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Lucian Stratos	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:46:00 - [1] well i wanted to move on to LvL 4 missions and i wanted a ship to do them solo in so everyone said `your caldari get a raven` well i have to say im verry verry disapointed with it. Is it my fit i have been useing the following HIGH SLOTS 6 X Cruise Missile Launcher I 2 X Duel 250mm Large railguns MEDIUM SLOTS 1 X Invulnerability Field II 2 X Large Shield Extender II 3 X Shield Recharger II LOW SLOTS 5 X Shield Power Relay II RIG`S 1 X Core Defence Field Extender I 2 X Core Defence Field Purger I How is this fit for soloing LvL 4 missions because i have struggled on missions with it dose anyone know how to make it better???
NoNah	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:48:00 - [2] First off, why on earth are you trying to passive tank it? It's NOT a Drake. Secondly, hows your skills? Take a look at some of the Ravensetups posted aroud the boards. You'll notice a few differences. Postcount: 455770
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:50:00 - [3] Edited by: Last Wolf on 11/12/2007 00:52:22 Only 3 Things wrong with your setup. All the mids All the lows All the rigs. Also, tech I cruise launchers with no damage mods? You're doing less DPS than a caracal.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:51:00 - [4] ACTIVE shield tank on Ravens.
Takahashi Clutch	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:53:00 - [5] Edited by: Takahashi Clutch on 11/12/2007 00:54:06 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=294722
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:55:00 - [6] Originally by: Last Wolf Edited by: Last Wolf on 11/12/2007 00:52:22 Only 3 Things wrong with your setup. All the mids All the lows All the rigs. Also, tech I cruise launchers with no damage mods? You're doing less DPS than a caracal. Well thats why he is asking for a better build. How about you help him out instead of being a jackazz? --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:57:00 - [7] I prefer smartass, but I like some variety now and then.
Arthur Frayn Veterans Of Liberation Ltd.	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:58:00 - [8] Stock-standard Raven setup if there ever was one: High slots: 6 x Cruise 2 x Whatever Med slots: 1 x XL Shield booster 1 x Shield Boost Amp 4 x Rat-specific Hardeners Low slots: 3 x Ballistic Controls 2 x Power Diagnostic Systems If you want to run missions a little faster when you're stuck with acceleration gates at 90km away, swap out the shield boost amp for an afterburner. There's really nothing more to it than that. -- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes.
Aliza Snow	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:52:00 - [9] I see this fit mentioned too : 6x cruise launcher 2x whatever fits 1x XL shield booster 1x shield boost amp 3x hardeners 1x cap recharger 3x ballistic control 2x power diagnostic 3x CCC rigs Use T2 or better mods, may not be cap stable or even fit on your ship depending on skills. Not responsible for losses. ;)
Arthur Frayn Veterans Of Liberation Ltd.	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:02:00 - [10] The cap recharger is unnecessary on a setup like that with 3 CCC's and 2 PDS's. You're much better off with another hardener depending on the mission, or a sensor booster, etc. A good rule for any shield tanker is that fitting cap rechargers are a waste of precious med slots. -- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:05:00 - [11] Any of the above setups with XL boosters should work fine. The problem is all in your fitting.
Shandelzare	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:53:00 - [12] if you want a raven setup, that's gonna have little more room for manouvering, when it comes to cap, fit something like this: High: 6x arbalest or tech2 cruise launchers 2x Heavy Diminishing NoS Mid: X-Large Shield booster, best named, tech2 or faction heavy electrochemical or tech2 cap booster 4x rat specific hardener low: you're probably gonna need atleast 3 power diags to fit all that in, maybe 4 or 5 if you have really crappy fitting skills, anyway, fit as many power diags as you need to make all the other stuff fit, and fill all the free low slots with ballistic control II's rigs: 3x CCC it ain't the highest dps raven fit out there, but you WON'T lose it on a mission
Dunpeal Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:55:00 - [13] Edited by: Dunpeal on 11/12/2007 02:56:29 Edited by: Dunpeal on 11/12/2007 02:55:56 Other than what has been said, my advice is follow the guideline fitting people have posted about, but you will soon find out that the tank is overkill for 95% of the missions and will put in a afterburner/target painter and a large shield booster for mission efficiency, but that in due time, for 'safety' at first DO use x-large booster but understand that you must NOT use it constantly or you will be capless and thus dead in seconds, so you must manage the shield booster to manage your cap, in due time you will be more confortable just running a large booster with you knowing it wont hurt your cap nearly as much and that you will eventually start slaughtering the npc's before they hurt you badly. Godspeed http://draken.com.sapo.pt/Backstory.htm http://www.save-evetv.com/
Arthur Frayn Veterans Of Liberation Ltd.	Posted - 2007.12.11 03:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 11/12/2007 03:11:42 Originally by: Shandelzare if you want a raven setup, that's gonna have little more room for manouvering, when it comes to cap, fit something like this: 2x Heavy Diminishing NoS NoS is broken for PVE. Get with the times. -- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes.
