I think the main problem is that PVP is just expensive. When you are a noob you will make a mistake (taking bait, underestimating opponents, bad ship fittings etc) and those mistakes will cause you too lose ships. Losing ships = losing money.

New players don't go to null sec as much because that's not where the money is. And even if their intention was to eventually go into null they later decide not to because they have everything in Hi-Sec

Solution- Take things out of hi-sec or make the stuff in null more common.

I think the main problem is that PVP is just expensive. When you are a noob you will make a mistake (taking bait, underestimating opponents, bad ship fittings etc) and those mistakes will cause you too lose ships. Losing ships = losing money.

New players don't go to null sec as much because that's not where the money is. And even if their intention was to eventually go into null they later decide not to because they have everything in Hi-Sec

Solution- Take things out of hi-sec or make the stuff in null more common.

Most people who come to EVE, have come from other MMOs where the game is the gold/loot/level grind; so they come here and assume if they don't make at least 300mil a day then there's no way they can make any headway.

Like I said in the OP, it isn't High-sec in my opinion that draws people to the game, it is the sov wars. EVE isn't, from what I have seen, advertised from the angle of high-sec. It isn't marketed to be a "safe" game.

Also, if high-sec isn't the most interesting, why are the players there? Is it a difference between what the game is marketed as from what it has turned out to be? Where is the breakdown coming in at? Are you saying that most people are missioners, miners and marketers in high-sec?

There are a plethora of good solo spaceships games for the anti-social. EVE isn't one of them.

Also the anti-null sentiment is en vogue on the forums, don't take it personally.

Please do not quote on part of a person's post, it tends to give the wrong impression. Case in point, the example above makes it out that you cannot complete a sentence.


It can also be used to quote someone out-of-context. I did not mention incursions, high -sec mining or missioning in a group because I was responding to a post I quoted in which the author mentioned soloing.

Please keep this discussion going in a positive manner. The topic was new player aversion to null-sec.

You're quite right about the elements of gameplay "out there" but for a very long time - unless you have a special quality to further your interests/notoriety quickly - you'll be no more than a grunt/cannon-fodder.

It isn't about tearing down the powerhouses, or re-inventing the wheel with me. I think after all this discussion it does come down to what was said on the first page:

It isn't about tearing down the powerhouses, or re-inventing the wheel with me. I think after all this discussion it does come down to what was said on the first page:

How would you go about joining a null-sec corporation and are there any established NZ / Australian timezone null-sec corporations?

I hear met worst has an all-Australian corp called The Drongo Club. Only got one member but it's a start

So, to the null-sec dwellers. How would you go about it?

A bit of background. I live in primarily low / high sec areas around Lonetrek. I spend my time either hauling or in an industrial capacity, but once my Transport / Freighter skills are done I'm starting on combat related training.

I do however find that running courier missions or building up research skills and so forth get a bit - not monotonous or tedious - I still enjoy them. But I am looking for something a bit different, a bit more interactive.

How would you go about joining a null-sec corporation and are there any established NZ / Australian timezone null-sec corporations?

Due to the nature of jump-capable ships, hauling things in industrials and freighters is a difficult trade to ply in null, and harder to sell towards a recruiter as something they need.
If you could make the leap into a jump freighter, that would go a long way as those things are vital.
If not, you could join a small corp part of a new alliance trying to make its way in null, but for that you'll need at least decent BC skills. I don't know any Australian/NZ specific corps offhand, but I'm sure they're out there and would like to add to their number.

Due to the nature of jump-capable ships, hauling things in industrials and freighters is a difficult trade to ply in null, and harder to sell towards a recruiter as something they need.
If you could make the leap into a jump freighter, that would go a long way as those things are vital.
If not, you could join a small corp part of a new alliance trying to make its way in null, but for that you'll need at least decent BC skills. I don't know any Australian/NZ specific corps offhand, but I'm sure they're out there and would like to add to their number.

Fun fact: They are heavy oriented in scamming newbies. Good luck with joining goons or test without getting scammed, or spending endless time on a stupid forum to get invited.
Dont spread false informations in a thread about newbies and null.

Are blockade runners used much in null sec hauling?

So tell the ingame demographics. About 80% of logged in characters would be seen in highsec any random day. Mission runners used to be a whopping 18% of all players (in a game with about a hundred professions).

Nullsec is an organized, vocal minority, but players who never have been to nullsec are the single largest demographical group.

GǪexcept that those are not the demographics.

It's only 66% of the characters, and there's a fair chance that half of that (or maybe slightly less) are actually alts of the non-highsec third. That would mean the supposed Gǣsingle largest demographical groupGǥ consists of maybe 30-40% of the playersGǪ

**** high-sec wardecing mechanics,
repetitive game-play,


Also scamming is far more prevalent in high-sec, as are idiotic egomaniacs. In an earlier post you listed roaming low-sec and wormhole raids, but since these are not high-sec activities, they can not be listed as a high-sec positive. Incursions also happen in null, so there goes that bit also. You state; "Fini," I, on the other hand, disagree wholeheartedly.

War dec shield.

Low sec roam and WH raid = easy access when want PVP.

High sec perfect casual play. High sec is place play EVE. Null sec is place work EVE.
Too big headache.

Your use of the French language is so fluent.

Pardon?

If the character is in Highsec he is included in the demographic. Whether he is an alt of a Nullseccer is 1) not pertinent and 2) not definitive.

Because that player could be a Highseccer with a Nullsec char. Does this now mean that some of Nullsec must then form the numbers for Highsec? So there's not as many in Nullsec as we think either?

Add WH/Lowsec variability...... Hmmm.

How would you go about joining a null-sec corporation and are there any established NZ / Australian timezone null-sec corporations?

There are a plethora of good solo spaceships games for the anti-social. EVE isn't one of them.

People solo precisely because they are social beings and have things to do outside of EVE, with solo/singleplayer games you can hop in, play the game for a few minutes, save, then hop back out again when you need to I don't know, eat or to do work, or talk to people. A player who likely spends several hours a day playing a game making just to gank one person or get that extra ISK and lecturing me on being anti-social for playing this game casually is the very height of irony.

If I log into EVE and try to form a mining op or corporation or do anything involving a group I am essentially committing myself to half a days worth of boredom when nowadays I have better things to do than **** away my time on a game made up of useless time sinks and grinding.

Excuse me for playing this game as a sandbox and not catering to your style of play.