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GM Grimmi
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:33:00 -
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Dear players,
We have now deployed fixes for the issues that made it necessary to temporarily restrict Starbase warfare. The situation looks good and we hereby remove the restrictions on Starbase warfare, with the following notification:
We have seen quite a lot of cases where players have cyno-jumped into enemy systems and then logged off, waiting for the restriction to be removed so that they can attack. This is of course an exploit in systems where cyno-jammers are installed but did not work. We will only permit attacks by pilots who have jumped into the system after the restriction is lifted. Those found to have abused this will be punished accordingly and losses suffered by the defending parties will be reimbursed.
We thank you for your understanding and patience.
EVE Online Team
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:34:00 -
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Yay?
Rhaegor Stormborn
Fleet Admiral - Volition Cult |
Xoria Krint
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:34:00 -
[3]
Yay!
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:37:00 -
[4]
"The situation looks good"  |
MadDoc Brown
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:38:00 -
[5]
 Originally by: GM Grimmi
We have seen quite a lot of cases where players have cyno-jumped into enemy systems and then logged off, waiting for the restriction to be removed so that they can attack. This is of course an exploit in systems where cyno-jammers are installed but did not work. We will only permit attacks by pilots who have jumped into the system after the restriction is lifted. Those found to have abused this will be punished accordingly and losses suffered by the defending parties will be reimbursed.
Sweeet!!
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Sarah Benthwell
Dolaris Holdings
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:44:00 -
[6]
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shigs |
Bin Matar
Fallen Angel's
Blade.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:44:00 -
[7]
Worst news this year
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EliteSlave
Minmatar
Tau Ceti Global Production
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:46:00 -
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how would people know if the system they jumped into was cynojammed?
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Ishura
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:46:00 -
[9]
yay finaly lets get the party started
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Bin Matar
Fallen Angel's
Blade.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:48:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Ishura
yay finaly lets get the party started
are you real.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:50:00 -
[11]
booyah
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 10/12/2007 18:55:23
Did you fix jump bridges?
Edit: because if not that gives an added advantage to the attackers (or takes away one the defenders would have had were it not for stuff breaking)
Khaldari
khanidpublic : RP channel for supporters of the Kingdom
Recruiting |
tekamtoot
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:56:00 -
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what about bugged pos¦s..... when r they gonna be fixed
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onymous
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:56:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 10/12/2007 18:55:23
Did you fix jump bridges?
Edit: because if not that gives an added advantage to the attackers (or takes away one the defenders would have had were it not for stuff breaking)
Really I think it's a huge inconvenience to everyone.
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:58:00 -
[15]
*pops collar*
what me? yea i blow up poses - its kinda my thing, no big deal
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Star Nove
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:02:00 -
[16]
Have you fixed the jump bridges yet? If so, is there a process we need to go through to bring them back up so that alliance people can use them once more? No point allowing POS warfare again if all the POS bugs aren't fixed?
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: NATMav
Honestly, they should put a halt on ALL POS warfare activities until they get this **** fixed, regardless of who is benefitting. POS warfare is bad enough when it is working right, I hate seeing people get ****** over by a bad patch.
Originally by: NATMav
What does CCP plan to do about cap ships logged off in broken cyno-jammed systems for when they start working again?
My goodness, it's almost as if they listened to me.
Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction." |
Steini OFSI
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave
how would people know if the system they jumped into was cynojammed?
I agree with this question. Legally speaking how would one know that the system he went to was restricted to go to by a cynojammer if the cynojammer was broken?
How was I supposed to know I was driving 40 kilometers over speed limit, although I passed all the cars around, if my speedometer was broken.
The difference here is law dictates that your speedometer should be working and that's your fault if you're guilty of breaking law if it isn't, going to a system with a broken cynojammer would not be illegal due to the fact it's not my responsibility to know there was a non working cynojammer there due to a bug in the game.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave
how would people know if the system they jumped into was cynojammed?
First hint, they have tried before, but couldn't....
I know Triumvirate jumped a substantial fleet into CVA's home system only to be sent back by GMs....
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Dave White
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:04:00 -
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Kewl. Maybe unsticky the previous posts? 
Originally by: GM Tacgnol
Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat. |
Reverend Revelator
Elite Storm Enterprises
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Steini OFSI
Originally by: EliteSlave
how would people know if the system they jumped into was cynojammed?
I agree with this question. Legally speaking how would one know that the system he went to was restricted to go to by a cynojammer if the cynojammer was broken?
How was I supposed to know I was driving 40 kilometers over speed limit, although I passed all the cars around, if my speedometer was broken.
The difference here is law dictates that your speedometer should be working and that's your fault if you're guilty of breaking law if it isn't, going to a system with a broken cynojammer would not be illegal due to the fact it's not my responsibility to know there was a non working cynojammer there due to a bug in the game.
