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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:51:00 -
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Clearly, ***** Bin Laden is a figurehead installed by the CIA, in fact the entire religion of Islam was actually created by the NSA and their time travel machine in order to promote the military-industrial complex in modern times!
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: 7shining7one7
EXACTLY, and that's exactly what 9/11 did, and what did that mean again, increased spending in the military industrial complex. It don't matter if the attack was true or not (which explains why it has never been proven, in fact the official history has been disproven), as long as ppl believe it.
The attack is more than sufficiently proven. I have been to New York since then. The towers are no longer there.
I think the world community was fine with the US going after Bin Laden and so on. I do not think Bin Laden denies any of it. That part is all well and fine and what we should have stuck to.
The Iraq bit of course is all BS and we never should have gone there.
yes the towers went down, that's about all that was proven m8.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:56:00 -
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Well, passenger planes hit them...I think it's safe to say that was also proven, at least.
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 12/12/2007 23:08:12
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 12/12/2007 23:05:52
and a passport from one of the victims fell out of the window and landed on the ground and wasn't burned whatsoever. and they used it in the investigation of the hijackers.
fancy that huh.
and even if that's not true
then actually it is not proven that passenger planes hit them. there are eye witnesses describing that there were no visible windows.
but offcourse they could be lying ^_^ (was just after they had hit the towers though)
and even if it was passenger planes, then besides the fact that the tanks were only half full and most of the fuel evaporated upon impact, and that jet fuel (kerosine or what's it called) can't reach a high enough temperature to melt structural steel (which the official report also indicates), and the fact that the wrong tower collapsed first, it's a pretty good story. and obviously not worthy of any research whatsoever, cause it was the invisible terrorists that can strike you down at any moment, that done it!
"misdirection stan, misdirection. what the ears hear and the eyes see, the mind believes."
taken from a movie banned in the US btw. known as swordfish, pretty cool movie actually, hugh jackman and travolta plays marvelously in it.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 12/12/2007 23:00:45
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 12/12/2007 22:59:10
and a passport from one of the victims fell out of the window and landed on the ground and wasn't burned whatsoever. and they used it in the investigation of the hijackers.
fancy that huh.
and actually it is not proven that passenger planes hit them. there are eye witnesses describing that there were no visible windows.
but offcourse they could be lying ^_^ (was just after they had hit the towers though)
and besides the fact that the tanks were only half full and most of the fuel evaporated upon impact, and that jet fuel (kerosine or what's it called) can't reach a high enough temperature to melt structural steel (which the official report also indicates) it's a pretty good story.
Good grief...
There were something like 80 separate videotapes of the first plane hitting. By the time the second plane hit there were several hundred videos recording the event. Videos from news media on down to people recording on their cell phones. Not to mention several hundred thousand New Yorkers who saw it all. But I suppose the government got to all of them to shut them up.
And you do not need to melt the steel. Just weaken it. Add in massive damage from a big hole in one side and the rather remarkable forces a skyscraper experiences from wind (they sway) and it was just a matter of time (add to that the unique construction of the Towers...the Sears Tower in Chicago for instance likely would not have collapsed).
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:09:00 -
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Yaknow, one of the stories was that it was not planes at all that hit the towers but in fact missiles and several witnesses can attest to that too.
I looked into HAARP since I've never heard of anything like it for a missile defense and I found the reason why, cause it's not. It's a glorified communications center researching the use of the ionosphere as a means to 'bend' the LOS of communications. It doesn't 'burn' anything.
The only 2 items that I can think of that we have for missile defense is the aeges cruiser and a jet that has a high powered laser in it's nose but that won't be out for a couple years yet.
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 12/12/2007 23:16:00
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 12/12/2007 23:00:45
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 12/12/2007 22:59:10
and a passport from one of the victims fell out of the window and landed on the ground and wasn't burned whatsoever. and they used it in the investigation of the hijackers.
fancy that huh.
and actually it is not proven that passenger planes hit them. there are eye witnesses describing that there were no visible windows.
but offcourse they could be lying ^_^ (was just after they had hit the towers though)
and besides the fact that the tanks were only half full and most of the fuel evaporated upon impact, and that jet fuel (kerosine or what's it called) can't reach a high enough temperature to melt structural steel (which the official report also indicates) it's a pretty good story.
Good grief...
There were something like 80 separate videotapes of the first plane hitting. By the time the second plane hit there were several hundred videos recording the event. Videos from news media on down to people recording on their cell phones. Not to mention several hundred thousand New Yorkers who saw it all. But I suppose the government got to all of them to shut them up.
