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CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:22:00 - [1] There is currently a problem with a few Starbases that makes it possible for those attacking them to increase their rate of fire so there's almost no delay. This is an exploit and we will take appropriate action against those found using it. We are currently working on a fix and it will be deployed as soon as possible. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."

flashfreaking LFC FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:31:00 - [2] Isn't this one of the reasons why POS warfare was prohibited in the first place? So POS warfare is allowed again => People will attack some, so if you get a ROF of 0 you get banned, even if you can't help it that your dread is just plain evil and made of pure Win? Hmmm, seems a bit weird tbh
WiseMan Ari Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:32:00 - [3] yea, i also was under the impression that 0 rate of fire was one of the reasons POS Warfare got banned [This space for rent] Support the NSPDP National Society For the Protection of Discriminated Pirates
Kirmok	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:33:00 - [4] Isn't this a pre trinity bug that's was already known?
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:34:00 - [5] wtf man. wasn't this one of the reasons why POS wars were temp banned? --- planetary interaction idea!
Lissa Isillia	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:35:00 - [6] How about a fix on the jump bridges as well?
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:43:00 - [7] Edited by: Garia666 on 11/12/2007 12:44:27 Edited by: Garia666 on 11/12/2007 12:43:31 lol Epic CCP post.. Your alloud to fire on POS but not realy.. hehehehe sigh CCP is so creddible these last days.. My advise is stop POS warfare untill you fix all problems.. instead of banning people ->My Vids<-
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:48:00 - [8] From what I'm getting so far, I'm assuming the starbase fix was to fix the forcefields not working, which was resulting in players accessing and destroying structures they shouldn't be able to. Since starbase warfare has now been allowed, I think it's safe to assume that the 0-ROF bug can't be used accidentally. Either that or CCP isn't making sense at all. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Xandria Pearl KIA Corp	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:09:00 - [9] How about you get it right this time? I'm sure the Eve playerbase isn't rushing to go to POS wars anyway
Fanjita	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Xandria Pearl How about you get it right this time? I'm sure the Eve playerbase isn't rushing to go to POS wars anyway Except bob who have inside knowledge
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:31:00 - [11] Prohibit POS warfare! Fix all problems with POS! TEST that you've fixed the problems! Allow POS warfare! This is not a difficult procedure to follow..... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:43:00 - [12] Considering that it took CCP a few days to put up the POS ban in the first place. And considering that it revoked that ban, only to put it back in place a little while later. How are you going to tell the different between people who try and exploit the situation, and those who do it completely by accident? Maybe you guys need a traffic-light system: Red - No POS warfare Green - Pew-Pew-Pew. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:46:00 - [13] So do you expect people on 0 rof bug to just sit there with a precision clock on their desk and only activate their guns when their normal rof would allow them? In case you didnt notice the 0 rof isnt something you exploit, YOUR GAME forces you to use it when you try firing on a POS. It would be as if you boosted mission rewards 100x by mistake then tell anyone thats running a mission he is exploiting. Seriously CCP what the christ... - Gob IXC Recruitment
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig So do you expect people on 0 rof bug to just sit there with a precision clock on their desk and only activate their guns when their normal rof would allow them? In case you didnt notice the 0 rof isnt something you exploit, YOUR GAME forces you to use it when you try firing on a POS. It would be as if you boosted mission rewards 100x by mistake then tell anyone thats running a mission he is exploiting. Seriously CCP what the christ... - Gob shrug A long time ago (2003 or 2004) it was prohibited to use decline mission tactic to gain insane ammounts of implants for a while (every 10 orso missions you would get an implant). --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
MadDoc Brown	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:00:00 - [15] I am speechless, yet I posted. The response time on these exploits are simply glacial. Poor poor GMs, the petition system must be going nuts.