Why would you jump your dread into a system only to immedeately log off if you didn't know there was a cynojammer there? 
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Steini OFSI
Originally by: EliteSlave
how would people know if the system they jumped into was cynojammed?
Drop a cyno in that system now, or try, if it doesn't take, petiton to get your caps removed...
Seriously though, who jumps capital ships into a system and then logs them 'waiting' for POS warfare to be unbanned.... Only someone that knows that if they wait they won't be able to jump caps in.
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Agmamenon Exinferis
Caldari
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Agmamenon Exinferis on 10/12/2007 19:15:09
You announce the banning in a news headline,
and the unbanning gets a small forum post?
I expect you to be more professional CCP.
Now go do your job....better.
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Old friends
In dark places
Old scars
On their faces
One good friend
Makes up for
Ten bad ones
Tenfold
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nync
UA Industry
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:15:00 -
[24]
I just love ccp:)
10 min before gm grimmi post.
Mahk Kee > 110+ BoB fleet in RR-D05 area
GM Grimmi post on eve-o > pos warfare is allowed again.
10 min later :
Mahk Kee > 110 BoB Fleet beating on F4R station
Of course just random BOB 110 man gang passing by:))))))))))))))))))))))
Originally by: CCP Nozh
If we do a change, we have to do it properly
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:15:00 -
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Glad to see that it's fixed (which is yet to be seen), but I would prefer that major changes is policy such as this be given a bit of fair warning to give players a chance to prepare. For example, if you had said, it's fixed, POS warfare may resume following tomorrow's downtime, that would be alot more customer friendly than just dropping a bomb like this, and whoever happens to be logged off at the time get screwed.
Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction." |
DeadDuck
Amarr
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:15:00 -
[26]
So it has began... 
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Miss Manners
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:17:00 -
[27]
I do not approve.
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Ms Tinker
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:18:00 -
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Make a note for next time: Do these rule changes over downtime, not during the day. You have players with inside knowledge that will take advantage of this kind of crap. It's understandable that you must restrict stuff without notice but ffs make announcement before you get the features back into game.
Patch screwed stuff up, don't screw it up anymore. (And fix pos', jump clones, jump bridges etcetcetcetcetcetc.)
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Dirtee Girl
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:19:00 -
[29]
Originally by: DeadDuck
So it has began...
time to unleash ...... the whoros!
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:25:00 -
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Instead of removing the restriction, how about removing POS warfare?
(actually, I'm more serious than not)
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Kay Han
Caldari
Friendship 7 Corporation
STYX.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:28:00 -
[31]
Originally by: nync
I just love ccp:)
10 min before gm grimmi post.
Mahk Kee > 110+ BoB fleet in RR-D05 area
GM Grimmi post on eve-o > pos warfare is allowed again.
10 min later :
Mahk Kee > 110 BoB Fleet beating on F4R station
Of course just random BOB 110 man gang passing by:))))))))))))))))))))))
we never moved the fleet to rr-
what about less vodka, more facts? 
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Personally I think Amarr ships should consume slaves in a similar way that other ships consume ammunition.
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Alice Cholmondeley
I Am Legend
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:34:00 -
[32]
Originally by: nync
I just love ccp:)
10 min before gm grimmi post.
Mahk Kee > 110+ BoB fleet in RR-D05 area
GM Grimmi post on eve-o > pos warfare is allowed again.
10 min later :
Mahk Kee > 110 BoB Fleet beating on F4R station
Of course just random BOB 110 man gang passing by:))))))))))))))))))))))
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:38:00 -
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That was quicker than i expected 
Originally by: ISD Cortes
You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females. |
Rei Achura
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:46:00 -
[34]
Originally by: nync
I just love ccp:)
10 min before gm grimmi post.
Mahk Kee > 110+ BoB fleet in RR-D05 area
GM Grimmi post on eve-o > pos warfare is allowed again.
10 min later :
Mahk Kee > 110 BoB Fleet beating on F4R station
Of course just random BOB 110 man gang passing by:))))))))))))))))))))))
*IF* its true, its exactly why you say "After down time, these rules change"
Even if its NOT true, its exactly why you make changes to the rules during downtime.
Isn't that exactly what Downtime is for?
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:47:00 -
[35]
Originally by: nync
I just love ccp:)
10 min before gm grimmi post.
Mahk Kee > 110+ BoB fleet in RR-D05 area
GM Grimmi post on eve-o > pos warfare is allowed again.
10 min later :
Mahk Kee > 110 BoB Fleet beating on F4R station
Of course just random BOB 110 man gang passing by:))))))))))))))))))))))
Our Goonswarm devs gave us 15 minutes warning, but we're all very lazy.
