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Katsou Makoto	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:55:00 - [1] I'm relatively new to eve about 3 million skill points all in combat. I currently drive a Caldari Drake and am one hell of a tank in pvp. However I have started building up a raven and well do a lot of solo ratting and everything else and was wondering if I should stick with the drake and raven or if I should look into some different solo ships... So I am asking everyone here what kind of ships should I build towards because caldari isn't exactly solo champions. I just need something that can survive alone.
Phil Miller	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:57:00 - [2] Stick to drake, max your tanking skills, missiles skills, work those drones to T2. Slowly proceed to Command Ships. ___________________________________
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:58:00 - [3] IMO, stick with the Drake or Caracal... because of your (lack of) SP, their cost, and general viability. Solo battleships (in general) are begging to be killed. -Liang -- I give up (Make me say whatever you want!): Price Check: Liang Nuren
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:04:00 - [4] Erm. Not quite sure what you're asking here. You mention 'needing to survive', does that mean you want something you can just 'have in 0.0'? More generally, if you want to solo PvP in Caldari, don't. It can be done, but in general you are sacrificing the major advantages of Caldari ships when you do, because of the necessity for speed mods, tackle mods, and being within 24km to get a point on them. As such, your ship which is still one of the fatest and slowest in EVE, will be outclassed in a solo context, by one of a different race. By all means try it, but it's a 'beating up small children' kind of a game. If you mean 'survive solo' then basically what you _really_ need to do is pay attention to local. And probably fit a cloak, and maybe a stab or two. It may be very lame indeed, but a 4 stab, FoF missile cloaking drake can be rather effective at ratting in 'dangerous territory', especially lowsec where there's no bubbles. Just be prepared for smack for fitting stabs ;p -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP
Captain Sonata	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:06:00 - [5] Originally by: James Lyrus Erm. Not quite sure what you're asking here. You mention 'needing to survive', does that mean you want something you can just 'have in 0.0'? Isn't it funny how 2 people prior to your post understood perfectly what he meant?
Melaxion Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:08:00 - [6] The Raven can be nice solopwnmobile, but in you need to think more in that ship then in megathron, because ravens are huge and fat ;D
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Melaxion The Raven can be nice solopwnmobile, but in you need to think more in that ship then in megathron, because ravens are huge and fat ;D Hey, at least you dont have to fit the raven for speed, just for gank + heavy tank + scram, before that mega realizes he's doomed he cant warp out I smell the raven will get a nasty suprise with the new torp stats Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
Tyrantus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.14 04:28:00 - [8] Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Melaxion The Raven can be nice solopwnmobile, but in you need to think more in that ship then in megathron, because ravens are huge and fat ;D Hey, at least you dont have to fit the raven for speed, just for gank + heavy tank + scram, before that mega realizes he's doomed he cant warp out I smell the raven will get a nasty suprise with the new torp stats FOTM Close Range PVP Raven: Highs- 6X Siege 2X Medium Nuet Mids- 1X Heavy Cap Booster 1X XL Booster 1X Warp Dis 3X Hardners Lows- 1X PDS 1X DC II 3X BCS II Rigs- 3X Resist Enjoy until it gets the nerfbat.
Dinakheron	Posted - 2007.12.14 06:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Tyrantus FOTM Close Range PVP Raven: Highs- 6X Siege 2X Medium Nuet Mids- 1X Heavy Cap Booster 1X XL Booster 1X Warp Dis 3X Hardners Lows- 1X PDS 1X DC II 3X BCS II Rigs- 3X Resist Drones- 5X Med ECM 5X Warrior II Enjoy until it gets the nerfbat. Why would it need nerfbat? Any ship with MWD can run from this setup. Torps dont hit that hard even battleships MWD speeds.
Tyrantus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.14 06:35:00 - [10] Presumably because it tanks and ganks so well is my thought. The majority of those players were much older than me and had full T2 fits and the T2 gunnery skills to match (probably a full faction implant set too as we were on the test server.^^) whilst I only had arby siege and torps 3 with average missile support skills though my tanking skills are near max as I'm primarily a cosmos mission runner. And as far as MWD ships what gang doesn't have a tackler with a web?
