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C Black
Gallente BLACK CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.12.13 09:15:00 -
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So i filed a petition about War dodging and waited the week to get a reply. After waiting i was told sorry we cant give you isk back. Ok for the punk line and main body. I war dec a mission farmer group named Annua Corp. Was all well and good for a while. Get about 24 to 28 kills a day, only two days of fightingm had to go back to work. Updated happened and lost the war dec. Waited another 48 hours to get it started again. A couple hours after i spent the money and start the open fire they bailed from the corp and went to the next corp. So dumb me spends the money to dec that one...same thing after three corps I stop. Filed petition and waited for reply. So when i finally get some replies i get told that the problem i am having is not for the petition system and i will not get my isk back and that i should post it in Gen Dis Forum. SO i did...and here i am now.
you said it would get listen to...got a feeling it will not but i am going to do my best to make it happen.
C Black
solution: if you leave a corp that has a war dec...you are a target until the war ends.
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Zinras
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Posted - 2007.12.13 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Zinras on 13/12/2007 09:49:50 Edited by: Zinras on 13/12/2007 09:48:03 That would make it difficult for people who want to escape some of the 0.0 wars or wars in general, I can imagine, since the BoB/Goon thing (as an example) won't end for a while, should some players wish to leave the corps in that war.
I think it would be appropriate for those players to be valid targets for 24 or 48 hours instead. That should give you plenty of time to shoot them in the face.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.12.13 09:52:00 -
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In a brazen misquoting of Oveur.
Eve is supposed to be a cold harsh place. So if squishies want to avoid war, then every mechanism and encouragement to do so should be available, and everything short of denying F1-F8 in highsec will be implemented.
Sounds like you just learned that nonconsensual PvP is a complete myth for all players everywhere. You'll be over it in about three to four weeks. --
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.13 09:58:00 -
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So what would have been an acceptable way for them to avoid even more loss of capital then? Clearly they were heavily outclassed by your corp. How could they have avoided you war deccing them to death if not by leaving the war decced corp or docking for a month?
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Estephania
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:01:00 -
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Its a delicate problem, on the one hand, the game mechanics allow ppl to be immune from war decs with that constant corp hopping; on the other hand there should be a way for ppl to enjoy the game without being slaughtered every day by bored PvPers who probably outclass and outgun them by a large margin.
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:07:00 -
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I don't have the size of your respective corps of course, but if you already got 50 kills in 2 days, assuming 'regular size' corps of about 80 people, it's fairly obvious they were badly outmatched. And if they felt that moving from corp to corp was necessary, you probably hit them hard enough already. You should have gone to look for another corp to wardeck.
I can't blame people from adapting to survive (that's what they did).
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C Black
Gallente BLACK CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:21:00 -
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I am a ONE person corp. I have been working on killing RMT corps. Take a look at "the eggs" contracts and you will see the trail of money...
The guys that i have been war decing are around 15 to 50 person corps. I am flying around a 20 mil sp character that is not spec for anything. i started out a miner and mission runner for the most part. I have just now got into war decing. I got tired of all the spam that was coming in my inbox. We was killing haulers, frigs, cruiser and drakes. I have lost a few ships but the ratio is nice. I have got two Drakes from a ishkur while taking out a cara and kessy.
And yes the keep them in the war until it is over is a bit exessive but the 24 to 48 hours should be in there. It takes 48 hours to start a war and 24 hours to stop. Or you can just jump corps and 1 second later you are not a target.
So yes i am a macro hunter and been spending alot of money to fight them. If you would like a list of names of the corps they have been jumping to look up a few of these character.
Folder Love algebra my also window.....back and forth to the same corp. But gm said it is ok. and miss deng opened exactly reads has you
So and i am told this is not an exploit...........
C Black
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:22:00 -
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Corp hopping is technically an exploit, no? Petition it as one, instead of reimbruisment. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:23:00 -
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I know the back story of the corps that C Black listed, and i know where they work out of..
The members of the corps are farmers that does hauling missions 23/7 and shood be a valid target for a 3 man corp (tho i know that 1 off them that is killing them), and jumping corps issent all that uncommon to farmers.
tbh i whod like more timers, since the members did a choice to join a corp, the corp gets deced and durring the first 24 hours they shood not be able to leave, the next 24-48 hours they can leave tho get a small sec loss or something or give the decing crop/alliance kill rights until the first 48 hours is up... (it is just an idea).