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Tradesman Mcgee
Caldari
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:48:00 -
[36]
Well, they havent fixed the rate-of-fire bugs. Ship guns deactivate immediately after shooting a POS, and you could spam F1-F8 as fast as you can for ultimate DPS. (this was done on an offline POS, dunno if its teh same for all) . (did not use the bug ofc, as it'd be an exploit, docked up and aborted attack)
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JeanPaul Sartre
26th of July Movement
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:51:00 -
[37]
Originally by: nync
I just love ccp:)
10 min before gm grimmi post.
Mahk Kee > 110+ BoB fleet in RR-D05 area
GM Grimmi post on eve-o > pos warfare is allowed again.
10 min later :
Mahk Kee > 110 BoB Fleet beating on F4R station
Of course just random BOB 110 man gang passing by:))))))))))))))))))))))
He's right! They never landed on the moon either. There was a second gunman.. probably a third! Oh and the world trade centre is still there.. blame David Blaine.
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Quote:
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:53:00 -
[38]
Originally by: tekamtoot
what about bugged pos¦s..... when r they gonna be fixed
I think the whole point of this thread was to announce that they have been fixed.
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ZaKma
Seraphin Technologies
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:13:00 -
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So, let me get this straight. Jump Bridges are still broken. POS warfare is allowed again. To properly defend your system, and get your capitals in, you now have to offline the jammer and thus allow your enemies capitals entrance as well.
Good planning there, CCP.
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:20:00 -
[40]
Originally by: ZaKma
So, let me get this straight. Jump Bridges are still broken. POS warfare is allowed again. To properly defend your system, and get your capitals in, you now have to offline the jammer and thus allow your enemies capitals entrance as well.
Good planning there, CCP.
Hell, this should always have been the case. Or better yet, no cyno jammers at all at less than sov 4.
Valid complaint on your part, but it just accentuates what a BS mechanic it is to begin with.
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Cruel Fox
Singulerity
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:23:00 -
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Jump bridges wich r important to get friendlly capitals into cyno jamed system r still broken and pos warfare already unbaned!
CCP fix it asap
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Arlenna Molatov
Caldari
The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:24:00 -
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Not to sound like a jerk but Grimmi, how about youguys fix ALL the POS sturctures, like the jumb bridges and such BEFORE you go lifting the ban on POS warfare!! Would be nice to be able to use the stuff, ya know, to maybe DEFEND the POS?
Not to mention that people are still reporting bugs....
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Vishous
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:44:00 -
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I would just like to respond to all the whiners out there about "waaaa, we don't want pos, waaaa". If you don't like pos warfare, go back to your mining/mission running carebear ships in empire. CCP will not listen to you for "demanding" to remove pos from the game, so either take it or leave it.
LOL, I'm whining about whiners. IRONY!!
CCP, ty for getting things taken care of right away on Monday. And ty GM Grimmi for keeping us informed.
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New ones
Caldari
Koln united
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Posted - 2007.12.10 21:11:00 -
[44]
Originally by: nync
I just love ccp:)
10 min before gm grimmi post.
Mahk Kee > 110+ BoB fleet in RR-D05 area
GM Grimmi post on eve-o > pos warfare is allowed again.
10 min later :
Mahk Kee > 110 BoB Fleet beating on F4R station
Of course just random BOB 110 man gang passing by:))))))))))))))))))))))
We definatly need more tinfoil here!
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 21:23:00 -
[45]
We've managed to get some jb's working so I just suggest you repack and redeploy and pray for luck :)
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Star Nove
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.10 22:43:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Fred0
We've managed to get some jb's working so I just suggest you repack and redeploy and pray for luck :)
Hi Fred, for the POS noobs amongst us, can you explain in more detail the process you went through to get the JB's working for Alliance?
TIA
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.10 22:57:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Fred0
We've managed to get some jb's working so I just suggest you repack and redeploy and pray for luck :)
Please confirm that it works for all alliance corps and that it works in both directions.
Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction." |
CrazyCoolie
Lucky Hydra Corp
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 23:04:00 -
[48]
Only the Corp that owns the Bridge can use them........
CCP fix it
Thank You
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Megan Ryder
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.12.10 23:12:00 -
[49]
bump, coz u fixed the cyno jammers but not the JBs, still corp only
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.10 23:52:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Megan Ryder
bump, coz u fixed the cyno jammers but not the JBs, still corp only
You can't bump a sticky :p
Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened. |
caladron prime
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Posted - 2007.12.11 00:35:00 -
[51]
so, I am stuck in a POS because of the jump clone thing and my ship disappeared from the POS field, neither petition has been attended to, and now I can be attacked?
fantastic.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.11 00:43:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Megan Ryder
bump, coz u fixed the cyno jammers but not the JBs, still corp only
You can't bump a sticky :p
We can increase the post count however so that more people pay attention to this. Hopefully with enough *****ing, it'll at the very least dissuade a few people from signing up for the game.
