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northwesten
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: northwesten on 11/12/2007 14:18:20
Court Hearing for Woman Accused of Having a Potty Mouth
The woman charged with disorderly conduct for swearing in her own bathroom was in court Monday in Scranton.
In October, Dawn Herb swore at her toilet when it overflowed. She admits it was loud enough for people outside to hear her. It lead to a citation and then, some help from the American Civil Liberties Union.
An attorney, acting at the request of the ACLU defended Herb's right to free speech. The charge is disorderly conduct but Dawn Herb was polite when she arrived at her hearing in west Scranton.
"Just hopefully this is the first time and the last time I have to come in here. Hopefully, it doesn't get extended, or, I hope the charges just get dropped. That's all I'm looking for," Herb said.
The mother of four is accused of shouting at her overflowing toilet back in October in a profanity-laced tirade that seeped out her second floor window and into the ears of her neighbor, 12-year-old Sydney Gilman.
The young girl testified in court that she told her father, off-duty policeman Patrick Gilman that the woman was cursing.
He testified that he called his colleague, Scranton Patrolman Gerald Tallo, who then wrote Herb a citation.
Herb's attorney, civil rights specialist Barry Dyller, said what his client said may not have been in good taste, but, "We're allowed to swear at each other. It doesn't mean we should but we are allowed to and the government and the law cannot stick its nose into these private matters."
Dyller argued using specific court cases that profane speech is not obscene speech and that what Dawn Herb said and did is not illegal.
If convicted, Herb could spend 90 days in jail and get a fine of up to $300.
The judge said he would take a few days before making a decision on the charge of disorderly conduct.
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Rawr Cristina
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:24:00 -
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In the distant future, America will probably be in a state where you arn't even allowed to look at someone the wrong way without getting sued...  Least I don't live there I suppose
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pastafarianist
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:26:00 -
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lol america
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:28:00 -
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 Originally by: ISD Cortes
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Avery Fatwallet
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Avery Fatwallet on 11/12/2007 14:29:04
oh my, i dont understand the states anymore...
i mean... "americans" are allowed to carry guns so no oppressive government could ever abuse the people.
but then there are places that have restrictive LAWS ON SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.
(and im talking about consentual, between adults)
WHY THE HECK DIDNT YOU ALREADY STORM THE WHITE HOUSE?
i thought thats the reason youre allowed to carry guns.
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Erotic Irony
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:28:00 -
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The mother of four is accused of shouting at her overflowing toilet back in October in a profanity-laced tirade that seeped out her second floor window and into the ears of her neighbor, 12-year-old Sydney Gilman.
The young girl testified in court that she told her father, off-duty policeman Patrick Gilman that the woman was cursing.
He testified that he called his colleague, Scranton Patrolman Gerald Tallo, who then wrote Herb a citation.
what a waste of tax money and police time, tbh the idiot officers should both lose their jobs over this nonesense
/facepalm
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:29:00 -
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that's disgusting 
don't they have better things to do?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Avery Fatwallet
Edited by: Avery Fatwallet on 11/12/2007 14:29:04
oh my, i dont understand the states anymore...
i mean... "americans" are allowed to carry guns so no oppressive government could ever abuse the people.
but then there are places that have restrictive LAWS ON SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.
(and im talking about consentual, between adults)
WHY THE HECK DIDNT YOU ALREADY STORM THE WHITE HOUSE?
i thought thats the reason youre allowed to carry guns.
'We need guns to defend us from our government, but at the same time we practice silent obedience when it comes to that same government'
Originally by: ISD Cortes
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hattifnatt
Gallente
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:38:00 -
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Land of the free. 
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:45:00 -
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Could I sue the US for false advertisment proclaiming itself "the land of the free" where people can be brought before a court for swearing at a broken toilet in their own house?
Surely a 12 year old should be very familiar with swearing by that age
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:51:00 -
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I don't have a child. Thankfully. But if I did have one, I wouldn't like it subjected to a "profanity-laced tirade".
Yeah, I support the prosecution.