And you do not need to melt the steel. Just weaken it. Add in massive damage from a big hole in one side and the rather remarkable forces a skyscraper experiences from wind (they sway) and it was just a matter of time (add to that the unique construction of the Towers...the Sears Tower in Chicago for instance likely would not have collapsed).
what unique construction, it had 27 massive steel columns, that should still be standing if the floors collapsed with the pancake theory. yeah they changed it from 4 steel columns that were first showed on cnn, cause yeah, ppl wised up.
u should check out a video called the building of the world trade center, it's from the 80's i believe, i think u'll find it pretty interesting, it's a bit old so it's a little fuzzy, u know vhs and all that.
as for the planes, take the official 9/11 memorial dvd and zoom in on the planes. do a frame by frame analysis, and then compare with other videos.
but offcourse if u can weak the top of these massive 27 steel columsn they can just sway in the wind right.. why was there then molten lava conditions at the foundation of the towers, weeks after they went down? jet fuel burns away pretty fast, so what melted the structural steel then? they didn't just break, they melted.. completely..
what about wtc7, it wasn't hit by anything. and it came down just as fast, oh yeah, that's cause they decided to pull it (takes weeks of planning), eventhough the official explanation was that it came down as a result of fire which the official reports say is still highly unlikely but it was their best bid. huh? come again?
not to mention that all 3 of them dropped in free fall speed, something that is impossible even with the pancake theory.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:15:00 -
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Oh dear god. Did he just start another "Spare Coinage" thread?
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
"misdirection stan, misdirection. what the ears hear and the eyes see, the mind believes."
taken from a movie banned in the US btw. known as swordfish, pretty cool movie actually, hugh jackman and travolta plays marvelously in it.
For a banned movie I sure see it alot in the wal-mart savings bin.
Does this mean i'll be arrested for having a copy at home?
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: 7shining7one7
"misdirection stan, misdirection. what the ears hear and the eyes see, the mind believes."
taken from a movie banned in the US btw. known as swordfish, pretty cool movie actually, hugh jackman and travolta plays marvelously in it.
For a banned movie I sure see it alot in the wal-mart savings bin.
Does this mean i'll be arrested for having a copy at home?
if u research it it was banned from the movies in the US as a result of 9/11, it was released much later on.
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 12/12/2007 23:24:24
Originally by: SoftRevolution
Oh dear god. Did he just start another "Spare Coinage" thread?
lollerskates, why would they do that? u don't believe it right, besides killing him will only turn him into a martyr. it would be pwning yourself in the eye in a remarkable way to do that.
oh btw. nice circular logic and an incredibly well documented conclusion at the bottom of that page. obviously the guy that made the page is completely spot on man!
this page is more fun.
at any rate, i don't remember bringing all this up, i'd rather talk the economic aspects that we talked about earlier. i remember responding to some questions and then we somehow ended up here oh well..
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: SoftRevolution
Oh dear god. Did he just start another "Spare Coinage" thread?
Actually it started off as a Ron Paul thread, but then it was surprise buttsexed by an injection of 9/11 and thus grew a baby Spare Change thread. That thread has now torn open the stomach of it's mother and is feasting on it's corpse.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:23:00 -
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This thread has done wonders for my opinion of Ron Paul, I must day.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: 7shining7one7
why don't you just let his own words speak for themselves, that's what i do.
Because it is a populist appeal with no discussion of the knock-on effects. No one likes paying taxes but consider some of the effects abolishing it would have.
Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe Ron Paul shares a common interest as many other peopel do, that is to not need the IRS at all in that taxes would be converted to any of the federal sales tax or flat tax proposals. The IRS really is screwed up. I once made a tax payment made out to "Internal Revenue Service" because that was where I was mailing my payment and paperwork to, when I should have made the check to "United States Department of the Treasury." Not only was I given a returned check fee, I was given a late fee. I believe the tax code for the federal government is something like 17,000 pages. When they say, and I assume even Ron Paul, they mean getting rid of all those complicated tax rules. The tax rules are so bad, that any changes to taxes THIS (or maybe it was next year) have to be done before August in order for the IRS to program their computers to accepts returns by the end of the year. |
7shining7one7
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 12/12/2007 23:37:40
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Yaknow, one of the stories was that it was not planes at all that hit the towers but in fact missiles and several witnesses can attest to that too.
I looked into HAARP since I've never heard of anything like it for a missile defense and I found the reason why, cause it's not. It's a glorified communications center researching the use of the ionosphere as a means to 'bend' the LOS of communications. It doesn't 'burn' anything.
The only 2 items that I can think of that we have for missile defense is the aeges cruiser and a jet that has a high powered laser in it's nose but that won't be out for a couple years yet.
haarp (high altitude auroral research project) is the cover name yes.
and it does certainly burn the ionosphere, that's what the thousands of megawatt focused energy array is for. unless you think it just kinda sends a fuzzy beam up there that kinda tingles the inner atmosphere, and yes it can be used for communication too.
do you honestly think that if it had military application, that it was something that they would come out directly and say what it really was.
even a sceptic like you must surely concede to that.
here's a link for u to know more about haarp since u seem interested. it is quite interesting actually.
little hint, changes in the ionosphere affects weather.
the technology itself is based on tesla principles and technology that has been labeled officially as crazy and the works of a disturbed and insane genious that seemed too crazy to be true.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
if u research it it was banned from the movies in the US as a result of 9/11, it was released much later on.