Why does CCP have to screw even the simplest stuff up? Warfare shouldn't have been reenabled until down time, and the rest of the POS bugs need fixed. The fact that jump bridges and other POS items are still dysfunctional is atrocious, and I don't know what the hell is wrong with the devs in thinking otherwise.
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Lead Megalomanic
EVE Automated Influence Map |
GO MaZ
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 00:58:00 -
[53]
Edited by: GO MaZ on 11/12/2007 00:58:39
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Warfare shouldn't have been reenabled until down time, and the rest of the POS bugs need fixed. The fact that jump bridges and other POS items are still dysfunctional is atrocious, and I don't know what the hell is wrong with the devs in thinking otherwise.
Half of my corp's directorship were permabanned for finding & shooting an offline POS (while randomly roaming) after the patch & downtime this morning, which stated a hotfix was being deployed to fix POS issues... and they shot at the POS less than 30 minutes before the forum post stating POS warfare is allowed again (6 HOURS after the patch was deployed...).
Quick hint CCP, not every one reads the forums or news items, but pretty much EVERYONE reads the MOTD; if you're gonna state that you're deploying a patch to fix POS warfare bugs IN THE MOTD, then it's pretty fair to assume that could be interpreted to mean that POS warfare is OK again. You can't just randomly ban people for semantics 
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:33:00 -
[54]
Originally by: GO MaZ
Half of my corp's directorship were permabanned for finding & shooting an offline POS (while randomly roaming) after the patch & downtime this morning
You can't just randomly ban people for semantics
Well they can, but they probably shouldn't. Were they really permabanned or could it have been temporary?
Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened. |
GO MaZ
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:38:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: GO MaZ
Half of my corp's directorship were permabanned for finding & shooting an offline POS (while randomly roaming) after the patch & downtime this morning
You can't just randomly ban people for semantics
Well they can, but they probably shouldn't. Were they really permabanned or could it have been temporary?
2 Permabanned so far, 1 warning, rest haven't logged in yet so no idea.
And yeah, while they can do whatever they want WRT banning, it's a bit off banning people between the time the problem is fixed (with a hint in the MOTD suggesting it's now fixed) and the time the senior GM makes a post about it on the forums (6 hours?!). And yes, the permabans were for people who've been banned before, but compared to some things I've seen people do and not even get warned for this is quite out of order imo
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Kery Syander
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:52:00 -
[56]
Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: GO MaZ
Half of my corp's directorship were permabanned for finding & shooting an offline POS (while randomly roaming) after the patch & downtime this morning
You can't just randomly ban people for semantics
Well they can, but they probably shouldn't. Were they really permabanned or could it have been temporary?
2 Permabanned so far, 1 warning, rest haven't logged in yet so no idea.
And yeah, while they can do whatever they want WRT banning, it's a bit off banning people between the time the problem is fixed (with a hint in the MOTD suggesting it's now fixed) and the time the senior GM makes a post about it on the forums (6 hours?!). And yes, the permabans were for people who've been banned before, but compared to some things I've seen people do and not even get warned for this is quite out of order imo
That does sound incredibly out of order. I shall be watching this situation closely in the hopes that someone with a much higher IQ looks at the case... 
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Sofia Roseburn
Caldari
Stimulus
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:55:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Sofia Roseburn on 11/12/2007 01:56:08
Originally by: Kery Syander
Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: GO MaZ
Half of my corp's directorship were permabanned for finding & shooting an offline POS (while randomly roaming) after the patch & downtime this morning
You can't just randomly ban people for semantics
Well they can, but they probably shouldn't. Were they really permabanned or could it have been temporary?
2 Permabanned so far, 1 warning, rest haven't logged in yet so no idea.
And yeah, while they can do whatever they want WRT banning, it's a bit off banning people between the time the problem is fixed (with a hint in the MOTD suggesting it's now fixed) and the time the senior GM makes a post about it on the forums (6 hours?!). And yes, the permabans were for people who've been banned before, but compared to some things I've seen people do and not even get warned for this is quite out of order imo
That does sound incredibly out of order. I shall be watching this situation closely in the hopes that someone with a much higher IQ looks at the case...
I agree with this. Punishment because a GM didn't bother to inform everyone until 6 hours after the fix had been made, on a place that 10% of the population use tops? Disgraceful CCP.
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Farham
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.12.11 02:07:00 -
[58]
Uhmm, there are still some pretty major bugs with POSs and at least one of them is either new since the "hot fix" or just discovered that allows any ship inside an active forcefield to be targeted and destroyed.
Might want to reconsider that "all is well" theme you have going.
Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot |
Dark 0men
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.11 02:32:00 -
[59]
Permabanning players for your own communication ****ups is bad customer service, CCP. What are you going to do when your next MMO fails because your GMs come from ****** asylums?