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Benco97
Gallente
Mineral Dynamics
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:55:00 -
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Ridiculous.
Land of the free my elbow.
Originally by: Kirjava
This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
I don't have a child. Thankfully. But if I did have one, I wouldn't like it subjected to a "profanity-laced tirade".
Yeah, I support the prosecution.
It's gonna hear those kind fo things anyway, it's up to you as a parent to explain it to them and put it in proper context. Denying your duty to teach your child just that will make you a bad parent, so im glad you dont have any children.
Originally by: ISD Cortes
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Banana Torres
I don't have a child. Thankfully. But if I did have one, I wouldn't like it subjected to a "profanity-laced tirade".
Yeah, I support the prosecution.
It's gonna hear those kind fo things anyway, it's up to you as a parent to explain it to them and put it in proper context. Denying your duty to teach your child just that will make you a bad parent, so im glad you dont have any children.
Agreed - but maybe it's an American think. I understood the concepts of most proffanity when I was 9 years old, found out what **** meant when I was 13 in an amusing story that I shall not retell here 
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Avery Fatwallet
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
Yeah, I support the prosecution.
youre trolling?
or can you really not see where this country is going?
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Doctor Fruitloop
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Avery Fatwallet
Originally by: Banana Torres
Yeah, I support the prosecution.
youre trolling?
or can you really not see where this country is going?
For more Freedom from your government, come to France, home of the French Fry 
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Fruitloop
Originally by: Avery Fatwallet
Originally by: Banana Torres
Yeah, I support the prosecution.
youre trolling?
or can you really not see where this country is going?
For more Freedom from your government, come to France, home of the French Fry
yer but people like to use services with out a strike going on.
I am planning to go to USA some day with my OH. Problem is I am by trade in horses and the legal side i see in the USA is nuts! Tho its happening in UK too tho and destroying the industry!
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Benny Hill
Caldari
Deceased Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.11 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Fruitloop
Originally by: Avery Fatwallet
Originally by: Banana Torres
Yeah, I support the prosecution.
youre trolling?
or can you really not see where this country is going?
For more Freedom from your government, come to France, home of the French Fry
This disorderly conduct was more likely a result of a local ordinance. Most localities, even nations have basic obscenity laws. And being a policeman, the plaintiff was probbaly tired of hearing other tirades from the same woman.
Really, go to France? Could I bring my World War II memorbilia and sell it on Ebay with a picture. No. Should I go to England and have a tirade on a cigarette pack and have the neighbors smell it? No. |
Avery Fatwallet
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Avery Fatwallet on 11/12/2007 16:31:34
Originally by: Benny Hill
This disorderly conduct was more likely a local ordinance. Most localities, even nations have basic obscenity laws. And being a policeman, the plaintiff was more aware of the laws, and probably tired of hearing other tirades from the same woman. There is more to the story than just this article. I looked it up because Scranton is about 1 hour away from me. After the policeman's daughter told her father about the cussing, the policemen personally asked the defendant to refrain from from more profanities. And she apparently refused the advice from the police officer whom she undoubtedly knew was a LEA.
youre probably right, theres always more to a story than the part the newspapers tell you. originally i freaked out on the story i read some days ago ... about this free speech thingy... wotsitsname.. you guys know the story, ey?
but it was too weird to comment on, and after reading this, i think my head just exploded a little bit.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Benny Hill
Really, go to France? Could I bring my World War II memorabilia and sell it on Ebay with a picture. No. Should I go to England and have a tirade on a cigarette pack and have the neighbors smell it? No.
Realy now, we have democracy here in the sense that if people want a ban on smoking in public they get it. In the US you would have lobbyists screaming not to do it because it would hurt their revenue. As for France? Hell, they lost over a hundred thousand young soldiers in the first month of WW2, why does it surprise you that a country BORDERING Germany would surrender it's 40 million population after such a slaughter?
Germany outclassed France and the French had enough balls to accept this and fight a gurilla resistance because they couldn't win a direct war.
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Sister Impotentata
Elite Angels Of Death
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Posted - 2007.12.11 16:44:00 -
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Once you get more than fifty miles from a coast, you'll find US'ers happily partying like it's 1859. Strange bunch, those flyover people.
