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warf1	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:24:00 - [1] i have been scanned out so many time on misions now and had salvage and stole along with cargo from cans . the people who do this dont seem to flash red so there for i cannot attack them. as there is alot of isk to be made and the mision runner does all the work shud we not b able to blow these theifs up.
Yoinx Caldari JET FORCE	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:36:00 - [2] It's been stated by CCP many times. IF you searched the forums, you'd see this. Salvage does not belong to anyone. Odd though I admit, since they attach your portrait to the wreck. If they're stealing your loot though, you should be getting an aggression countdown. In which case you can attack them. - I wish I had something witty to put in a signature. -
Xioden Acap Lightspeed Enterprises Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:37:00 - [3] Get out of whatever mission hub your running your missions in. Destroying the wrecks they're heading for works also.
Fuazzole	Posted - 2007.12.11 13:44:00 - [4] You can shoot em if they steal loot, but not salvage. Loot theft is commonly a trap so really you can't do anythign about either salv/loot theft that way. One option is to use a Marauder/Dominix and loot/salv at the same time as killing. Another alternative is to move, thiers plenty gud agents all over empire. What you find is a large % of mission runners hang about the same agents and its just silly, there is so much lag in those systems you risk losing ships and thiers a lot more scan probing.
Stephen HB Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.12.11 14:07:00 - [5] HEY LOOK AT ME MUM I FOUND THE CAPSLOCK ---------- Guide to character creation by Akita T
Lyrecos Romal Mining Ventures Ltd.	Posted - 2007.12.11 21:55:00 - [6] the next question, of course, would be "Will Concord come for me in deadspace or can I camp my loot cans and pop the salvage thieves in safety?"
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.12.11 22:58:00 - [7] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 11/12/2007 22:59:04 Originally by: Lyrecos the next question, of course, would be "Will Concord come for me in deadspace or can I camp my loot cans and pop the salvage thieves in safety?" You can always pop salvage thieves, since in order to steal salvage, they have to take it out of one of your cans or the cargo hold of your ship (and you know what that means). However, anybody can create salvage from a wreck by using the salvage module on it, regardless of whose name is on the wreck. That is not salvage stealing, since the salvage is created in the cargo bay of the person who used the salvager on the wreck. Obviously, if it's in your cargo bay, you own it. So when salvage is created, it is created in the cargo bay of the owner. Before that, the salvage doesn't even exist, so it's not possible to steal it. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Commander Prishe Caldari The LoneStar Corp Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.12.12 01:05:00 - [8] Have run 100s and 100s of missions and always loot and salvage, ive never been "scanned out" or ever had anyone steal my salvage/loot. Im either incredibly lucky or it is incredibly rare. ---------------------------------------------------- No one here is exactly as he appears - G'Kar
Anhtarus Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.12 04:11:00 - [9] 1) use your onboard scanners to see if someone is trying to scan out mission runners, usually you can see them drop scan probes if they are closing on you. Having drones out makes it easier for them to scan you as well. 2)If you want to annoy the salvage thiefs, start shooting your wrecks. It cost money for them to use scan probes. Once they find they wasted a few probes and enter your mission area without any wrecks to salvage... except for frigate wrecks...lol...then boohoo to them.
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries	Posted - 2007.12.12 05:22:00 - [10] As said earlier, get out of those cramped-quarters mission hubs. Lots of mission runners all in the same place draws the scavengers like crazy. Find yourself an agent AWAY from all the traffic and you'll have minimal problems, if any. Salvage belongs to whoever manages to sucessfully salvage the wreck. If you tractor/salvage as you kill, there's little for an invader to 'steal'. _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition Drunken N Disorderly	Posted - 2007.12.12 06:47:00 - [11] POSTING IN ALL CAPS SUCKS! KINDA LIKE YOU! cry me a river, boo hoo, some poor sod spent 2-3 hours of his life to scan out you. not anyone else. he was going for you. yea, that must be it. how about you get out of motsu / saila?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.12 07:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 11/12/2007 22:59:04 Originally by: Lyrecos the next question, of course, would be "Will Concord come for me in deadspace or can I camp my loot cans and pop the salvage thieves in safety?" You can always pop salvage thieves, since in order to steal salvage, they have to take it out of one of your cans or the cargo hold of your ship (and you know what that means). However, anybody can create salvage from a wreck by using the salvage module on it, regardless of whose name is on the wreck. That is not salvage stealing, since the salvage is created in the cargo bay of the person who used the salvager on the wreck. Obviously, if it's in your cargo bay, you own it. So when salvage is created, it is created in the cargo bay of the owner. Before that, the salvage doesn't even exist, so it's not possible to steal it. I think you have hit on the nail why CCP keep taking salvage from players wrecks a legal act. To make it illegal they should implement a new mechanic or make use of a salvager an aggressive act. It is not that they approve of people salvaging other people wrecks, it is that implementing something to block that will require a lot of work and probably create new bug/exploits.