Dinakheron	Posted - 2007.12.14 06:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Tyrantus Presumably because it tanks and ganks so well is my thought. The majority of those players were much older than me and had full T2 fits and the T2 gunnery skills to match (probably a full faction implant set too as we were on the test server.^^) whilst I only had arby siege and torps 3 with average missile support skills though my tanking skills are near max as I'm primarily a cosmos mission runner. And as far as MWD ships what gang doesn't have a tackler with a web? Mega tanks and ganks just aswell (have less range, but can tackle aswell) and nobody has crying nerf for it . Also if you are gang and have tackler, then any gank BS would probaply be enought.
Tyrantus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.14 06:57:00 - [12] Actually the Megas died horribly without so much as making my tank break a sweat along with the Hyperions. The Minnie ships put up a great fight though the majority were never in doubt about the outcome. The exception was an awsome fight with a Phoon going down to the last few bars of hull. DCII FTW. So a gang filled with the new torp Ravens with actual T2 missile skills would be damn near a juggernaught at close range. But hey we can leave that to the warring corps to figure out I'm just passing on my test server expeiences is all.
Dinakheron	Posted - 2007.12.14 07:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Tyrantus Actually the Megas died horribly without so much as making my tank break a sweat along with the Hyperions. The Minnie ships put up a great fight though the majority were never in doubt about the outcome. The exception was an awsome fight with a Phoon going down to the last few bars of hull. DCII FTW. So a gang filled with the new torp Ravens with actual T2 missile skills would be damn near a juggernaught at close range. But hey we can leave that to the warring corps to figure out I'm just passing on my test server expeiences is all. Im dont disagree with you. New torp raven is good. Just that many BS with skilled (both SP and real skill) pilots are just as good.
Tyrantus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.14 07:26:00 - [14] Well its just a prediction so time will tell. As for me I've already fastracked my skill tree to T2 Siege and max support skills.
AnKahn Caldari Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.12.14 17:08:00 - [15] Kats, Welcome to the wacky world of the EvE forums. There are many nuggets of information here that will help you in your quest to be all you can be in EvE. We got the "survive solo while ratting" part. This is a good place to start. I think you got the reaction "Caldari not solopwnmobiles" because people want you to know right away, esp at 3 mil SP, to cross train another race RIGHT NOW if you want that. I got lucky because I believe in missiles and shields just from a si-fi role playing perspective (I am not a role player tho so this statement many not make sense)so I have trained exclusively for the Drake and Raven. I can active and passive shield tank. Have active hardeners to tech II. I do not have damage control to II yet. Tech II Heavies, Cruises, and now Torps. Target painter still one, but I understand the PAWNAGE (named) TP are preferred anyway. Missile projection, Missile bombardment (I think its called), Warhead upgrades all to 4. Rapid Launch to V (thats a good one). Weapons upgrade then advanced weapons upgrade (V, then I think I'm up to 3 AWU--found under gunnery I think, very important for fitting). You need Ballistic Control to tech II ASAP. Bottom line is at your level if you focus on the Drake and train all your skills to max out the Drake's potential you will be able to hold your own at PvP and own PvE. All the skills transfer well to the Raven with just a little active shield boosting training (and some say passive Raven is cool with HP buffer anyway). You can do all of the above with about 10 mil SP. Don't go to a Raven. People will ignore you ratting in a Drake. If they scan a solo Raven they will be on you like white on rice. Rat in a system with a station and watch local. Seriously that's all you need to know. Move your stuff around in a Condor. For giggles stab it and put a MWD on it. It will not save you from a bubble tho. You make more money with missions. Enjoy.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.14 17:14:00 - [16] I heard you can solo missions really well in caldari ships. Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
AnKahn Caldari Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.12.14 18:42:00 - [17] Socratz, Why are you a big meanie?
azura nester White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.14 19:55:00 - [18] caldari in general isnt very good for solo pvping, but caldari always shine when they are in small or large gangs.
Ulstan	Posted - 2007.12.14 20:18:00 - [19] Quote: I just need something that can survive alone. If you get jumped by a big enough gang, nothing is going to survive alone. That said, I think a Drake is your best choice. Cheap, not hard to fly with at least minimal effectiveness, and is renowned for having a great tank, so people may just choose to ignore you rather than hunt you down. Don't expect to be flying around solopwning people in the Drake (or any other caldari ship) but if you want to be able to rat in 0.0 "safely", Drake is your ship.