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NeoShocker
Caldari
Foundation
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Posted - 2007.12.11 18:09:00 -
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*insert picard's image* The one that looks like he's disappointed. That's exactly how I feel.
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.12.11 18:30:00 -
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If they MAKE you sing "the land of the free" every morning, I guess you end up brainwashed into believing it.
Every American I've ever met has been really nice, but the country as a whole needs to look inward at it's government and laws and say "WTF?".
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Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
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Posted - 2007.12.11 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
As for France? Hell, they lost over a hundred thousand young soldiers in the first month of WW2, why does it surprise you that a country BORDERING Germany would surrender it's 40 million population after such a slaughter?
Germany outclassed France and the French had enough balls to accept this and fight a gurilla resistance because they couldn't win a direct war.
1) The French screwed up by pouring their entire defense budget into a large, static defensive line that the Germans simply walked around.
2) That's not really the issue brought up. Both modern France and Germany ban the sale of many German WWII historical items. Stuff like this could never be sold in either country.
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Keorythe
Caldari
Terra Rosa Militia
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Posted - 2007.12.11 18:40:00 -
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Charge wasn't for swearing at the toilet. Charge was for disorderly conduct. If she had been screaming like someone was tearing out her intestines with a rusty fork then no doubt some scared neighbor is going to call the cops. Of course if its a tirade that goes on and on and on then a ****ed off neighbor might call the cops to get her to stop. There are alot of details that are just left out of this.
How many people here have met someone that can go on a really really loud screaming cursing tirade that gets really long and annoying really fast?
The news of course isn't going to provide these details and instead gives us a watered down version.
Like here's a person getting a ticket for speeding who isn't too happy. The best part is near the middle when he finds out the fine amount. Speeding Ticket
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Posted - 2007.12.11 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
In the distant future, America will probably be in a state where you arn't even allowed to look at someone the wrong way without getting sued... Least I don't live there I suppose
It's already here. It's called sexual harrassment.
All you anti-american people make me laugh sometimes. You read a story like this then start getting these horrid ideas about the US.
Remember, we're the country that likes to sue! Mcdonalds lost money because some lady decided to put hot coffee between her legs. They didn't tell her to put hot coffee between their legs but it ended up being their fault.
A man breaks into a house and gets shot by the homeowner. He wins a settlement for being shot.
If the penalty for cursing were actually real our jails would be packed to the brim. I personally would be in there for years with the trash that comes out of my mouth sometimes. Hell, our entire military would be in jail.
And smoking was banned in all public places except the bars, bowling alleys (still being fought as it's a place of family), and your own home. So instead of sitting at Denny's for hours smoking we have to step outside every 20 minutes (Big whoopity doo). Atleast our smokes still only cost $3.5
Atleast it hasn't gotten to the point where I look out my window and see the kremlin everywhere with loudspeakers blaring propaganda 24/7. Yes we have our faults but I challenge anyone to find a faultless country.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Yes we have our faults but I challenge anyone to find a faultless country.
Tibet.
Name me a flaw.
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.12.11 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 11/12/2007 19:20:09
Originally by: Fink Angel
Every American I've ever met has been really nice, but the country as a whole needs to look inward at it's government and laws and say "WTF?".
I can say this about alot of country's. In my position I get alot of people from over sea's who come and visit me. Part of our customer service is going to Cuba so we got a visit from them and the group was pretty cool. They even gave me a keychain.
My favorite people are the guys from Canon when they come over from China. We spend hours talking about cultures. One of those guys brought me a airport gift of a thousand soldiers statue which I keep at my desk.
In fact most of the people I've met from Europe have been really cool on a personal level.
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Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
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Posted - 2007.12.11 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Yes we have our faults but I challenge anyone to find a faultless country.
Tibet.
Name me a flaw.
Is not, technically, a country. Sort of.
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.12.11 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Yes we have our faults but I challenge anyone to find a faultless country.
Tibet.
Name me a flaw.
Tibet's current state
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