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Zarcan
Liberate New Eden
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Posted - 2012.02.04 19:37:00 -
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It seems that in my observations on this forum, there is a pretty continuous theme of players complaining that there are too many high-sec players who avoid null-sec like the plague, and people consistently attempt to diagnose the problem.
Well, here's one to contribute.
The main reason why I, personally, never venture out into nullsec past my local lowsec systems is due to the fact that I know, for a fact, that I will die at the first gate or if not the first, the first chokepoint gate.. We all know this is true 99% of the time, unless you manage to go through close to downtime hours or catch them on a bathroom break.
Why is the bubble invincible? Why is there no way to counter it? There are stabs to counter warp scram, but none for bubbles? Wouldn't it make sense to introduce a module that acted as a bubble negater for non-T3 ships?
Couple ideas; it should take up a high slot, instead of a low. Fitting one should gimp your ship's fitting, rendering it practically impossible to tank. It should take up quite a bit of resources. Replace Deep Space Transorts +2 Warp Strength bonus with a -75% reduction in power usage for warp bubble nullifiers.
I guarantee you that if the gate camp bubble 99% success issue were fixed with a module and/or ship to counter it, we'd see a hell of a lot more ships and POS's there for you people to scan down.
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Mara Tessidar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.04 19:40:00 -
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get out
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.02.04 19:44:00 -
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Zarcan wrote:The main reason why I, personally, never venture out into nullsec past my local lowsec systems is due to the fact that I know, for a fact, that I will die at the first gate or if not the first, the first chokepoint gate.. We all know this is true 99% of the time, unless you manage to go through close to downtime hours or catch them on a bathroom break.
Utter bollocks.
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Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
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Posted - 2012.02.04 19:54:00 -
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99/100 campers don't even remotely know how to decloak, if you have a covert cloak and an MWD it is virtually impossible to die to a standard camp. |
Bo Bojangles
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.02.04 19:55:00 -
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*yawn*
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Feligast
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1071
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Posted - 2012.02.04 20:02:00 -
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u r dum.
More seriously, it's this kind of utter bullshit that continues to misinform and terrify highsec dwellers.
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Oryx Lux
The Drones Club
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Posted - 2012.02.04 20:14:00 -
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Ehm, not true. Gates are not camped as often as you think.
Personally, I'd love to wander nullsec, but I have no interest in joining Massive Alliance X or Z where I get to know a whopping three people out 500 and am permanently that-guy-I-see-sometimes-but-don't-really-remember. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1071
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Posted - 2012.02.04 20:17:00 -
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Oryx Lux wrote:Ehm, not true. Gates are not camped as often as you think.
Personally, I'd love to wander nullsec, but I have no interest in joining Massive Alliance X or Z where I get to know a whopping three people out 500 and am permanently that-guy-I-see-sometimes-but-don't-really-remember.
Honestly, there are lots of smaller ones out there.. maybe or maybe not sov holding, but < 1000 people. Quite a few < 500. |
Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
240
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Posted - 2012.02.04 20:26:00 -
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TIL
OP uses zero tactics or even logic when trying to accomplish his goal, then blames everything but himself for his failure.
Plenty of people go to null sec and solo or small gang every single day. If you have met with failure in your attempts to do this, it is because you have neglected to use the available game mechanics and resources to your advantage. This is a competitive multiplayer game. If others are organizing, planing, and flying better than you, then they are going to win.
Please do not run around screaming that the game is broken because you are bad at it. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
704
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Posted - 2012.02.04 20:30:00 -
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Zarcan wrote:Why is the bubble invincible? Why is there no way to counter it? Use a T3 cruiser with the Interdiction Nullifier subsystem.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
312
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Posted - 2012.02.04 20:36:00 -
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I dunno, I took a 4 day old trial account player and brought him via wormhole to our deployment center
dude didn't even know how to fly in ways other then set destination > CTRL-S, and he did better then that.
there are several ways of circumventing warp bubbles through pilot skill, ships that ignore bubbles, and avoiding systems that have bubbles altogether. If you use your imagination and put the work in, that is. |
Revman Zim
Babylon Holdings
United Interstellar Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.04 20:40:00 -
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I have toured null and low many times. As stated, if you fit your ship properly and have read one or two of the many lowsec/nullsec guides out there on gate camp tactics and bubbles you should be fine.
Usually you die due to your own stupidity or their blind luck. And that is what makes EVE such a great game. You never know... the outcome is not always predetermined. |
TheLostPenguin
Surreal Departure
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Posted - 2012.02.04 20:41:00 -
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Someone seems not to have discovered cloaks.... Seriously a covops ship has a very good chance of getting through most bubble camps unscathed, even with a slowboat t1 cloak it's still perfectly possible altho ofc somewhat riskier as you trundle away. Best of all is (as so often) is to bring a friend (or an alt will work just as well in this case) and have them scout for you in a covops hull, with a scout ahead you should have few problems rolling about much of nullsec for the hell of it/some casual ratting.