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Shevar Originally by: Goberth Ludwig So do you expect people on 0 rof bug to just sit there with a precision clock on their desk and only activate their guns when their normal rof would allow them? In case you didnt notice the 0 rof isnt something you exploit, YOUR GAME forces you to use it when you try firing on a POS. It would be as if you boosted mission rewards 100x by mistake then tell anyone thats running a mission he is exploiting. Seriously CCP what the christ... - Gob shrug A long time ago (2003 or 2004) it was prohibited to use decline mission tactic to gain insane ammounts of implants for a while (every 10 orso missions you would get an implant). also for a day or 2 you could not use wasp drones in pvp due to the fact they had insain tracking! many an inty pilot must have died that day lol
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:21:00 - [17] brb EFT ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:34:00 - [18] Fail patch is fail. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Zamolxis Amarr Avaritia.	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Xtreem Originally by: Shevar Originally by: Goberth Ludwig So do you expect people on 0 rof bug to just sit there with a precision clock on their desk and only activate their guns when their normal rof would allow them? In case you didnt notice the 0 rof isnt something you exploit, YOUR GAME forces you to use it when you try firing on a POS. It would be as if you boosted mission rewards 100x by mistake then tell anyone thats running a mission he is exploiting. Seriously CCP what the christ... - Gob The Wasp ban was classic =d shrug A long time ago (2003 or 2004) it was prohibited to use decline mission tactic to gain insane ammounts of implants for a while (every 10 orso missions you would get an implant). also for a day or 2 you could not use wasp drones in pvp due to the fact they had insain tracking! many an inty pilot must have died that day lol
Gemberslaafje Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:46:00 - [20] Would someone mind telling me which starbases and which dreads fall under this 'exploit'? In fact, could you ban PoS warfare again? I hate it anyway :P
Joss Sparq Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:55:00 - [21] Edited by: Joss Sparq on 11/12/2007 14:57:06 Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Fail patch is fail. Serious nature of the topic aside, this made me smile EDIT: Oh, and I think it was the Revelation, wasn't it? That was what I heard, at least. (If so: Worlds funniest Amarr boost?)
Zenst Gallente Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:01:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Wrangler There is currently a problem with a few Starbases that makes it possible for those attacking them to increase their rate of fire so there's almost no delay. This is an exploit and we will take appropriate action against those found using it. We are currently working on a fix and it will be deployed as soon as possible. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you. Any chance of clarity upon this as its hard to do POS warfare when you warp fleet of dread in and then find POS shoots back but you cant shoot it as you suddenly find you have a ROF of zero soon as you go into seige - for example. As you can see it would be case of oh, so if I shoot I get banned and if I dont shoot I die. You can see the multitude of issues this could entail. Personly I would reinstate POS warfare until this has been fully resolved or until you can clarify EXACTLY what is an issue. You said its an issue and to not fully outline the exploit is when some know and others could blindly fall into it is pretty much neglagence at its zenith (you work for goverment in yoru sparetime I wonder :). So please outline exactly what is the issue so people can avoid and work around it or reinstate POS warfare BAN until resolved. Until then leaving undefined grey area's is only asking for trouble. I hope you see the sence in this, given all the facts.
Mickey Knox Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:10:00 - [23] congrats on already noticing that 6 days after the fact, just in case you guys dont know, the jump bridges dont work either, i figure pointing that out might give you guys a head start on fixing it. EPIC FAILURE PATCH ALL AROUND (but the quickest to date ) eve feels like i just "upgraded" from XP to Vista, you guys hanging out with microsoft devs now? un effen believable
Jenjuan Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:22:00 - [24] so when can we expect this AND the Jump Bridges to get fixed? I can't use any of the Jump Bridges from alliance members not in the same corp, I put in the password, and nothing happens. [url=http://profile.xfire.com/jenjuan][/url]
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:40:00 - [25] Wouldn't you only know if you are affected after you committed to an assault? . you'll never jump alone
Iva Soreass Personal Vendetta	Posted - 2007.12.11 15:57:00 - [26] What About The Jumpclone Implant Bugg. Is it to much to ask for a single ******* answer on this ?
Bumbum George	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:05:00 - [27] what about bannning eve as a whole until it is porperly patched again?!? this is getting ridiculous!
SaS 23 Caldari BioDyne Industries	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:13:00 - [28] Wake the .... up ccp! Get some http://www.hotsauceworld.com/wafuupco1l.html and start to do some work. Zed.
Propheci	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:15:00 - [29] Lol I can see why dev's don't post anything unless they absolutely have to, like going to work KNOWING that your entire day is gonna be filled with huge flatulant men and women who whine about having to walk up three steps to get to your office cause its HARD on them. Chill out everyone, why is everyone suprised when there is a huge patch that things go wrong? In what game does that NOT happen? Simmer, take a smoke break of your choice and play something else for a little if you can't deal. -P.S. this post may have been influenced by A) a long day at work or B) a smokebreak of my own, which dissolves me of any due responsibility for said post. Have a nice day :)
HeadWar Minmatar North Star Networks Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:17:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Wrangler There is currently a problem with a few Starbases that makes it possible for those attacking them to increase their rate of fire so there's almost no delay. Which Starbases? How do you increase your rate of fire? Without knowing this, it is very well possible to "exploit" by mistake. --- Не поговорите русского. F1, F2, F3...

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