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Kirjava
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:20:00 -
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It was stated by CCP a while back that Invention of T2 Freighter BPC would be high, hinted at 100% due to the month long copy times. I haven't done it myself, but I have heard on these forums of people getting only 1 out of 5 jobs successful.
Before I or anyone else starts a job - is this intended, or a bug?
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kirjava on 12/12/2007 21:35:41
Not my question - Tar they are supposed to not fail to begin with, due to the ridiculous amount of time it gets to get a single run copy, plus the amount of datacores needed they were supposed to get a 100% success ratio.
My question is if CCP have introduced the possibility of failure or not on these, not what the % chances are.
Incidentaly, a few dozen attemps would be 36(350)M isk, not something I would be willing to splash out on just to check.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:07:00 -
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What Vim said, there have been several business popping up over a month ago dedicated to producing freighter BPC.
Given I have a few shares and a vested interest, I want to know if they are supposed to have a fail or not.
If they can fail, then BPC will drop in value, because if it's 100% guarenteed, then prices can be higher.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kirjava on 13/12/2007 10:15:47
Found this in another forum;
 Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Jump freighters do not have a 100% chance of success, we only ever said it would have a high chance of success. If you were lead to interpret that as 100% then I apologize of course.
Ah god damnit 
Thankyou though Chronotis for the swift response o7
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Estephania
Ppl are already running invention jobs for T2 freighters. I have no info if there were any successes but I heard about some failures, so, yes, those invention attempts can fail.
Yes - this sucks 
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.13 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
One out of five doesn't sound very promising at all, are these the new Logistics ships? How long were they in the doghouse before being made useful again?
By logistics I assume you mean mean moving things around.
Yes - they are. I beleive the copy time for a single run BPC is over 4 weeks.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.13 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Leishent
No. Proof can be found here
Alternatively, it can be seen here 
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.13 13:19:00 -
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Good thing this is just a game then.
Point is, essentialy producers hand the cost onto the buyer, so with a 30% invention chance then (1/0.3)=3.3 BPC must be invented to produce one run. Costing 150M for the Freighter BPC, then 200M in datacores thats 350 each attempt, then 1.05B for the print. Factor in the materials at 4.5B plus the Freighter at 1 plus the other bits at 200, thats 6.75B before proffits, making these ships cost around 7.4B on the market taking proffits into account.
Tad off the topic, but the cost all compounds together and invention having the same odds as frigates to invent would increase prices by 700M.
Havent done invention myself so I don't know if those states 30% for frigates is pre or after decryptor.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.13 16:04:00 -
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Well, we know that they are high now, and that failures are expensive.
Anyone have a rough idea of what the ratio is or is supposed to be? Guessing around 60-80% by the responses so far on the forums
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.13 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
One out of five doesn't sound very promising at all, are these the new Logistics ships? How long were they in the doghouse before being made useful again?
By logistics I assume you mean mean moving things around.
Yes - they are. I beleive the copy time for a single run BPC is over 4 weeks.
You assumed wrong, notice the capitalization of the L on Logistics, referring to the support cruisers and their longtime uselessness before they got fixed.
Rereading I see I got the wrong meaning, thought you meant "used for logisitics" damn sorry
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.13 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ferminant
If they had a 1 of 5 success rate.. I have to ask. What decryptor did they use? the +9?
I know of people who have had 3 of 5 successes with midrange decryptors.
And FYI, max runs on a freighter are 1. So a success with a +9 decryptor gets you... guess what.. 1 run.
Yes, but Chro said they are reviewing this in the thread in Starbase and Industry, theres a few links to it in this thread.
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