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humbleThC
Gallente
The humble Crew
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.11 03:02:00 -
[60]
Far from fixed...
just spent an hour with 50 guys shooting a offline tower, we couldnt hurt.
And yeah gogo CCP banning people for your own buggy software, lack of communication, lack of standards, and umm lack of class.
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Stanya
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Posted - 2007.12.11 03:19:00 -
[61]
Originally by: GO MaZ
...and they shot at the POS less than 30 minutes before the forum post stating POS warfare is allowed again
classic..
umm, pos warfare is defined an exploit......
... and you go shooting things before its officially announced that you can...
pure win.
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GO MaZ
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 03:27:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Stanya
Originally by: GO MaZ
...and they shot at the POS less than 30 minutes before the forum post stating POS warfare is allowed again
classic..
umm, pos warfare is defined an exploit......
... and you go shooting things before its officially announced that you can...
pure win.
6 hours AFTER a patch which said in the MOTD it was to solve the POS issues... conflicting signals much?
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Stanya
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Posted - 2007.12.11 03:38:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Stanya on 11/12/2007 03:38:47
not at all.
never assume anything
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GO MaZ
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 03:47:00 -
[64]
Edited by: GO MaZ on 11/12/2007 03:46:49
Originally by: Stanya
Edited by: Stanya on 11/12/2007 03:38:47
not at all.
never assume anything
Permabanning 2+ people who've played since 03/04 is just punishment for killing a couple of bestowers, a hulk and a few corp hangar arrays in error at an offline POS C/D?
Also, donges.
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Ari Chu
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.11 04:06:00 -
[65]
I was very surprised that they are currently allowing POS warfare again TBH. After announcing the Ban on the warfare - I imagine some people jumpcloned (for whatever reason), expecting that they would have atleast 24 hours notice that they needed to jump back and get ready to resume POS battles...
... wow was I wrong.
BTW - I specifically remember requesting a 24 hour notification so that players would know without a doubt when POS warfare could resume... which would minimize the confussion which could lead to players getting banned for participating before they were supposed to.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.11 05:55:00 -
[66]
Originally by: GO MaZ
6 hours AFTER a patch which said in the MOTD it was to solve the POS issues... conflicting signals much?
It was attempting to. It however DID NOT, fix all the POS issues, most people are surprised that POS Warfare was re-allowed and many more are surprised that they didn't give 24hrs warning. Instead your guys attempted to exploit the fact that the owners of the POS you attacked probably were not online and had no idea that a ban had been lifted (Which it had not.)
MOTD says they're attempting to fix POS issues, that you can assume they mean they have been fixed it a stretch, and even if they had it didn't say the ban had been lifted, it said they were trying to fix the issues. ISSUES that had been around for almost 5 days before the BAN proving that the ban and the issues don't exactly coincide with timeframe.
Your alliance also jumped a fleet into a system with a cyno jammer before being turned arround by a GM, you've been non-stop attempting to exploit this since patch day. Even Goonswarm and BoB and hell, just about every big alliance out there has been giving POS warfare the wide berth it deserves even before the ban.
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GO MaZ
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 06:00:00 -
[67]
Edited by: GO MaZ on 11/12/2007 06:01:13
Originally by: Admiral Nova
Originally by: GO MaZ
6 hours AFTER a patch which said in the MOTD it was to solve the POS issues... conflicting signals much?
It was attempting to. It however DID NOT, fix all the POS issues, most people are surprised that POS Warfare was re-allowed and many more are surprised that they didn't give 24hrs warning. Instead your guys attempted to exploit the fact that the owners of the POS you attacked probably were not online and had no idea that a ban had been lifted (Which it had not.)
MOTD says they're attempting to fix POS issues, that you can assume they mean they have been fixed it a stretch, and even if they had it didn't say the ban had been lifted, it said they were trying to fix the issues. ISSUES that had been around for almost 5 days before the BAN proving that the ban and the issues don't exactly coincide with timeframe.
Your alliance also jumped a fleet into a system with a cyno jammer before being turned arround by a GM, you've been non-stop attempting to exploit this since patch day. Even Goonswarm and BoB and hell, just about every big alliance out there has been giving POS warfare the wide berth it deserves even before the ban.
I think you'll find just about everyone in TRI has been spamming GM's with petitions about the POS issues and afaik we've been handled pretty poorly, being ****** about by a load of different GM's telling us yes and no to everything before finally getting a proper response when GM Grimmi made a forum post...
If the patch deployed during downtime on the 10th didn't work, then why the hell did they allow POS warfare again, bear in mind the post was made literally 30 minutes after people shot at that POS? NOTHING CHANGED...