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:44:00 -
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Ok. That part i did not know. It is however at the core of why corp hopping to avoid war decs can't be dealth with just as there is no good way to deal with logoffskis. While i fully agree that corps that are nothing more but lackeys of ISK sellers should be ground into fine dust, the point is that if you make it impossible to evade a war dec, genuine players who might have become the target of a bully corp will feel that sting. And in the end while EVE is a harsh world, it is also a game that should be enjoyable to play. While losing a few fights is OK, being camped, hunted and pulverized every time you try to play is an entirely different thing. There should be a way out.
Kudos on inflicting hurt to the people that facilitate cheaters though!
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:49:00 -
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Trolling removed. Please do not quote GM Correspondence - Valorem --
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RaTTuS
BIG Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:54:00 -
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/me is curious .. where do these operate out of and what corps ? -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve [Now Verified] & Recruiting
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MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Shanur Ok. That part i did not know. It is however at the core of why corp hopping to avoid war decs can't be dealth with just as there is no good way to deal with logoffskis. While i fully agree that corps that are nothing more but lackeys of ISK sellers should be ground into fine dust, the point is that if you make it impossible to evade a war dec, genuine players who might have become the target of a bully corp will feel that sting. And in the end while EVE is a harsh world, it is also a game that should be enjoyable to play. While losing a few fights is OK, being camped, hunted and pulverized every time you try to play is an entirely different thing. There should be a way out.
Kudos on inflicting hurt to the people that facilitate cheaters though!
there are NPC corps, they cant be deced, the main part for farmers to stay in them, but i agree that that genuine players can/might become a target of bully corps... but who is forceing them to join a corp or to not leave the corp, the main part of the issue is that every part of a war dec is a 24-48 hour wait, why can people leave in 1 sec ?
it can be seen in many diffrent ways, but players that make a choice to join a corp that can be deced, shood face the fact of war when they get deced... now i am not saying that they cant leave ofc, but it shood be down side of leaving a corp in a war, like a corp leaveing an alliance durring a war (24 hour cool down timer).
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Squelch
Damage over Time Angels Of Discord
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:59:00 -
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I had a similar issue a while back and was told that corp hopping was not against the rules.
What Gaven has been saying on this matter is the truth imho.
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RaTTuS
BIG Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.13 11:06:00 -
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if you don't have any roles in the corp then you can jump straight away I think. no roles means no hanger access but if your just farming then you dont need it
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.12.13 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 13/12/2007 11:09:59
Quote: why can people leave in 1 sec
You forget that anyone with any level of responsibility within a corp has to wait 24 hours. A-la they have roles/are directors/CEOs or even just squad leaders.
Just my two cents.
As guy above me said, it's only an abusable mechanic for farmers who just put an alt in charge of such a corp.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2007.12.13 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Squelch I had a similar issue a while back and was told that corp hopping was not against the rules.
What Gaven has been saying on this matter is the truth imho.
Which likely explains why Valorem removed it.
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MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.12.13 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 13/12/2007 11:09:59
Quote: why can people leave in 1 sec
You forget that anyone with any level of responsibility within a corp has to wait 24 hours. A-la they have roles/are directors/CEOs or even just squad leaders.
Just my two cents.
As guy above me said, it's only an abusable mechanic for farmers who just put an alt in charge of such a corp.
Yes, but farmers dont need them, and ofc what stopes the ones that has roles to drop them when they get the 24 hour warm up warning from concord
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.12.13 11:17:00 -
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For EVE to truly be a game of consequences there needs to be a cooldown on corporate jumping or else we'll continue to see farmers, pirates and others deserving a beating simply reforming every time they're met with opposition.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Xtro 2
Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.12.13 11:29:00 -
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unfortunatly killing such people can make them get angry and quit the game, and thats bad for business.
just wait for the barrage of "learn to play" or "adapt or quit" posts, thats the usual trend.
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Yorlock
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Posted - 2007.12.13 11:36:00 -
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Back when i started playing ( 2 weeks prior to Red Moon Rising.. way back in the Age of Myths)It was considered an exploit to be a chronic corp jumper to avoid war decs.
Now its comical the war the war dec system (as well as any in game criminalpunsishment system) works. I see corps of 'funboi' griefers harassing miners. And when these fellas get a dec they cant handle, they form new corp and keep up business as usual.
my personal experiance with my alainces last (what is it now 5, 6?) war decs have been a joke. I stay in + 5 training implants and leave faction mods fitted as the corp we have declared no longer exists once we can start shooting ( last war dec the declared crop was half its original size 5 min after the concord mail went out). We spend 50 mil... then have to withdraw the dec during warm up as our target corp no longer exists. But our targets are still there,... in a new corp,... doing the same things. All war decs are to us are an ISK sink.