K'jata	Posted - 2007.12.11 03:29:00 - [15] I think the raven is quite skill intensive, personally i run lvl 4s in a drake or a maelstrom, takes a while tbh but ravens are dpsy but the tank is hard to set up if you don't know how
SexehGallente Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.11 05:17:00 - [16] 6 cruise launchers drone link tractor beam Mid: XL shield booster boost amp Heavy cap booster 3 specific hardeners Low: 3 ballistic controls 2 pdu's 3 ccc rigs
Requiescat Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.12.11 05:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Stock-standard Raven setup if there ever was one: High slots: 6 x Cruise 2 x Whatever Med slots: 1 x XL Shield booster 1 x Shield Boost Amp 4 x Rat-specific Hardeners Low slots: 3 x Ballistic Controls 2 x Power Diagnostic Systems If you want to run missions a little faster when you're stuck with acceleration gates at 90km away, swap out the shield boost amp for an afterburner. There's really nothing more to it than that. My exact fit. Just solo'd level 4 Massive Attack, no warp outs. My 2x whatever in the highs are 200mm railguns with antimatter M loaded, although for two-manning higher quality missions I swap one for a large shield transfer, one of my PDU for a Co-pro, and could probably swap the other for a tractor beam if I wanted to (I don't; I don't loot my 4s x.x) Victory - Honor = Loss
Requiescat Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.12.11 05:53:00 - [18] Originally by: SexehGallente 6 cruise launchers drone link tractor beam Mid: XL shield booster boost amp Heavy cap booster 3 specific hardeners Low: 3 ballistic controls 2 pdu's 3 ccc rigs NOOOOOOO Why? Victory - Honor = Loss
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Requiescat Originally by: SexehGallente 6 cruise launchers drone link tractor beam Mid: XL shield booster boost amp Heavy cap booster 3 specific hardeners Low: 3 ballistic controls 2 pdu's 3 ccc rigs NOOOOOOO Why? Cap boosters are hardly a bad idea on an active shield tank. Sure, you've got to deal with big heavy cap charges, but it enables you to survive MUCH higher peak damage, because you can run your shield booster as much as you want if things get hairy. It's more effective than a cap recharger, THAT's for sure! Ugh. Originally by: Slayton Ford a Drake is normally primaried last And that's why I love that homely boat!
SexehGallente Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:07:00 - [20] Edited by: SexehGallente on 11/12/2007 06:09:18 Originally by: Requiescat Originally by: SexehGallente 6 cruise launchers drone link tractor beam Mid: XL shield booster boost amp Heavy cap booster 3 specific hardeners Low: 3 ballistic controls 2 pdu's 3 ccc rigs NOOOOOOO Why? Have you even tried one? Without a gist booster I think the cap booster is pretty much needed. My main has maxed cap skills also.. I'll try 4 hardeners but I doubt it'll work as good. Though you never know..
Exiled One Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:15:00 - [21] cruise missile launcher II x6, 350mm II x2 Gist b-type XL + DG/CN AMP, 4 t2 hardeners 3x ballistic ctrl II, 2x pdus II 2x ccc, 1x anti-em something (+30% em res)
Oam Mkoll Caldari HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Last Wolf Edited by: Last Wolf on 11/12/2007 00:52:22 Only 3 Things wrong with your setup. All the mids All the lows All the rigs. Also, tech I cruise launchers with no damage mods? You're doing less DPS than a caracal. QFT, half-assed fit at best. What gave you the idea to use the worst cruise launchers in the game? BTW if your missile skills suck, don't bother with the raven for now. --- I am violence boat
Alitha Maru Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.12.11 08:52:00 - [23] Edited by: Alitha Maru on 11/12/2007 08:54:24 Of course you can passive tank a Raven, here is one setup that I have used to do all Serpentis lvl 4 missions before: High: 6x Cruise II 2x Whatever is your flavour Med: 2x LSE 2x Heat Field II 2x Ballistic Field II Low: 2x BCU II 3x SPR II Rigs: 3x Purgers Of course also skills and implants affects this setup, just as anyone elses. But for me, it works great. I can do a pretty standard boosted set-up too if you like: High: 6x Cruise II 2x Whatever is your flavour Med: X-Large SB II SBA II Cap Recharger II Heat Field II Ballistic Field II Invul Field II Low: 2x BCU 2x CPR II 1x CFC II Rigs: 3x CCC Both ships, for me, do 518 dps with drones, 390 with missiles only. Point is, these two ships are different yet the same. They can both tank just as much damage. Active, and passive. I have personally used them both. There is no 1 set-up to rule them all, and if there was it would be pretty boring. Ships can be set up any number of ways, and different for each mission too. Just have fun, it's a game and it's not about conformity. EDIT: Oh, the active setup runs forever for me. With the right, not expensive at all, +3% implants.