This whole issue has been handled incredibly poorly and even if it wasn't some of my corpmates who ended up permabanned for it I'd be ****ed
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Virtuozzo
IRON Tech
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.12.11 07:42:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Virtuozzo on 11/12/2007 07:43:35
Originally by: GO MaZ
If the patch deployed during downtime on the 10th didn't work, then why the hell did they allow POS warfare again, bear in mind the post was made literally 30 minutes after people shot at that POS? NOTHING CHANGED...
Because they're being pushed and pulled in 10 different directions with too little time to fully work things out.
Originally by: GO MaZ
This whole issue has been handled incredibly poorly and even if it wasn't some of my corpmates who ended up permabanned for it I'd be ****ed
Yup. I see a LOT of hard work from overworked GM's though, but even with this affecting only a part of EVE the sheer load is still weighing down.
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Star Nove
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.11 09:48:00 -
[69]
Would it not be wise to take the server down at DT and leave it down until these problems are fixed? If I have to travel 10 jumps each way to offline, unlink and online 2 jump bridges again, I'm going to lose my sense of humour.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.11 12:21:00 -
[70]
In my opinion if people get told not to engage in POS warfare by a GM and then start doing it again before a GM tells them that it is ok, they are idiots and deserve to be banned. CCP made the ban on POS warfare, and CCP lifts it. They didn't wait for it to be lifted.
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GO MaZ
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:59:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Virtuozzo
Because they're being pushed and pulled in 10 different directions with too little time to fully work things out.
This is why it should've been done at downtime
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Eacham Graeme
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:23:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Eacham Graeme on 11/12/2007 16:24:09
Let me figure this out again:
CCP says no POS warfare at such and such a time, or you will be severly dealt with.
Group A violates a clearly posted and written rule and engages in POS warfare.
Wherein lies the problem?
They broke the rules, plain and simple. If it had been 1 hour, 6 hours, or 24 hours before the announcement was made to resume POS warfare, it would have changed nothing. They were told, and they broke those rules. The jury rules GUILTY AS CHARGED
Blasted POS' are still broke and need fixed pretty danged quick...but that is another issue altogether.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.11 17:48:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Eacham Graeme
Edited by: Eacham Graeme on 11/12/2007 16:24:09
Let me figure this out again:
CCP says no POS warfare at such and such a time, or you will be severly dealt with.
Group A violates a clearly posted and written rule and engages in POS warfare.
Wherein lies the problem?
Well I read that MOTD as it's allowed again as well, which even made me think wow that was fast.
The issue is how they communicated this:
1. POS Warfare ban was broadcasted ingame
2. POS Warfare ban lift got a forum post only and later an news item to the right once you are logged in?
This is how it should have been done:
1. Broadcast POS Warfare ban and stick it as MOTD and on forums and as news article.
2. Announce the POS Warfare ban will be lifted after DT on day x and stick it as MOTD and on forums and as news article.
I mean it's not like you can send a petition: just to clarify are we allowed to attack this POS we found in xxx now? It will prolly be a couple of weeks before Trinity 2 when that response arrives. Well they could have send in a stuck petition with that question and gotten a prompt response but then again they would prolly have been banned for abusing the stuck petition system.
If you want to send out a message to your customers then make sure your communication mechanism are in place and people know what to expect before permabanning your customers. IMHO i dont even find a warning to be the correct way to go as the MOTD read that it was fixed (or could be read as such).
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.11 18:49:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Admiral Nova on 11/12/2007 18:49:52
Originally by: GO MaZ
If the patch deployed during downtime on the 10th didn't work, then why the hell did they allow POS warfare again, bear in mind the post was made literally 30 minutes after people shot at that POS? NOTHING CHANGED...
This whole issue has been handled incredibly poorly and even if it wasn't some of my corpmates who ended up permabanned for it I'd be ****ed
My bet is that they had jumped into a cyno jammed system before the patch, most of your alliance was warned and moved by GMs for this, they were able to escape detection / sneak into another system and continued to exploit AFTER being warned.
Sorry, you cheat you get banned. You even got warned, and you still try it.
If a GM posts that it's dissallowed, only a GM posting again that it IS allowed is acceptable resolution of that. Even before it was disallowed you could have been banned for it, and even after the ban has been lifted you can still be banned for it due to the OTHER exploit with the 0ROF dreads.
So you have corpmates trying their hardest to exploit this and the GMs are busy enough as it is. This is really pathetic and you make your whole alliance look like whiny little cheaters who are complaining because they got caught deliberately breaking the rules for their own advantage multiple times got warned, and STILL continued to exploit.
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Malibu Stacey
Gallente
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.11 19:34:00 -
[75]
Originally by: GO MaZ
I think you'll find just about everyone in TRI has been spamming GM's with petitions about the POS issues and afaik we've been handled pretty poorly, being ****** about by a load of different GM's telling us yes and no to everything before finally getting a proper response when GM Grimmi made a forum post...