War dec's need to have a new way of handling a player that wishes to leave his corp to avoid a war dec. A sec status penalty for leaving them during warm up period AND first 24 hours of hostility is one posibility.(I see this penalty as a sliding scale with increasing sec loss for chronic abusers). An ISK fee paid to CONCORD to leave corp before war dec should also be considered. (you are wasting CONCORDs time after all.. doing all that paperwork just to have you run and hide). If they wish to avoid the war they can, after the first 24 hours of hostilities.
I dont want these to be too steep, but they should be enough of a penalty for a player to at least reconsider fighting as an option But those players who blow thru 4 or 5 corps in a week to avoid the responsibility of their actions should pay a very heavy penalty.
I am asking the DEV's to re examine the current war dec system and consider some of these ideas for improvements to the current system.
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Vadimik
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Posted - 2007.12.13 11:37:00 -
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Any kind of restrains on leaving the corp after the wardec will be viable only after some way to make wardecing corp responsible for it's actions is inmlemented.
Right now, you can wardec and never bother about supporing the said wardec with any actions, nor face any consequences if target corp proves to be more able to strike back, simply because the wardec'er can dock and wait the wardec out, as if it never happened.
I say, implement a way to force the warder'er to fight the war he started, then argue about restrains on leaving the corp.
For example, make it so that you can only wardec people if you have a POS, and should the said POS be destroyed or offlined, attacker loses the war and pays contribution.
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Sarkkon
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Posted - 2007.12.13 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Vadimik Edited by: Vadimik on 13/12/2007 11:39:21 Any kind of restrains on leaving the corp after the wardec will be viable only after some way to make wardecing corp responsible for it's actions is implemented.
Right now, you can wardec and never bother about supporing the said wardec with any actions, nor face any consequences if target corp proves to be more able to strike back, simply because the wardec'er can dock and wait the wardec out, as if it never happened.
I say, implement a way to force the warder'er to fight the war he started, then argue about restrains on leaving the corp.
For example, make it so that you can only wardec people if you have a POS, and should the said POS be destroyed or offlined, attacker loses the war and pays contribution.
This thread is about chronic corp jumpers. but I can see the reasoning of your argument. If you want to keep wars going i believe there is a 'make mutual' button that lets your war go on till someone surrenders. If 2 corps decide to make a war mutual, perhaps that should require a vote by both corps members and has to pass as a Majority YES to happen. Those corpmembers that vote 'YES' to the mutual can then be locked in the corp and war. those that voted 'NO' would retain their option to leave corp.{I belive that is kinda along the lines of what you were suggesting? }
Perhaps just having the Dev;s adn GM's rule chronic corp hoping as an exploit and take harsh action against the chronic jumpers would be simple enough fix.
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MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.12.13 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vadimik
For example, make it so that you can only wardec people if you have a POS, and should the said POS be destroyed or offlined, attacker loses the war and pays contribution.
what you want every corp that does not have a POS to be undeceble ?
that will make it so that anyone that does not vant to run POS's safe... and god forbid make farmer corps safe from war decs...
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Vadimik
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Posted - 2007.12.13 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sarkkon
Originally by: Vadimik Edited by: Vadimik on 13/12/2007 11:39:21 Any kind of restrains on leaving the corp after the wardec will be viable only after some way to make wardecing corp responsible for it's actions is implemented.
Right now, you can wardec and never bother about supporing the said wardec with any actions, nor face any consequences if target corp proves to be more able to strike back, simply because the wardec'er can dock and wait the wardec out, as if it never happened.
I say, implement a way to force the warder'er to fight the war he started, then argue about restrains on leaving the corp.
For example, make it so that you can only wardec people if you have a POS, and should the said POS be destroyed or offlined, attacker loses the war and pays contribution.
This thread is about chronic corp jumpers. but I can see the reasoning of your argument. If you want to keep wars going i believe there is a 'make mutual' button that lets your war go on till someone surrenders. If 2 corps decide to make a war mutual, perhaps that should require a vote by both corps members and has to pass as a Majority YES to happen. Those corpmembers that vote 'YES' to the mutual can then be locked in the corp and war. those that voted 'NO' would retain their option to leave corp.{I belive that is kinda along the lines of what you were suggesting? }
Perhaps just having the Dev;s adn GM's rule chronic corp hoping as an exploit and take harsh action against the chronic jumpers would be simple enough fix.