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.12.14 20:36:00 - [20] Edited by: Pinky Denmark on 14/12/2007 20:37:39 The New Ravens are super Cool (though I better like the old Siege Raven in a support role) - BUT with only 6 medslots the Raven is too limited to deserve a nerf... MWD Disruptor Web Cap Booster 2-3 Hardeners Shield Booster and Amplifier or at least 2 Shield Extenders 1-2 Target Painters for a Siege Raven Is what's IMO very usefull for a solo battleship tackling and shield tanking... Thats at least 2-3 or more modules you have to choose not to use... Meaning the Raven solo will never be living up to it's full potential of horror PS: stick to using Harpies, Caracals and Drakes for now... They are good and versatile - I'm a nice guy!! But hook me up with some pew pew, because I'm really bored...
Lux Exterior Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 21:18:00 - [21] All that with 3 million SP, do you ever get the feeling no one is listening when you ask a simple question? Alternatively try a Blackbird, i soloed a Drake and a Brutix in one, they didn't die though, just got bored and docked. Does that help?
velmistr Ecco Caldari InNova Tech Inc Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.12.14 21:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Lux Exterior All that with 3 million SP, do you ever get the feeling no one is listening when you ask a simple question? Alternatively try a Blackbird, i soloed a Drake and a Brutix in one, they didn't die though, just got bored and docked. Does that help? You were lucky that drake pilot hadn't fofs ready. You should have been dead very fast.
Tyrantus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.14 21:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Lux Exterior All that with 3 million SP, do you ever get the feeling no one is listening when you ask a simple question? Alternatively try a Blackbird, i soloed a Drake and a Brutix in one, they didn't die though, just got bored and docked. Does that help? Well others havd already told him to stick with the Drake for the moment so I was simply giving him a goal to work towards in the coming weeks and months. He's going to make much more isk per hour ratting in a Raven than a Drake plus if some nub trys to jump him in anything less than a BS or some nanofit cruiser then he should be able to wax them quick though hitting your SS when people come into local is usually the prefered course of action. Even if its just one pilot that pops up in local there might be a blob right on the other side waiting for him to call tally ho I've got one tackled.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.14 22:44:00 - [24] Originally by: AnKahn Socratz, Why are you a big meanie? what'd i do this time xD Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
UGLYUGLY	Posted - 2007.12.14 22:52:00 - [25] Get yourself a crow, easy to get a perma point and MWD now. Your quite safe flying around just about anywhere, with the exception of large gate camps. Only problem will be your target choices are fairly small.
Verlaine Glariant Knights of the Flame Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.15 01:14:00 - [26] Your answer has only one word: Nighthawk. Self explanatory. Verlaine Glariant. Tactical Weapons Specialist. AMPHYSVENA WEBSITE COMING SOON
Eardianm Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.15 01:21:00 - [27] Originally by: Verlaine Glariant Your answer has only one word: Nighthawk. Self explanatory. Disregarding the 3mil SP the OP mentioned... wha? Humor this Caldari CBC pilot and give a NH setup for soloing. I've worked out a couple, but none than I would fly over a Drake similarly fit. The performance just doesn't outweigh the cost difference. And both have some survivabilty issues solo, being slow Caldari. --------------
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.12.15 01:43:00 - [28] That NightHawk got real bad issues for most types of solo pvp - I'd use the Drake too... less than 1/5th the price, 1 extra medslot and better fitting for HAMS Those 3m sp caldari solo should work fine/best in a tier 2 cruiser or Drake - Harpies are fun too though... - I'm a nice guy!! But hook me up with some pew pew, because I'm really bored...
AnKahn Caldari Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.12.15 04:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: AnKahn Socratz, Why are you a big meanie? what'd i do this time xD You seemed overly sarcastic, but may have being helpful and I did not expect it, sorry.
Katsou Makoto	Posted - 2007.12.15 08:08:00 - [30] thanks for the help guys. I was doing some reading and it seems maybe I should do some skill training for gunnery and fly a ferox for pvp and move on to the vulture. I looked at the nighthawk it looks amazing I would like to fly that over a raven or both eventually. So should I take the time to train up all the gunnery skills and switch to gunnery caldari ships that are supposed to be better at pvp or stick to missiles and train to tech 2?

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