Oam Mkoll Caldari HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 09:04:00 - [24] Edited by: Oam Mkoll on 11/12/2007 09:10:06 Originally by: Alitha Maru High: 6x Cruise II 2x Whatever is your flavour Med: X-Large SB II SBA II Cap Recharger II Heat Field II Ballistic Field II Invul Field II Low: 2x BCU 2x CPR II 1x CFC II Rigs: 3x CCC I'm not sure whether to laugh my arse off or just cry for you. An active setup, with SBA at that (which isn't mandatory at all) nerfed with capacitor power relays.. Good god! Every time you fit CPR on an active tank, god kills a kitten. Think of all the poor kittens.. --- I am violence boat
Alitha Maru Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.12.11 09:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Oam Mkoll I'm not sure whether to laugh my arse off or just cry for you. An active setup, with SBA at that (which isn't mandatory at all) nerfed with capacitor power relays.. Good god! Every time you fit CPR on an active tank, god kills a kitten. Think of all the poor kittens.. You just proved my point really. Everyone that thinks that a ship only has one, or few, possible setups always does. Point is, as long as a setup works....it works. Of course I have better setups, I have faction mods up the wazoo if I want to. But the point here was to demonstrate that there really is no recipe for any ship as it can have a variety of setup that works.
Hectaire Glade Forum Jockey	Posted - 2007.12.11 09:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Alitha Maru Originally by: Oam Mkoll I'm not sure whether to laugh my arse off or just cry for you. An active setup, with SBA at that (which isn't mandatory at all) nerfed with capacitor power relays.. Good god! Every time you fit CPR on an active tank, god kills a kitten. Think of all the poor kittens.. You just proved my point really. Everyone that thinks that a ship only has one, or few, possible setups always does. Point is, as long as a setup works....it works. Of course I have better setups, I have faction mods up the wazoo if I want to. But the point here was to demonstrate that there really is no recipe for any ship as it can have a variety of setup that works. I think what he's trying to say, very correctly, is that fitting a mod which undoes the value of another mod in a setup has a net effect of wasting some or all of the full the potential of both module slots'. In other words, CPRs on an active boosted setup are a bad, bad, idea. Yes its still functional, but has a decreased tanking effectiveness over some of the more common fits.
Alitha Maru Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.12.11 09:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Hectaire Glade I think what he's trying to say, very correctly, is that fitting a mod which undoes the value of another mod in a setup has a net effect of wasting some or all of the full the potential of both module slots'. In other words, CPRs on an active boosted setup are a bad, bad, idea. Yes its still functional, but has a decreased tanking effectiveness over some of the more common fits. In that case, and thank you for answering in polite and constructive terms. I am at work, so I can't fiddle about with setups. But iirc I made it so I could perma-run the booster and thus had to use CPR to make it do so. And since the tank was enough for the missions anyhow I just let it go.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2007.12.11 10:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Exiled One cruise missile launcher II x6, 350mm II x2 Gist b-type XL + DG/CN AMP, 4 t2 hardeners 3x ballistic ctrl II, 2x pdus II 2x ccc, 1x anti-em something (+30% em res) Wait, you put a billion isk gist booster on, but get cheap on bcu's? Odd priorities, imo. CN/DG BCU's are only 60-80mil.
Exiled One Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.11 10:36:00 - [29] Originally by: Qui Shon Originally by: Exiled One cruise missile launcher II x6, 350mm II x2 Gist b-type XL + DG/CN AMP, 4 t2 hardeners 3x ballistic ctrl II, 2x pdus II 2x ccc, 1x anti-em something (+30% em res) Wait, you put a billion isk gist booster on, but get cheap on bcu's? Odd priorities, imo. CN/DG BCU's are only 60-80mil. It was a general idea of what the setup should be, if I posted real setups I'd be flamed for omgilikenothave4bilisk. And lol @ passive tankage.
Oam Mkoll Caldari HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:32:00 - [30] Edited by: Oam Mkoll on 11/12/2007 11:32:37 omgwtfbbq with reasonable returns (I know you can Estamel everything but there's no need): CNR HI: 7xCN/DG Cruise + Tractor/Drone Link MED: Gist B-Type XL SB Officer SBA Large Extender II 3 specific hardeners (passive if you have the skills/ISK) LOW: 3xCN/DG BCS 2xPDU II (unless you go officer no need to go overboard with those) RIGS: Whatever suits you. 3xCCC, CCC + Cap Sa*uard, 3 field extenders or even a mix of resist rigs if you keep missioning in the same area. Works like a charm. With max skills it's unstoppable. Throw in a set of Crystals if you're crapping ISK. --- I am violence boat**

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