If the patch deployed during downtime on the 10th didn't work, then why the hell did they allow POS warfare again, bear in mind the post was made literally 30 minutes after people shot at that POS? NOTHING CHANGED...
This whole issue has been handled incredibly poorly and even if it wasn't some of my corpmates who ended up permabanned for it I'd be ****ed
Epic post of epic win.
"Everyone" in your alliance has been petitioning GMs about the POS issues (your words, see the first line of the quote) so you decide to go exploit someone else's POS & then whine when your corp and/or alliance mates get banned for it? I'm sure you'd just suck it up if some corp or alliance decided to do the same to you right? Right?
The irony is clearly wasted here.
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GO MaZ
Spartan Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 20:10:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Malibu Stacey
Epic post of epic win.
"Everyone" in your alliance has been petitioning GMs about the POS issues (your words, see the first line of the quote) so you decide to go exploit someone else's POS & then whine when your corp and/or alliance mates get banned for it? I'm sure you'd just suck it up if some corp or alliance decided to do the same to you right? Right?
The irony is clearly wasted here.
Two seperate issues. Any capital ops we had planned were BEFORE the POS warfare ban was put into place; after a ****load of petitioning, GM Grimmi finally posts saying that POS ops are banned, and our ops were cancelled. AFAIK, no-one exploited anything since we all stopped when the ban was put in place.
A patch is then applied at downtime on the 10th, with a nice little MOTD as the server comes up stating rather ********ly it's to fix the POS issues, people assume that with a fix it's now allowed to shoot posses again. Roaming gang comes across an offline POS, decides to shoot it since they believed the POS warfare ban was lifted 6 hours earlier when the patch was applied, resulting in 2 x permabans, 1 x 7 day ban, 1 x warning and 1 x nothing...
When the punishment for breaking these rules are so severe, who the **** in their right mind would break it deliberately (KNOWING 100% that the ban was still on) to kill a couple of haulers and a corp hangar....
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Captain Havoc
Caldari
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.11 20:17:00 -
[77]
I'm not 100% sure about this but as i remember in the management screen of POS's under "Structures" > "Access" i was pretty damn sure you could set the "Use" section of the access for a jump bridge to "Alliance" now it has no setting, which i am pretty sure is what's stopping alliance members from using them, they will need to release another patch to fix that.
Also the known issue where you offline one end of a link and the other end becomes stuck (JB on other end goes offline but acts like it's still online) is still there, which they said they would fix in Trinity.
Dark Centuri Inc.
POS Director
FIX POS Logistics Coordinator
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Eacham Graeme
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.12.11 21:03:00 -
[78]
Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Malibu Stacey
A patch is then applied at downtime on the 10th, with a nice little MOTD as the server comes up stating rather ********ly it's to fix the POS issues, people assume that with a fix it's now allowed to shoot posses again.
When the punishment for breaking these rules are so severe, who the **** in their right mind would break it deliberately (KNOWING 100% that the ban was still on) to kill a couple of haulers and a corp hangar....
Sorry Dude, I don't have a dog in this fight, but no matter how you mince and dice this subject, your people got caught with their hands in the cookie jar and are now paying the price.
We all know what happens when you assume something...
With as broke as the game has been as of late, making an assumption about the fix actually working and that all will be returned to normal...
Well, your folks got what they deserved, if for no other reason, than making such a silly assumption in the first place.
Consider it an application of Darwin's Law
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Kery Syander
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 22:37:00 -
[79]
Yeah, it totally makes sense for GMs to ban as many people as possible for CCP's awful communication with the playerbase.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.11 23:00:00 -
[80]
How could you possibly understand a statement saying that they are deploying a patch intended to fix the POS issues as a lift on the ban on POS warfare?
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Niffetin
Gallente
CONsordium Infinate
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Posted - 2007.12.12 06:45:00 -
[81]
Someone got banned over this?
Damn those GM's must have lots of sticks up their arses.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.12 08:09:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Kery Syander
Yeah, it totally makes sense for GMs to ban as many people as possible for CCP's awful communication with the playerbase.
That POS warefare was banned was about the only thing they had clearly communicated to the playerbase. Banning them was about the only thing they have done that DOES make sense.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.12 08:10:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Niffetin
Someone got banned over this?
Damn those GM's must have lots of sticks up their arses.
This shows they are at least capbable of pulling them out and using them some of the time when required.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.12.12 09:57:00 -
[84]
this thread is now about Go MaZ and bans,
ok go
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Tobiron
Cohortes Vigilum
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:45:00 -
[85]
Warning, I will be going back on topic 37 words from now on.