No, I'm talking about wardecing corp being able to hide and take no actions, if the target proves to be able to counterattack, or simply if they get bored with this war.
First they start the war, and then simply hide, when the target tries to beat them to it.
There should be a way to "win" the war if attackers fails to support their wardec with enought firepower, and make attackers pay contribution for failed war attempt.
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Vadimik
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Posted - 2007.12.13 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Vadimik on 13/12/2007 12:03:06
Originally by: MongWen
Originally by: Vadimik
For example, make it so that you can only wardec people if you have a POS, and should the said POS be destroyed or offlined, attacker loses the war and pays contribution.
what you want every corp that does not have a POS to be undeceble ?
that will make it so that anyone that does not vant to run POS's safe... and god forbid make farmer corps safe from war decs...
No, I want the corp that declares the war to have some assets that are open to counter-attack.
And that was clearly stated in my very first post, try reading more carefull.
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MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.12.13 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: MongWen on 13/12/2007 12:15:59
Originally by: Vadimik Edited by: Vadimik on 13/12/2007 12:03:06
Originally by: MongWen
Originally by: Vadimik
For example, make it so that you can only wardec people if you have a POS, and should the said POS be destroyed or offlined, attacker loses the war and pays contribution.
what you want every corp that does not have a POS to be undeceble ?
that will make it so that anyone that does not vant to run POS's safe... and god forbid make farmer corps safe from war decs...
No, I want the corp that declares the war to have some assets that are open to counter-attack.
And that was clearly stated in my very first post, try reading more carefull.
ok i see your point, tho that is a diffrent matter than Corp jumping, tho idk if it is as good idea to force POS warfare on people that wants to fight (ie. the corp that decs) and not all pirate corps in eve will like the forced POS warfare... but is a sound point but the corp/alliance that decs a corp/alliance has to pay to keep the war going, and paying to fight and not fight is well then they need to rethink what they are doing..
no offence but this is off topic, since that has nothing to do with corp jumping (ie player corps disbanding after getting deced, and creating a new corp and all of the same members join, to avoid the dec).
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Vadimik
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Posted - 2007.12.13 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: MongWen Edited by: MongWen on 13/12/2007 12:15:59
Originally by: Vadimik Edited by: Vadimik on 13/12/2007 12:03:06
Originally by: MongWen
Originally by: Vadimik
For example, make it so that you can only wardec people if you have a POS, and should the said POS be destroyed or offlined, attacker loses the war and pays contribution.
what you want every corp that does not have a POS to be undeceble ?
that will make it so that anyone that does not vant to run POS's safe... and god forbid make farmer corps safe from war decs...
No, I want the corp that declares the war to have some assets that are open to counter-attack.
And that was clearly stated in my very first post, try reading more carefull.
ok i see your point, tho that is a diffrent matter than Corp jumping, tho idk if it is as good idea to force POS warfare on people that wants to fight (ie. the corp that decs) and not all pirate corps in eve will like the forced POS warfare... but is a sound point but the corp/alliance that decs a corp/alliance has to pay to keep the war going, and paying to fight and not fight is well then they need to rethink what they are doing..
no offence but this is off topic, since that has nothing to do with corp jumping (ie player corps disbanding after getting deced, and creating a new corp and all of the same members join, to avoid the dec).
I'm afraid it has much to do with corp jumping, because the wardeced corp has no clear means to counter-attack atm.
What can you do, as a target of wardec ? a) disband b) remain docked c) try to counter-attack
You don't like a), granted. b) is not an option for most active corps. And c) is not possible, unless attackers are honorable enought to stand and fight (seldom the case), instead of simply evoiding counter-attack force and popping lone targets every now and then.
Unless there is a clear way to counter-attack and, if succesfull, end the wardec, disbanding is the only viable option.
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Noodle Pastaman
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Posted - 2007.12.13 12:39:00 -
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Get rid of war dec's full stop.
The vast majority of people who play EVE want consensual only PVP (most people live their entire lives in hi sec)
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C Black
Gallente BLACK CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.12.13 12:43:00 -
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up date....
41 members to 16 in less than 8 hours....how do you like them apples...
C Black Making new sign curently....Look back later...i am working on something cool...
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