No, it was not banned. The publishers did not release it because it was on schedule to be releases close to 9/11/01 because it would not be good PR.
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Originally by: 7shining7one7
if u research it it was banned from the movies in the US as a result of 9/11, it was released much later on.
No, it was not banned. The publishers did not release it because it was on schedule to be releases close to 9/11/01 because it would not be good PR.
granted, but it's kinda the same thing isn't it. what happened to free speech and liberty and different oppinions. oh yes i forgot, gw bush said no "conspiracy theories" are tolerated cause they are simply all malicious lies that attempts to shift the blame away from the terrorists, away from the guilty.
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Yaknow, one of the stories was that it was not planes at all that hit the towers but in fact missiles and several witnesses can attest to that too.
I looked into HAARP since I've never heard of anything like it for a missile defense and I found the reason why, cause it's not. It's a glorified communications center researching the use of the ionosphere as a means to 'bend' the LOS of communications. It doesn't 'burn' anything.
The only 2 items that I can think of that we have for missile defense is the aeges cruiser and a jet that has a high powered laser in it's nose but that won't be out for a couple years yet.
haarp (high altitude auroral project) is the cover name yes.
and it does certainly burn the ionosphere, that's what the thousands of megawatt focused energy array is for. unless you think it just kinda sends a fuzzy beam up there that kinda tingles the inner atmosphere, and yes it can be used for communication too.
do you honestly think that if it had military application, that it was something that they would come out directly and say what it really was.
even a sceptic like you must surely concede to that.
And do you think if they were really trying to cover it up, then maybe they wouldn't be holding open houses during the summertime?
Or how about the fact that it contracts alot of it's work to colleges and even has a program with the alaskan community college?
Not to mention location. I mean alaska? I would think a MDS would be better suited in say, Colorado if you were going with static defense.
Oh, and it's 3.6 million watts of radio frequency power. Not even the ABL requires that kind of power to fire a laser.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tarminic on 12/12/2007 23:45:04
Originally by: 7shining7one7
granted, but it's kinda the same thing isn't it. what happened to free speech and liberty and different oppinions. oh yes i forgot, gw bush said no "conspiracy theories" are tolerated cause they are simply all malicious lies that attempts to shift the blame away from the terrorists, away from the guilty.
They chose not to release it, they were not forced or coerced into it by anyone. So no, it's not really the same thing. Since you were clearly twisting the truth on that one, I'm a bit more disinclined to take your other arguments seriously.
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:49:00 -
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granted, but it's kinda the same thing isn't it. what happened to free speech and liberty and different oppinions. oh yes i forgot, gw bush said no "conspiracy theories" are tolerated cause they are simply all malicious lies that attempts to shift the blame away from the terrorists, away from the guilty.
They chose not to release it, they were not forced or coerced into it by anyone. So no, it's not really the same thing. Since you were clearly twisting the truth on that one, I'm a bit more disinclined to take your other arguments seriously.
i didn't twist it i just submit that if the president tells the people, do not tolerate such things, then it will be quite easy to follow those guidelines.
but i also submit that they weren't forced to. but in a sence it's release was banned, albeit willingly, and for a while. it was fully available in europe afaik.
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
here's a link for u to know more about haarp since u seem interested. it is quite interesting actually.
Oh that is good. I like how harp can control the weather, knock planes and missiles out of the air, can create a 'hole' in the atmosphere and allowing any place to get fried with solar radiation. The visuals were rather weak though I must say.
I quietly laughed to myself when I saw a link to that video showing proof that HAARP shot down a u.f.o.
This threads a winner!
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 12/12/2007 23:55:17
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: 7shining7one7
here's a link for u to know more about haarp since u seem interested. it is quite interesting actually.
Oh that is good. I like how harp can control the weather, knock planes and missiles out of the air, can create a 'hole' in the atmosphere and allowing any place to get fried with solar radiation. The visuals were rather weak though I must say.
I quietly laughed to myself when I saw a link to that video showing proof that HAARP shot down a u.f.o.
This threads a winner!
oh i'm sorry, did u expect a hollywood feature film to explain to you highly classified military projects that you had no idea even existed before i mentioned the name in the first place. and then u could say afterwards that it was just a movie. anyways just sharing some stuff, it's pretty nifty the potentials in it, but definately not something that should be messed around with lightly, even the official site says they heat up the ionosphere to study it, i think that would be enough for you to consider potential military application under the guise of haarp.
well i'm glad your enjoying yourself with it. but considering that you were not aware of these potentials before you watched the video, i would say that you atleast were a little bit more informed than you were before watching it. or do you purport to say that changes in the ionosphere cannot affect weather?