We don't know the full details of why anyone was banned and probably should not be discussing it anyway. I sure there is an appeal procedure and I expect this is what is called a fluid situation
In hind sight (beautiful thing that it is), It would have been better to announce that POS warfare would be derestricted from a given time and date. To announce this kind of thing immediately gives an advantage to the few and not all. However, the kids at CCP are clearly under fire from all directions and it's unrealistic to expect perfect communication and actions at this time. What they have done is important but what CCP do in the end is what is really matters.
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Tellok
Shadow Company
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:07:00 -
[86]
loging in and out of game whenever is by ccp's own words not concidered an exploit. please can you get some consistancy in this area.
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Akrinos LuCont
Gallente
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:13:00 -
[87]
For the HORDE!!!!!....oops.
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Siresa Talesi
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:31:00 -
[88]
Originally by: GO MaZ
Edited by: GO MaZ on 11/12/2007 06:01:13
Originally by: Admiral Nova
Originally by: GO MaZ
(stuff)
(more stuff)
I think you'll find just about everyone in TRI has been spamming GM's with petitions about the POS issues and afaik we've been handled pretty poorly, being ****** about by a load of different GM's telling us yes and no to everything before finally getting a proper response when GM Grimmi made a forum post...
If the patch deployed during downtime on the 10th didn't work, then why the hell did they allow POS warfare again, bear in mind the post was made literally 30 minutes after people shot at that POS? NOTHING CHANGED...
This whole issue has been handled incredibly poorly and even if it wasn't some of my corpmates who ended up permabanned for it I'd be ****ed
By your own admission, the event took place before the ban was lifted. Whether 30 minutes or 30 seconds, this qualifies as a violation, no other way around it.
Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Malibu Stacey
(still more stuff)
Two seperate issues. Any capital ops we had planned were BEFORE the POS warfare ban was put into place; after a ****load of petitioning, GM Grimmi finally posts saying that POS ops are banned, and our ops were cancelled. AFAIK, no-one exploited anything since we all stopped when the ban was put in place.
A patch is then applied at downtime on the 10th, with a nice little MOTD as the server comes up stating rather ********ly it's to fix the POS issues, people assume that with a fix it's now allowed to shoot posses again. Roaming gang comes across an offline POS, decides to shoot it since they believed the POS warfare ban was lifted 6 hours earlier when the patch was applied, resulting in 2 x permabans, 1 x 7 day ban, 1 x warning and 1 x nothing...
When the punishment for breaking these rules are so severe, who the **** in their right mind would break it deliberately (KNOWING 100% that the ban was still on) to kill a couple of haulers and a corp hangar....
(boldface/italics added for emphasis)
You assumed. You did not verify. There was nothing in the MOTD to indicate that the ban was lifted, only that they were attempting to fix the issues behind the ban, meaning you read something into the message that was not there. I can understand why you and your friends are upset over this, but the truth of the matter is that the fault is yours. You misread, you misunderstood, and you screwed up. Never make assumptions on matters where you can't afford to be wrong. You clearly understood the consequences of violating the ban, yet you chose not to make certain that the ban had been lifted prior to taking an action that, if you were wrong, put you at serious risk. You took that risk, now you have to live with the consequences. Welcome to life.
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Mik kyo
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.13 13:50:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Siresa Talesi
You took that risk, now you have to live with the consequences. Welcome to life.
yeah but perma bans? I mean if I was a GM that would be the equivalent of me banning you for being a gigantic pr*ck. Not really fair, even if the ban has some founding.
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Siresa Talesi
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Posted - 2007.12.13 19:48:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Mik kyo
Originally by: Siresa Talesi
You took that risk, now you have to live with the consequences. Welcome to life.
yeah but perma bans? I mean if I was a GM that would be the equivalent of me banning you for being a gigantic pr*ck. Not really fair, even if the ban has some founding.
Not at all.
There was a posted ban on POS warfare. They chose to ignore said ban. They took such action regardless of there having been no such announcement declaring the lifting of the ban. According to GO Maz himself, they understood the stated consequences of breaking this ban, so cannot claim ignorance. What other course of action is left for CCP to take in the face of such a blatant violation?
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Abrynn
Minmatar
CCCP INC
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.16 03:46:00 -
[91]
You wanna know what sux its when your in a war and your pos's start shooting you for no reason, when you go back and you cant use and alliance JB cause only thier corp can use it and CCP wont fix it, When your at war and you go to the pos to get rep'd and the pos kills you.
Yup POS's are all good 
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Gazbo
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Posted - 2007.12.16 13:39:00 -
[92]
Yup come on CCP stop pos warfare till they are fixed please. Jump bridges not working, POS guns shooting friendlies even when under manual control, getting shot inside the shields. You must stop this now, get it fixed.
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scorpion takis
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Posted - 2007.12.16 22:35:00 -
[93]
HERE HERE!
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Visas No
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:37:00 -
[94]
http://mse.myminicity.com/
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