Kaya Divine Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.12 08:05:00 - [13] Inform other mission runners via local, that player with name John Doe is salvage thief...write his name in notepad, move away few jumps (find other agent) and start doing missions, if you see his name, or theirs name in local, go to another agent in another system do few mission, when they eventually find you, just return in previous system etc. But usually that kind of people are stationary in small trade hubs, and population 100+ is sufficient for theirs work... At end there is systems in high sec, where you can find 5max people in local 24/7... I consulted moralists to learn how to appear, philosophers to find out what to think and novelists to see what I could get away with and in the end it all came down to one principle:win or die.
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.12 10:41:00 - [14] If you salvage a wreck that still has loot inside, and that someone else own, the loot will be put into a cargo-can and still be flagged to whoever scored the kill when the wreck itself is despawned from salvaging. This, in my head, means that CCP regards the wreck as free game, and the loot as owned by whoever killed the rat. The reason why the wrecks have an owner showed in the Show Info tab, is because there is no cargocan or other way to properly indicate who owns the loot (wether there is loot or not) in a wreck. Optionally, to avoid confusion about ownership to the wrecks, CCP could simply let the loot, if any, from a rat end up in a cargocan seperate from the wreck it self, and thus leaving the wreck without any owner in the Show Info. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
Ventro69 Caldari Manson Family Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.12 11:25:00 - [15] Originally by: warf1 i have been scanned out so many time on misions now and had salvage and stole along with cargo from cans . the people who do this dont seem to flash red so there for i cannot attack them. as there is alot of isk to be made and the mision runner does all the work shud we not b able to blow these theifs up. NO! I made my ISK for my first Caracal from looting cans. Wish salvaging was around back then. Vote for Pedro!
Don West Caldari Eternal Pheonix Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2007.12.12 14:06:00 - [16] Tractor your destroyed ships in. Loot them. Smartbomb them all to hell.
Weeka Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.12.12 16:27:00 - [17] Smartbombing wrecks when a guy that probed you out is nearby has to be the dumbest idea ever, seriously
Don West Caldari Eternal Pheonix Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2007.12.12 19:18:00 - [18] Edited by: Don West on 12/12/2007 19:20:27 Edited by: Don West on 12/12/2007 19:19:41 Edited by: Don West on 12/12/2007 19:18:55 dumb idea? I just spent the time to kill the rats, clear the pocket of space. Rather anyone wants to admit it or not it did risk my ship, it did take my time. If someone is going to bring a salvage ship in before I can get back with a ship to store the loot, then dock and go back and get a salvager then I will destroy the salvage before someone else can get to it. In spite yes. I have every intention of salvaging the ships I destroyed. With MY time. Risking MY ship. I should have first salvage rights on it. If someone is going to wait in the wings like a vulture and attempt to take what they didn't earn. boom... I'll watch the salvage go up in flames before I let someone earn millions on salvage they didn't take the time to destroy themselves. And I'll do it with a smile knowing those probes weren't cheap.
Space Wanderer	Posted - 2007.12.12 19:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Don West I'll watch the salvage go up in flames before I let someone earn millions on salvage they didn't take the time to destroy themselves. And I'll do it with a smile knowing those probes weren't cheap. You mean you'll watch with a smile your domi go up in flames from angry concord? Really, if you are in highsec that's a pretty dumb idea, I have to agree....
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.12.12 19:55:00 - [20] He's saying he'd destroy his own wrecks, which I don't think anybody could reasonably fault him for. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Angel DeMorphis Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Don West In spite yes. I have every intention of salvaging the ships I destroyed. With MY time. Risking MY ship. I should have first salvage rights on it. If someone is going to wait in the wings like a vulture and attempt to take what they didn't earn. boom... I'll watch the salvage go up in flames before I let someone earn millions on salvage they didn't take the time to destroy themselves. And I'll do it with a smile knowing those probes weren't cheap. Weekly "salvage prober" thread! You did not spend your time and risk your ship to get salvage from some rat wrecks. You spent your time and risked your ship to complete a mission. You spent your time and risked your ship for bounty payout and mission rewards (and LP and standings, of course). You then would like to proceed to spend more time for salvage. If you spent your time for salvage it would be roaming asteroid belts looking for abandoned wrecks or probing out mission runners looking for wrecks to salvage. If you really had it in your head that you were spending your time for salvage, then you would actually be doing what was needed just for salvage, and not running missions. In reality, it turns out you were paid in loot, bounty, mission rewards, and LP for your mission. Salvaging is not a mission runners entitlement program. And, since I've put up a pretty thorough fight on this subject in other threads, this is probably the last word you'll hear from me. If you'd like to argue with what I've just said, do a forum search, perhaps looking on eve-search.com, and you will find that it's all been said before, so either let it rest, petition it, or GTFO.