Gates aren't even as super camped as you suggest, not so very long ago a flew my pod out of null (after a hilariously silly suicide manouvere ) and saw 3 people on one gate, no bubble, and nobody else on several jumps thru null then low untill a lone camper on the gate from losec-hisec, yes there's times you might land in the middle of dozens of people sat camping a gate, but tbh those tend to be the exception rather than the rule. |
Dielax
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.04 20:47:00 -
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Zarcan wrote:
stuff
The main reason why I, personally, never venture out into nullsec past my local lowsec systems is due to the fact that I know, for a fact, that I will die at the first gate or if not the first, the first chokepoint gate..
stuff
this.
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IIIAsharakIII
GR3Y N0MADS
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Posted - 2012.02.04 21:34:00 -
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All you have to do is play smart. Thats all it takes. You don't have to change the game.
I'll requote something I was told over a voice comm server, playing a game not so different from what we're playing here.
The person said "Guys, I still get plenty of kills. So does that guy, and that guy, and that guy over there too. So maybe, the problem here isn't the game....."
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
99
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Posted - 2012.02.04 21:47:00 -
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Dielax wrote:Zarcan wrote:
stuff
The main reason why I, personally, never venture out into nullsec past my local lowsec systems is due to the fact that I know, for a fact, that I will die at the first gate or if not the first, the first chokepoint gate..
stuff
this.
Well, how about this, this or even this. If that seems like too much work, you're too lazy to leave high sec.
in other MMO's stupid people are annoying. In EVE they are a valuable resource
/facebrick for those times when /facepalm just isn't enough
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Captain Torgo
The Geedunk Expedition
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Posted - 2012.02.04 21:47:00 -
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I don't join null sec corps and alliances anymore. Why? Constant 23/7 CTA's with little to no regard for the needs of the individuals. Sorry, I can't spend THAT much time every day flying in mandatory fleets with little to no reward from it. I can't afford to go fight everytime a CTA is called, I need to do my carebear thing to replenish isk reserves.
Too many corps and alliances living in nullsec are too demanding. I found many that advertise themselves as an industry and/or mining corp, but every time I join it turns out all industry, mining and ratting activities are indefinitely suspended until further notice. Anyone caught engaging in said activities while they're suspended will be KOS.
That's not what I signed up for, but it keeps happening EVERY TIME I join a nullsec corp/alliance. I'm done with nullsec. |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
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Posted - 2012.02.04 22:10:00 -
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Thoughts? Get A Better Corp.
Srsly. My alliance got me a clone installed in a rorqual, so I could skip the trip.
Then I got a bunch of stuff shipped from highsec to our null systems.
I got the clone to a station, but lost everything but a shuttle due to politics, however. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
249
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Posted - 2012.02.04 22:29:00 -
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Zarcan wrote:
The main reason why I, personally, never venture out into nullsec past my local lowsec systems is due to the fact that I know, for a fact, that I will die at the first gate or if not the first, the first chokepoint gate.. We all know this is true 99 pct of the time, unless you manage to go through close to downtime hours or catch them on a bathroom break.
Thoughts?
My thoughts is that sadly new players land in Rookie chat, where they are brainwashed into mining.
They also land in hi sec where 80M SP losers brainwash them into the OH SO IMPOSSIBLE risks of putting their head past the door.
This is a mechanism known as adverse selection, where bads and losers keep accumulating in hi sec and teach the newcomers how to become bad and lose.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1191
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Posted - 2012.02.04 22:37:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Zarcan wrote:The main reason why I, personally, never venture out into nullsec past my local lowsec systems is due to the fact that I know, for a fact, that I will die at the first gate or if not the first, the first chokepoint gate.. We all know this is true 99% of the time, unless you manage to go through close to downtime hours or catch them on a bathroom break. Utter bollocks.
Correct.
In fact you have only a 30 percent chance of getting popped. I ran the numbers and did tests according to all of the well known "how to avoid bubble camps" tips.
But most of those tips will only beat dumb campers. I can think of many ways to beat the standard methods.
Still nothing beats the 50 bubbles on a gate method. At a certain point, it gets ridiculous.
I do have a ship that's been into 0.0 numerous times without so much as a scratch but people just gotta go with the herd and not think their way out of the box so I won't bother posting how I do that either.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.02.04 22:38:00 -
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I would belive you if you said low sec not null.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
305
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Posted - 2012.02.04 22:46:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
In fact you have only a 30 percent chance of getting popped. I ran the numbers and did tests according to all of the well known "how to avoid bubble camps" tips.
Oh GOD....Get A Life.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.02.04 22:48:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
In fact you have only a 30 percent chance of getting popped. I ran the numbers and did tests according to all of the well known "how to avoid bubble camps" tips.
Oh GOD....Get A Life.
Having a life and playing EvE is an oxymoron!
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1191
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Posted - 2012.02.04 22:50:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
In fact you have only a 30 percent chance of getting popped. I ran the numbers and did tests according to all of the well known "how to avoid bubble camps" tips.
Oh GOD....Get A Life.
I already have one, which is why I can only trespass in 0.0 and not be cannon fodder/renter slave and stay there.
It's almost 60 degrees out and clear sky - rare for where I am, so I now go drive my muscle car for a while. Hope EvE is still here when I get back.
BTW: most people call me Wolf, or "Hertz". Only my girlfriend calls me God.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.02.04 22:56:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I do have a ship that's been into 0.0 numerous times without so much as a scratch
woah
you must be... some sort of god |
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