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HaulerTek	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:31:00 - [91] I may just be a stoopid noob. But doesn't the Zealot have THREE mids. Not TWO MIDS which you claimed from actually flying it.
Neal Cassady Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:43:00 - [92] Edited by: Neal Cassady on 10/12/2007 21:44:19 ways to kill a vagabond: rapier/huginn (wahhh i don't want to train minnie recons even though they kick ass) heavy neuts + cruiser tackler (wahh i don't wanna work as a team with someone) overheated webber (wahh i don't wanna train thermo) spreading your ships 10km away from each other so the vaga orbits through web range (wah all i know is approach f1-f8) heavy kinetic missiles (wah i need to switch damagetypes?) i think the real problem here is most vaga pilots know what theyre doing when flying them. their victims see this, and rather then blame themselves as they should, they blame the vaga. after all, it's easier to say that an unfair ship advantage caused your death than to admit that nano pilots actually are better than you. all you haters should try to fly a vagabond in pvp sometime. i bet it gets expensive for you.
Captain VanOwen	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:48:00 - [93] FORGET THE VAGABOND CCP! YOU NEED TO NERF THE IBIS! ITS WAY TOO OVERPOWERED!!!!111!
Mad0ne Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:49:00 - [94] I bet it soon gets boring as hell if you see only nano vagas flying around... wont it? Actually it has happened already... Not thet there is no counters.. yes there are but why the hell do I have to give up other abilities just in case that i meet vaga and i need to take him ot? If i have counter for vaga... im useless against others. So I take vaga and head on 1 vs 1 and just hope that I have better module fitted! ----------------------------------------------- Limit cloaks to cloaking ships! Or Make covert ops`s to scan prototype and improved cloaks!!!
Haradgrim Caldari The Wild Bunch INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:49:00 - [95] 3 Points: 1) The Vagabond is by far and away the best HAC in the game. 2) It is not overpowered, it has a role, it does it very well. It has a great deal of utility, however it can be countered. 3) There is no three. Your signature exceeds the byte me limit allowed on the forums-Darth Patches Oh Noes!
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:55:00 - [96] 4th page in a troll thread :/ -----
Estephania	Posted - 2007.12.10 22:01:00 - [97] Edited by: Estephania on 10/12/2007 22:04:42 Either Vaga is overpowered or other HACs are underpowered. If it does its role so well, why other HACs are much less used (especially non-nanoable ones)? Because they fail at doing their roles, or that their roles are not that appealing to players? But as I said many times, Vagas are ok. Nano bonuses and pirate implants are overpowered. Look at Ishtar for example, Gallente aren't known to be speed race, but combined with unbalanced nano-bonuses Ishtar turns into a godlike pwnmobile (even more so than Vaga). And If Minmatar are speed race, what are Amarr? C(r)ap race? I know it's off topic, but had to say this
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2007.12.10 22:08:00 - [98] The vaga is being nerfed on sisi , as shown on this thread...
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:11:00 - [99] nerf amarr Trashed sig, Shark was here
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:49:00 - [100] Please do check this thread for extended discussion on why the vagabond needs to be fixed.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:55:00 - [101] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 11/12/2007 00:56:10 Originally by: Haradgrim 3 Points: 1) The Vagabond is by far and away the best HAC in the game. 2) It is not overpowered, it has a role, it does it very well. It has a great deal of utility, however it can be countered. 3) There is no three. Wrong I am specialized in vaga...and have to say Ishtar is FAR better. Crazy DPS and it doesn't have to fight in that..omg I am webbed..no I live scenario. One of these days you guys should chk to see how long a vaga can actuallly keep its MWD running and be close to target... I love the Vaga's reputation, it means fools scatter and you kill the straggler..but the best HAC is without doubt the Isthar. Guess what I am training for next Of course I am hoping I can do do gallente cruiser 5 before it gets nerfed because of silly forum whiners that have no clue...but meh, it's a race I see where you Caldari guys are coming from though, but omg..you try a level 4 mission in a tempest. You had it so good in pve, you expect the same ease in pvp. Minmatar is good at 2 things, SPEED and WEBS...and thats about it Nerf drake tanks..boost Vaga optimal
Dromidas Shadowmoon Minmatar Uraniumcore	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:59:00 - [102] One of the ships I fly the most is a Vagabond, and theres a reason why I avoid all recons, all hacs, and all commandships like the plague. That reason is because all of them will kick my ass.
