2 mids TWO, if YOU flew one you would see, zealot is a sniper ship if anything, and YES i fly zealots and sacralige. Vaga has 2 things Speed AND dps, it should be ONE or the other not both, and if you seen vagas at work you would agree. ive fought my fair share, and there is no way to combat them other than sbs and cruise ravens (poorly at that). you get one webbed they just mwd while your drones (domi) hammer at it untill its out of web range and it mwds around you at scram range while it peppers you with missiles and auto cannons (which have INSANE tracking) proof i know WTF im talking about- 2 vagas top dps is a vaga (top ship) 3 vagas, and once again top dps (OVER A DEIMOS) is vaga both times i had one of the SOB's webbed with duel webs, and both times (one i had him but the damn falcon GRRRR caldari recons the new big thing) they managed to escape my webs. if you look at the number of vaga pilots in 0.0 compaired to other ships you would agree that there is something wrong with it. NANO ships in general need looked at... you're telling me that 300 dps is good? two killmails mean absolutely nothing. the vaga getting top damage probably tackled and orbited a while before the dps showed up. the ishtar has slightly poorer speed, about equivalent tank, and much better dps. get a frickin huginn or rapier ffs and stop whining. nano ships have been hit hard enough. check eft they have higher dps than 300, dork... and all ships started firing at the same time, it was on a station camp, they bump targets out of docking range, and hammer away, trust me vaga has dps As a pilot who has alot of experience and all the skills that have something to do with vagabonds maxed. I can tell you a vagabond is not overpowered, it dies way to easy compared to other ships capable of fitting webs, its got ****ty dps, almost no drone bay and cant track while mwding.
Karina Bellac	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:10:00 - [44] Speed this. MWD that. Nano this. Overdrive that. EVE Online is turning into a one-point-five-trick pony. The point-five in there is webs so that you can actually have a fight.
N'olive Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:12:00 - [45] My Troll Detector is flashing red here. _____________________________________________________ Olivier C., providing fleet support since 1902. - My Eve videos
VicturusTeSaluto Echo 48	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:13:00 - [46] Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 10/12/2007 12:13:53 Originally by: SnakeByte86 They've nerfed everything but the vagabond, It must be ovuers favorite ship. Barrage penalty? Overloading? Both nerfed the vaga. It is a perfectly balanced ship, but the dumbass caldari forum whiners will get it nerfed. Expect the Ishtar and Vaga to be hit especially hard in the next big patch.
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:15:00 - [47] Originally by: tropic89 waaaaahhhhhh waaaaahhhhhhaaaaaa Im a friggn crybaby because someone else has learned more skills then me, wahaaaaaahaaaa No, it's because someone metagamed enough to buy himself a pure pwnage such as a full set of snakes and took the speed advantage of Vaga to the extremes.
Vrabac Amarr BALKAN EXPRESS	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:20:00 - [48] It appears to be a very popular myth vaga does no dps, has "tiny drone bay" (compare it to any non gallente hac), and no tank. None of this is true. Zealot, that some here put as example of a good hac, is pure piece of crap in comparison. On the other hand of course vaga will be out-dpsed by a deimos at point blank (but not at it's typical 15-20km range lol) or outtanked by sacrilege (but again not at it's typical speed and distance from target) and, what's important, it's pretty useless to non nano ships in gang except as a glorified tackler- it probably won't help save your webbed and primaried ship in any way. This makes it uber at solo or in gang with other vagas and similar ships, but not uber in general sense. Howerer since people are more interested in staying alive than being useful by doing damage, doing ew or something else, it's a popular ship. All of this in my experience, I could be wrong of course. As a result, vaga doesnt really need a nerf. Some other hacs (namely zealot ) could use a buff tough. A bit irritating to be unable to do anything in small gang in 0.0 just because I chose the wrong race.
Jasese The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:22:00 - [49] Originally by: Vrabac It appears to be a very popular myth vaga does no dps, has "tiny drone bay" (compare it to any non gallente hac), and no tank. None of this is true. Zealot, that some here put as example of a good hac, is pure piece of crap in comparison. On the other hand of course vaga will be out-dpsed by a deimos at point blank (but not at it's typical 15-20km range lol) or outtanked by sacrilege (but again not at it's typical speed and distance from target) and, what's important, it's pretty useless to non nano ships in gang except as a glorified tackler- it probably won't help save your webbed and primaried ship in any way. This makes it uber at solo or in gang with other vagas and similar ships, but not uber in general sense. Howerer since people are more interested in staying alive than being useful by doing damage, doing ew or something else, it's a popular ship. All of this in my experience, I could be wrong of course. As a result, vaga doesnt really need a nerf. Some other hacs (namely zealot ) could use a buff tough. A bit irritating to be unable to do anything in small gang in 0.0 just because I chose the wrong race. Use a nanosac
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:23:00 - [50] Bla bla. People are just recycling the same old arguments about the Vagabond. Guys, its all been said (many times, and since the vaga was born), devs probably aren't reading this thread, your all just venting now. Can't we 'just all be friends'? =============================================
Bei Bao Caldari Triumvirate Holding Corporation Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:29:00 - [51] HAHAHA at op moron..... rabble rable omfg its jan 2007 all over again!!!
Raneru Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:36:00 - [52] Why don't we all just fly ravens and fire cruise with the same damage type and get it over with?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:37:00 - [53] Or we can take all the ships in Eve and turn them into one ship everyone could fly around in using one module type for every slot thats a mix of every other module for that power group Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton thats a boot.ini a file used by windows
Vrabac Amarr BALKAN EXPRESS	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Jasese Use a nanosac Didnt have time to train missiles. But might work. Altough a lot slower solution and with far less effective buffer tank, eh?
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Bei Bao HAHAHA at op moron..... rabble rable omfg its jan 2007 all over again!!! Yes but most of these guys joined since then and dont know that this is very old ground! Seriously guys, you are flogging a very dead nano-horsey here. =============================================
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:03:00 - [56] nerf da augorer, vagabond cant squirt cap on ppl and the augorer can wtf, either give the vaga a remote cap squirty thing or nerf the augorer tbfh
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:22:00 - [57] Originally by: Jasese Use a nanosac It proves that without nano madness Vaga is a nice fast HAC, but when combined with nano FOTM and snake imps, it's an overrated pwnmobile.
Quintano	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:31:00 - [58] Originally by: Raneru Why don't we all just fly ravens and fire cruise with the same damage type and get it over with? Or we could have a massively multiplayer online game of rock, paper, scissors. But then we'd get some idiot on the forums whining the rock is overpowered because they chose scissors...
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:31:00 - [59] Most other HACs can out tank and out damage the vagabond.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:38:00 - [60] I'd like to see the vaga nerfed more out of spite than unbalance. Last patch it was the gallente nerf time (lulz myrmi lulz eos)it is only time before the hammer hits down on the minmatar.

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