Xauxau	Posted - 2007.12.12 22:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Angel DeMorphis Salvaging is not a mission runners entitlement program. I love this line. Can I have this as a sig? I don't like salvaging. Personally, I kind of enjoy it when a probe-skilled pack rat shows up. Reminds me I'm not playing a solo game even when mission running. They're welcome to sift the trash. Besides, I always imagine Neelix from that first episode of Voyager, floating around in his orbital trash heap looking for junk to stea....err...salvage. If some people want to roleplay shady scavengers, more power to them.
William Ortega	Posted - 2007.12.12 23:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Don West Edited by: Don West on 12/12/2007 19:20:27 Edited by: Don West on 12/12/2007 19:19:41 Edited by: Don West on 12/12/2007 19:18:55 dumb idea? I just spent the time to kill the rats, clear the pocket of space. Rather anyone wants to admit it or not it did risk my ship, it did take my time. If someone is going to bring a salvage ship in before I can get back with a ship to store the loot, then dock and go back and get a salvager then I will destroy the salvage before someone else can get to it. In spite yes. I have every intention of salvaging the ships I destroyed. With MY time. Risking MY ship. I should have first salvage rights on it. If someone is going to wait in the wings like a vulture and attempt to take what they didn't earn. boom... I'll watch the salvage go up in flames before I let someone earn millions on salvage they didn't take the time to destroy themselves. And I'll do it with a smile knowing those probes weren't cheap. Please, Please, Please! Smartbomb your wrecks in hi sek. I think that is the smartest idea anyone has ever had! Seriously you can pop all of the wrecks and cans at once... and the ebil thief won't get nothing. P.S. In case you couldn't detect all the sarcasm above, I will spell it out for you. The same reason you do not undock from Jita 4-4 smartbombing all the way is the reason you do not use a smartie when someone has probed out your mission. In case you do not believe me I'd advise you try it... in a faction fitted navy raven preferably.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion	Posted - 2007.12.13 03:54:00 - [24] LOUD NOISES! ---------------- Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
Weeka Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.12.13 05:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske He's saying he'd destroy his own wrecks, which I don't think anybody could reasonably fault him for. So probing him out and moving close to him - preferably cloaked, though not really necessary - is turning smartbombing and tractor beaming your wrecks into a good idea because... ? Not only do you - at least - sacrifice two high slots, he gets CONCORD when a cheap covert ops stealths close to him, and some happy fellow gets to loot a mission runner ship, or in the best case scenario he can't use his smartbombs anymore for fear of getting concord. The suggestion to use smartbombs to destroy your wrecks can only come from someone who was never probed before during missions.
Caliwyrm O'Libr Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.13 07:07:00 - [26] 1) move away from Motsu/Saila 2) Shoot and kill any wrecks they get close to. They will leave once they see that you won't allow them to get any salvage from you. 3) GET YOUR KEYBOARD CHECKED OUT>> YOUR CAPSLOCK OR SHIFT BUTTON MIGHT BE STUCK ======= Talk is cheap because supply always outweighs demand..
AncientGuardian	Posted - 2007.12.13 15:57:00 - [27] Edited by: AncientGuardian on 13/12/2007 15:58:07 my personal opinion on this, since it happend to me a few days ago. IN A DEADSPACE mission. If they can scan out my wrecks in deadspace, and they entered and do anything to my wrecks, they should be blinking red. I mean, come on, i had to use an gate to get in that space, and the ****** warped right in without a problem. ((i just hope one day, i kill a single BS, and leave the mission for one to go in there and have fun with the crowd) now, if ive completed the mission and called it in, thats another story, they can have at it.
Dragon Lord Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.13 17:26:00 - [28] Edited by: Dragon Lord on 13/12/2007 17:26:19 Edited by: Dragon Lord on 13/12/2007 17:25:58 A word of warning with shooting thiefs, sometimes its exactly what they want, in my noob days i fired on a condor steeling loot on my mish, he came back within a minute in a scorp, ecm'd my ferox to hell and ripped me apart with em torps. So to be honest its better you cant shoot them sometimes.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.12.13 17:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Weeka Originally by: Tsanse Kinske He's saying he'd destroy his own wrecks, which I don't think anybody could reasonably fault him for. So probing him out and moving close to him - preferably cloaked, though not really necessary - is turning smartbombing and tractor beaming your wrecks into a good idea because... ? My bad, I didn't read the thread all at once, and didn't realize he was the same guy specifically advocating smarties for blowing up wrecks. Yes, Smart Bombs are a bad idea in hisec, kiddies. Except frapsed right outside of Jita 4-4. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Pop Yu	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:46:00 - [30] I salvage wrecks in missions a lot. If they are active, I don't ask, but if someone pipes up in local or convos me and asks me not to, then I go find another mission runner - the time it takes to probe one out is trivial. Ever tried just asking the salvager nicely to go elsewhere? You'd probably be surprised. Diplomacy ftw.

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