Rellik B00n Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:03:00 - [103] I have a rash, is this normal? remix:never fades 07 (2) - gall002
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:07:00 - [104] Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon One of the ships I fly the most is a Vagabond, and theres a reason why I avoid all recons, all hacs, and all commandships like the plague. That reason is because all of them will kick my ass. Most of the people in this thread posting about overpowered vagas have never flown them. As Dromidas says, there is a **** load of ships that will bbq you in seconds. Part of the vagas reputation, is that it takes so long to be able to fly it properly ( a year at least ) that half the skills you learn are nothing to do with SP..but combat experience. A vaga pilot will have already killed 500 ships at least, he has ice in his veins (joke, but vets will know what I mean) In the hands of a decent pilot, yes it is nasty, however, if you were to ebay one with a bought character, you would die in seconds. The skill is in knowing what to fight, and when to run. It's possibly the most pilot intensive ship to fly. Take your eyes of the game for a sec, and you are not only dead, but 500mil out of pocket If you want a rush..fly it
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:14:00 - [105] Originally by: Neal Cassady Edited by: Neal Cassady on 10/12/2007 21:44:19 ways to kill a vagabond:[ This is gonna be fun Originally by: Neal Cassady rapier/huginn (wahhh i don't want to train minnie recons even though they kick ass) You forgot the Hyena. BTW how do these ships hold out vs a vaga anyway? Originally by: Neal Cassady heavy neuts + cruiser tackler (wahh i don't wanna work as a team with someone) Sure, cruisers going 7+km/sec not being torn to shreds nearly instantly by a vaga. So this means you need 2 times as many ships here. Originally by: Neal Cassady overheated webber (wahh i don't wanna train thermo) 13km range... do vagas even fly that close anymore? Originally by: Neal Cassady spreading your ships 10km away from each other so the vaga orbits through web range (wah all i know is approach f1-f8) Same as above, so you need to blob to take out 1 ship Originally by: Neal Cassady heavy kinetic missiles (wah i need to switch damagetypes?) WTB: heavy kinetic missiles that go fast enough and have a high enough explosion veleocity to catch a vaga... Originally by: Neal Cassady i think the real problem here is most vaga pilots know what theyre doing when flying them. their victims see this, and rather then blame themselves as they should, they blame the vaga. after all, it's easier to say that an unfair ship advantage caused your death than to admit that nano pilots actually are better than you. Sure, 40% of 0.0 is filled with amazing vagav pilots. It could be that everyone flies them because they are overpowered, like 8 HS geddons, nano tempest/domis, ECM domis, NOS domis, dual MWD ravens and such and such were. Those were all pilot skill too. Originally by: Neal Cassady all you haters should try to fly a vagabond in pvp sometime. i bet it gets expensive for you. I bet you aren't **** without your I-win-button. An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:16:00 - [106] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon One of the ships I fly the most is a Vagabond, and theres a reason why I avoid all recons, all hacs, and all commandships like the plague. That reason is because all of them will kick my ass. Most of the people in this thread posting about overpowered vagas have never flown them. As Dromidas says, there is a **** load of ships that will bbq you in seconds. Part of the vagas reputation, is that it takes so long to be able to fly it properly ( a year at least ) that half the skills you learn are nothing to do with SP..but combat experience. A vaga pilot will have already killed 500 ships at least, he has ice in his veins (joke, but vets will know what I mean) In the hands of a decent pilot, yes it is nasty, however, if you were to ebay one with a bought character, you would die in seconds. The skill is in knowing what to fight, and when to run. It's possibly the most pilot intensive ship to fly. Take your eyes of the game for a sec, and you are not only dead, but 500mil out of pocket If you want a rush..fly it It's exactly the same as all other ships in eve, it has strengths and weaknesses, it's good in certain roles and it's bad at others. It's good in the hands of certain pilots, and it's bad in the hands of others. Some people just fail at using ships the way they're meant to be used, and decide to cry nerf and cry overpowered instead of realising this. For one thing, the vagabond cannnot do dps at speed, a significant weakness for a nano ship. Stop crying people and just play the game. -----
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:21:00 - [107] Edited by: umop 3pisdn on 11/12/2007 01:23:26 Originally by: T3h Pr4wNz0r3r This looks like a troll thread, I can tell from some of the words and from seeing quite a few troll threads in my time. lol at the idiots who are taking this thread seriously. Vaga cant fit a cap injector, fights in falloff and has no tank Sacrilege is far better in most roles except frig killing If you want to ***** about overpowered, go take on a HIC in a hac, any hac, if they tank it as they should you're screwed.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:26:00 - [108] Originally by: Plaetean It's exactly the same as all other ships in eve, it has strengths and weaknesses, it's good in certain roles and it's bad at others. It's good in the hands of certain pilots, and it's bad in the hands of others. Some people just fail at using ships the way they're meant to be used, and decide to cry nerf and cry overpowered instead of realising this. For one thing, the vagabond cannnot do dps at speed, a significant weakness for a nano ship. Stop crying people and just play the game. Hmm, I am going to have to quit this thread now, someone quoted and agreed with me. I feel dirty Vagas are fine, if they were really that good the price would not still be artificially high after years. It's supply and demand, take a look...they die often, and need to be replaced. Would be nice to see them back to 60mil Mates rates at NSN
