Newly formed small Industrial corps get WarDec'd out of existence very quickly due to outdated broken game mechanics which invariably leads to rage quits, thus reducing subscriptions which inevitable hurts CCP in the long run.

First of all, your write up is conjecture at most, assumptions based on a couple of selected statements. Not to mention I find it biased and judgmental at best, written with a prejudiced viewpoint which is adverse to change.

Secondly, so fracking what.

If CCP does make high security safer for the small independent corps, I say great, it's about time.

For too long this game has allowed newly formed small corps to be subjected to grief WarDec by large corps whose sole intention is to pad their Killmails with easy kills, nothing more. They don't do it because of competition from a new small corp that has intruded on their territory. They do it simply for the enjoyment in the fact that they drove potential new players away from this game. Newly formed small Industrial corps get WarDec'd out of existence very quickly due to outdated broken game mechanics which invariably leads to rage quits, thus reducing subscriptions which inevitable hurts CCP in the long run.

First of all, your write up is conjecture at most, assumptions based on a couple of selected statements. Not to mention I find it biased and judgmental at best, written with a prejudiced viewpoint which is adverse to change.

Secondly, so fracking what.

If CCP does make high security safer for the small independent corps, I say great, it's about time.

For too long this game has allowed newly formed small corps to be subjected to grief WarDec by large corps whose sole intention is to pad their Killmails with easy kills, nothing more. They don't do it because of competition from a new small corp that has intruded on their territory. They do it simply for the enjoyment in the fact that they drove potential new players away from this game. Newly formed small Industrial corps get WarDec'd out of existence very quickly due to outdated broken game mechanics which invariably leads to rage quits, thus reducing subscriptions which inevitable hurts CCP in the long run.

....part of his own one-person corporation....

He never got a sniff of a wardec. This whole "people grief small industrial corps" argument is complete fallacy.

First of all, your write up is conjecture at most, assumptions based on a couple of selected statements. Not to mention I find it biased and judgmental at best, written with a prejudiced viewpoint which is adverse to change.

Secondly, so fracking what.

If CCP does make high security safer for the small independent corps, I say great, it's about time.

For too long this game has allowed newly formed small corps to be subjected to grief WarDec by large corps whose sole intention is to pad their Killmails with easy kills, nothing more. They don't do it because of competition from a new small corp that has intruded on their territory. They do it simply for the enjoyment in the fact that they drove potential new players away from this game. Newly formed small Industrial corps get WarDec'd out of existence very quickly due to outdated broken game mechanics which invariably leads to rage quits, thus reducing subscriptions which inevitable hurts CCP in the long run.

The safer, easier, less stress-free that highsec becomes, the harder it is going to be to keep people in nullsec for extended lengths of time. These people will always return to nullsec at some point, to get their game on, but the ratio of time spent in nullsec versus highsec will start to slant heavily in the highsec direction.

Well sweety, that is because a small 1 man freighter corp is obviously an alt hauling corp. Not to mention too small to bother with.

Complete BS. My alt hauled in highsec for a couple months, part of his own one-person corporation. He did a lot of hauling. Sixty to one hundred jumps per day, usually. Along all the major trade routes. In a freighter, loaded up with billions in cargo. He was hardly unnoticeable and certainly a target.

He never got a sniff of a wardec. This whole "people grief small industrial corps" argument is complete fallacy.

And to think, I used to have a hell of a lot of respect for you. When did you turn into just another "Make highsec safer EVE is dying" guy?

I have personal experience with this...

Or I should say, a lack of experience...

I had a group of friends who played, and with whom I had an alt for a couple years. 18 people *TOPS* - they didn't smack talk in local, they weren't interested in pvp (well, two were) and they did mostly hi-sec stuff. In all that time, they got -0- wardecs. Then RL happened and they drifted away from the game. They were in a hi-sec system at the entrance to low-sec, and provided a mini-shopping center, mining, making prop mods and guns and stuff. LOTS of people knew of their existence.