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.12.13 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
oh i'm sorry, did u expect a hollywood feature film to explain to you highly classified military projects that you had no idea even existed before i mentioned the name in the first place. and then u could say afterwards that it was just a movie. anyways just sharing some stuff, it's pretty nifty the potentials in it, but definately not something that should be messed around with lightly, even the official site says they heat up the ionosphere to study it, i think that would be enough for you to consider potential military application under the guise of haarp.
well i'm glad your enjoying yourself with it. but considering that you were not aware of these potentials before you watched the video, i would say that you atleast were a little bit more informed than you were before watching it. or do you purport to say that changes in the ionosphere cannot affect weather?
I'm aware that I can use my field walkie as a dangerous weapon now yes. I'll keep it on me in case anymore UFO's fly by.
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2007.12.13 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/12/2007 00:06:39
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/12/2007 00:03:04
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: 7shining7one7
oh i'm sorry, did u expect a hollywood feature film to explain to you highly classified military projects that you had no idea even existed before i mentioned the name in the first place. and then u could say afterwards that it was just a movie. anyways just sharing some stuff, it's pretty nifty the potentials in it, but definately not something that should be messed around with lightly, even the official site says they heat up the ionosphere to study it, i think that would be enough for you to consider potential military application under the guise of haarp.
well i'm glad your enjoying yourself with it. but considering that you were not aware of these potentials before you watched the video, i would say that you atleast were a little bit more informed than you were before watching it. or do you purport to say that changes in the ionosphere cannot affect weather?
I'm aware that I can use my field walkie as a dangerous weapon now yes. I'll keep it on me in case anymore UFO's fly by.
you'll need thousands of gigawats for extended periods of time mate, but gl with the walkie experiement, whatever that is 
furthermore, you really need to stop and think how good it is that we can talk about this stuff, that no agency as of yet has official global authority to hunt you down and arrest you on suspicion of being a terrorist.
take a look at the patriot act and similar, and then imagine in a year or so if someone were to say, we can't tolerate conspiracy theorists (we can't tolerate different oppinions and viewpoints and analysises, or rather, the story can't bare to be scrutinized) and then the covert agencies would then knock on your door for subverting the war on terror..
vote ron paul mate..
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me bored
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Posted - 2007.12.13 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: me bored on 13/12/2007 00:07:02
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Stop dreaming
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2007.12.13 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/12/2007 00:10:16
Originally by: me bored
Edited by: me bored on 13/12/2007 00:07:02
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Stop dreaming
Somewhat ironic coming from a ron paul supporter.
wow that's fascinating, it couldn't mean stop dreaming and do something instead could it by any chance?
incredible wisdom you have, you should write a paper detailing exactly why ron paul is wrong, we'd all like to see it. atleast i would.
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.12.13 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
furthermore, you really need to stop and think how good it is that we can talk about this stuff, that no agency as of yet has official global authority to hunt you down and arrest you on suspicion of being a terrorist.
vote ron paul mate..
You guys would know. I mean, conspiracy theorists are always thinking the government is out to get them. But then again you would think that a government wouldn't worry about authority, look at the K.G.B.
And not just no but Hell No.
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7shining7one7
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Posted - 2007.12.13 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/12/2007 00:18:18
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/12/2007 00:17:53
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: 7shining7one7
furthermore, you really need to stop and think how good it is that we can talk about this stuff, that no agency as of yet has official global authority to hunt you down and arrest you on suspicion of being a terrorist.
vote ron paul mate..
You guys would know. I mean, conspiracy theorists are always thinking the government is out to get them. But then again you would think that a government wouldn't worry about authority, look at the K.G.B.
And not just no but Hell No.
i'm not worried about anyone coming to get me, i think what your trying to say is that you have a preconcieved notion that i do  but i do have the belief that says live free or die. and untill that freedom is no more (which i don't think is likely cause there's a lot going on and i'm quite sure that things are changing for the better behind the scenes aswell as publicly) then that's the way i'll continue to live. and if u got a problem with that, then.. whatever floats your boat mate..
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Glarion Garnier
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2007.12.13 00:21:00 -
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"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
- David Rockefeller
choise is ours to make !
Layla Kayleigh interviews Ron Paul
Ron Paul is president in 2009 - can you feel it - it could be
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Glarion Garnier
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2007.12.13 00:33:00 -
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Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 13/12/2007 00:33:30
Originally by: SoftRevolution
Reasons why Ron Paul sucks:
All of his support comes from the internets.
When a politicians demographic is SlashDot, DeviantArt and SomethingAwful you know they are talking ****.
Try harder neocon sheep. Your line blinds no one.
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