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:33:00 - [109] Edited by: sakana on 11/12/2007 01:35:02 Illyrinia ,every one of your arguments is epic failure :) "vagas hardly roam alone" - vaga is the perfect solo roaming ship "zealot has two mids, not a nanoship" - has 3 mids, one less than a vagabond, and the zealot is an armor tanker so you can go 4-5kms with a med rep :P "random argument #1, #2, #3, #4" - oh wait, someone just showed evidence against these, you answer "oh ya that time lolololol well that was just this one time, when this one thing happened, and i didnt care about it anyway, but what happened was well, you see, anyway i dont care cause..." keep up the good work. Also, MadOne...vaga 1v1s are great fun. Its like an inty 1v1 but lasts longer
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:54:00 - [110] I'll bet anything that this time next year, Vaga will be completely differnt thanks to all the whining, it'll have no speed bonus, a target painting bonus and 4 missile launchers or something equally fantastic, cant wait
Buyerr	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:23:00 - [111] well that is a argument you can not reargue against hehe
Dromidas Shadowmoon Minmatar Uraniumcore	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:28:00 - [112] I remember a few months ago I attacked a drake in my vagabond, after about 2 minutes I realized it was a complete waste of time as my shield hit 30% and his was at 70% so I made my escape. It reminded me that missile ships should be avoided, and it reminded me that passive shield tankers should be avoided. The pilot of that drake was only 2 months old (1 mil sp?), how many SP does it take to fly a vaga? Oh right, like 15+ mil bare minimum. And drakes are what 30 mil? fitted maybe 40? How much is a vagabond? oh, right, a lot more, as in several multiples. Honestly the only reason I post anything on these threads is the possibility that a CCP dev reads them and actually thinks the thread is based off of anything resembling reality. Previously I would have thought that CCP thinks about things before it does them, but then boot.ini happened :P
Hexman The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:51:00 - [113] Originally by: Zemeckis R Given that no ship should be better than others in its class, and the vagabond is clearly not inline, 'balance' it :) Go away. Now.
Oratu Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.11 03:27:00 - [114] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Jarrab Klein Let me put it this way, the HACs need to be balanced so that they are equally usefull, if what you say is correct, the only one left out is the Cerb, so either boost that, or nerf the rest. Speed tanking ftl. The Cerb can hit its target from 110km. HAC 5 All Associated missile skills to 5 == max range of 170 km ish with a cerb
Gealbhan Caldari The SAS The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2007.12.11 03:31:00 - [115] I clashed with a Vagabond before, lost a Hurricane to it. Even so I don't shout nerf for stuff, it's unprofessional "Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium.
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2007.12.11 08:58:00 - [116] Originally by: sakana "vagas hardly roam alone" - vaga is the perfect solo roaming ship Frankly, not really. You can't catch anyone at a belt nowadays. If you manage to catch an sleepy farmer, it'll be a raven and you'll have to fight tooth and nails and stay in deep armor to have a chance to kill it, or be specifically fit to kill it (making you fly a setup that won't work with anything else). And if they are at a gate they'll laugh at you. That's the truth about solo vagas. Fly one and you'll know. Its the newbies or the too*****y people the ones who engage (and die). Hit and run is less hit with all these huge buffers everywhere, with heat taking away 20% of the ships dps. The only advantage is being less vulnerable to the Gate Blob. But they pay extremely dearly for that advantage. And they even got nerfed.
Lucky 8 Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.12.11 09:38:00 - [117] Nerf Vagabond BPO's some of you bastards must be silly rich. -- Originally by: Nicho Void This thread is like a chum slick for forum alt trolls.

ISD Valorem Amarr ISD STAR	Posted - 2007.12.11 10:18:00 - [118] Moved from General Discussion to Ships and Modules forum rules \| CAOD Rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Captain Dralisz	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:54:00 - [119] Signed!!! Because: fitted with lvl5 skills: vaga: high: 5X 220mm Vulcan autocannon t2 1X Heavy assault missile launcher t2 Medim: 1X 10MN Microwarp drive t2 1X Warp Disruptor t2 2X Large Shield Extneder t2 Low: 3X Gyrostabilizer t2 1X Damage Control t2 1X Overdrive Injector System t2 I dont calculating with the drones so : 400dsp with barrage 2,7+22km (optim,fall) range so u can fly around 14km and hit the target and using the disruptor. + Terror rage assault missile 16,9km optimal. effective hp: 36K max velocity 3931km/s for 1m 22s Deimos: High: 5X heavy ion blaster t2 1 unused slot no more powergrid and cup Medium: 1X 10Mn microwarp drive t2 1X warp Disruptor t2 1X Medium Capacitor Booster t2 Low: 3X Magnetic Field Stab T2 1X Damage Control T2 1X Armor exploive hardener T2 1X Medium armor rep t2 434 dps with the null ammo 4,7+9km (optimal/falloff) max velocity: 2099m/s effective hp: 22K 92hp/s armor rep lifetime with the medium cap booster 400 chagers is 3m 19s so the deiomos cant hit the vaga couse out of range and the vaga have more HP and the dps is nearly same the vaga can go away if near to die the deimos cant. Deimos is die faster than the vaga... So vaga is uber!!! NERF IT!!!!
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:57:00 - [120] /facepalm --- planetary interaction idea!

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