I know of at least 3 and maybe 4 small (<10 players) corps that have had a total of 2 wardecs in the last year. Both fizzed out when fights weren't forthcoming.

I'm not saying the labeled "griefer dec" doesn't happen, but at least in *my* experience, it's rare.

Well, I can also show a different side of that too so I call BS to your statements again. I know someone who had formed a small Industrial corp to start a business of doing research on BPO's. While in the process of anchoring a POS and other structures in high sec, his 2 man corp was WarDec'd by a 20 man corp who's only intention was to destroy his POS. They left a small secure can with a sarcastic message on the can laughing about the loss of the POS. I also know of others who have had similar situations. So now I call your statement and Blog a complete fallacy.

I know quite a few other corps that would disagree with your limited experience in stating that it's rare.

tl;dr - The War Declaration System is a perfect indicator of CCP's design and development philosophy.

The Bellwether Mechanic - Predicting CCP's Future Direction

And yet, the corp that Poetic belongs too has had a POS up for close to six months. Again, not a sniff of a wardec in all that time. (Although that may change in about 90 seconds since I drew added attention to it.)

And THAT is what makes all the talk about "making Highsec safe will kill the game" absolute garbage.

Interesting read. The problem with CCP is that they have never fully embraced the Sandbox concept. There's been too many times where they have intervened where they should not have done so, like buffing CONCORD after the blockade or nerfing Wardecs after the Privateer Alliance. I don't trust them to make the right choice with a new Wardec system. If they really want to make EVE a themepark type game they should just clearly say so and get on with it, Otherwise embrace EVE as it was originally conceived and marketed a Sandbox MMO built around spaceships and harsh unforgiving conflict.

Since, as you surmise, it is already pretty safe, why does it need to be made safer? If anything, it should be made a tad more dangerous. Just a tad, though.

Newly formed industrial corps get wardec'd out of existence because they don't deserve to exist. If they deserved to exist they would weather the storm just fine. Eve is darwinian by nature, so people either need to HTFU or get out.

Except that I hauled a lot over the course of that time, so my alt was more or less my main for that time period.

What is that magic number when people decide something is worth griefing? Numbers alone? Not the potential for catching a freighter full of cargo unaware?

....part of his own one-person corporation....

He never got a sniff of a wardec. This whole "people grief small industrial corps" argument is complete fallacy.

No what I am saying is making it "safer" won't make any real, discernible difference to "Eve the concept" but it will make it more accessible as "Eve the game"...

This is putting a bit more harshly than I would, but...QFT, just the same.

E: Come on, dMC, I know you know better than this. Don't you?

Going by that way of thinking, then someone like me who isn't in a player corp belonging to a large null sec alliance doesn't belong in Eve.

That statement by foxnod demonstrates the type of mentality that will only drive more players from this game, plain and simple.

There is no reason for an established 20 man PvP corp to WarDec a newly formed 2 man Industrial corp based in high sec other than to disrupt gameplay their industrial efforts

If it won't make any real, discernible difference, then it won't make the game any more accessible.
Then again, the safety of space is not a factor in accessibility to begin with. Accessibility comes from understanding and intuition GÇö teaching people the wrong lessons, setting up the wrong expectations, or hiding the actual game from them is pretty much the exact wrong way to go.

If anything, the game should be made a bit more dangerous so people have more reason to learn the mechanics involved and to adopt a safer behaviour. That way, they wouldn't be quite so scared witless over the slightest thing, nor would be they be as shocked and surprised when stuff happened and would understand why they happen rather than assume that there are some exploits or general rule-breaking at play.

As for GǣEVE the conceptGǥ, it pretty much requires an easy way to affect other people negativelyGǪ

If they make highsec safer they MUST make it less lucrative.

There are some enterprising people out there that don't move from highsec just because, risk wise, they can make more money there.

This must end.