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Dyaven
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Posted - 2012.02.05 02:32:00 -
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Why are you so useless? I want to fly you so bad, but there's nothing you can do well.
Dual Rep? Myrmidon does it better at a quarter of the cost.
Nano Shield? Can't engage anything that can hit you from 20km - most notably, Hurricane and Drake. Derp.
Brick Tank? Wtf are you thinking.
When trying to fit an Ishtar one thing that immediately hits you is PG/CPU issues. I can not think of any ship that has more fitting issues than the Ishtar. It has a Medium Gun bonus but if it fits three Medium Blasters it literally has room for nothing else. Can this boat please get some much needed love? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
139
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Posted - 2012.02.05 02:36:00 -
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Dyaven wrote:Why are you so useless? I want to fly you so bad, but there's nothing you can do well. Dual Rep? Myrmidon does it better at a quarter of the cost. Nano Shield? Can't engage anything that can hit you from 20km - most notably, Hurricane and Drake. Derp. Brick Tank? Wtf are you thinking. When trying to fit an Ishtar one thing that immediately hits you is PG/CPU issues. I can not think of any ship that has more fitting issues than the Ishtar. It has a Medium Gun bonus but if it fits three Medium Blasters it literally has room for nothing else. Can this boat please get some much needed love?
Be careful when saying "nothing". It is a very absolute word. The Ishtar does a number of things extremely well. I assume from your examples above you are focusing on the PVP side? |
Humidor Cigarillo
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Posted - 2012.02.05 02:45:00 -
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Dyaven wrote:Why are you so useless? I want to fly you so bad, but there's nothing you can do well.
It's the best cheap plexing ship in gur/serp space and most certainly the best if that space is hostile. If you're belllyaching about it being inferior as a pvp ship then i've got news for you: most hacs are just as useless. |
Parked Here
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.05 02:56:00 -
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The Ishtar shines as a PVE ship, not all ships are good at everything. |
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.05 03:16:00 -
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let us hear some more complaints about one of the best hacs
HAI GUISE |
Jeremy Ironforge
White syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.05 03:18:00 -
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285 base CPU, hell, even T1 hulls have more! And that's double stupid and unfair since Ishtar needs a DLA so badly and that's 50 CPU!!! |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
365
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Posted - 2012.02.05 03:21:00 -
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Ishtar cant do anything pvp-related properly. it used to make a good nano platform before the atrocities like the Cyn became mainstream, and before tier 3's were introduced. now with the AF buffs, there isnt anything that cant catch the Ishtar. brick Ishtar doesnt have enough EHP, and cant project its dps properly. plated Deimos is a better AHAC.
nano shield Gila is a beast though. Ishtar = king of PVE. |
Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
365
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Posted - 2012.02.05 03:22:00 -
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Dorian Tormak wrote:let us hear some more complaints about one of the best hacs
someone tell this guy it's not 2008-2009 any longer. |
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2012.02.05 04:45:00 -
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well why dont you just tell me instead of trying to get someone else to tell me huh buddy
HAI GUISE |
Kn1v3s 999
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.05 05:05:00 -
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it's not 2008 mate. |
Maximille Biagge
The Eden Trading International Corporation
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.05 06:39:00 -
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I have a few friends who used to run serpentis plexes in passive shield tanked ishtars which they swore by. Apparently they can get a bomb tank that way and you just let your drones do the talking. |
Humidor Cigarillo
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Posted - 2012.02.05 06:44:00 -
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Hay gaiz, my cruze raven didn't get into the alpha fleet tonight. Came to post about it. o7o7o7 |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:32:00 -
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Used to be the go-to ship for hunting down those hidden Serpentis/Guristas and murdering them for profit. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:59:00 -
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The fact that everyone here is listing PVE scenarios really does show how much of a buff the Ishtar needs for pvp. It's a joke that the bonus is for medium hybrids but yet most of the popular fits are using small hybrids.
Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Humidor Cigarillo
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Posted - 2012.02.05 09:16:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:The fact that everyone here is listing PVE scenarios really does show how much of a buff the Ishtar needs for pvp. It's a joke that the bonus is for medium hybrids but yet most of the popular fits are using small hybrids.
I'll gladly take a HAC that has a pve niche over a HAC that has no niche at all (eagle) or a hac who's niche is so small it has hardly been seen since the nano-nerf (sac). In-fact i'd take the ishtar over any hac today because they're all essentially useless in pvp thanks to tier3 bc being cheaper and better in most hac applications.
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Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.02.05 17:04:00 -
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Humidor Cigarillo wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:The fact that everyone here is listing PVE scenarios really does show how much of a buff the Ishtar needs for pvp. It's a joke that the bonus is for medium hybrids but yet most of the popular fits are using small hybrids.
I'll gladly take a HAC that has a pve niche over a HAC that has no niche at all (eagle) or a hac who's niche is so small it has hardly been seen since the nano-nerf (sac). In-fact i'd take the ishtar over any hac today because they're all essentially useless in pvp thanks to tier3 bc being cheaper and better in most hac applications.
Apart from the vagabond that is. But we have the Cyna for that. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.02.05 17:40:00 -
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i havnt used a ishtar for a LOOOOOOOONG time, used to fly one at least once a week and even had afew fitted for different things.
Nowadays the ehp is very poor with extremly tight fitting limits and a blaster bonus for medium guns which if you fit, you have used half your grid and a 3rd of your cpu - and thats ONLY 3 GUNS!
Yeah ishtar atm is ishtarded
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Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.02.05 17:48:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:i
Nowadays the ehp is very poor with extremly tight fitting limits and a blaster bonus for medium guns which if you fit, you have used half your grid and a 3rd of your cpu - and thats ONLY 3 GUNS!
Try fitting an Omen and we'll talk.
While I don't disagree, the Ishtar is still a good ship in its class. It's just that HAC's have lost a lot of ground since tier2 and tier3 BC's. |
Hornet2060
Black Mesa
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Posted - 2012.02.05 18:51:00 -
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I use an Ishtar as an exploration ship with good success. Has made me some nice profits, especially using sentry drones. It is good for that role, especially with the kin resist in gurist space. |
Ventro69
Manson Family
Corcoran State
68
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:59:00 -
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Sigh.....
You leave your hi slots open.
Fit point AND scram AND web and speed tank it.
Deploy Sentries at 0 on gate. Tackle anything you want, kite, loot.
Thank you Mario! But our princess is in another castle!
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Austneal
Terror Squad.
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:34:00 -
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Ventro69 wrote:Sigh.....
You leave your hi slots open.
Fit point AND scram AND web and speed tank it.
Deploy Sentries at 0 on gate. Tackle anything you want, kite, loot.
Die to anything that your sentries can't hit?
Idk, I'm not an Ishtar pilot |
DaRiKavus
Expendable Asset's
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:25:00 -
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Nano fitted with Neuts (for those moments when you really didnt mean to get into scram range) isnt the worse thing you can do with this ship.
But like most HAC's (IMHO) they are not meant to be flown solo and are there more to complement fleet comp.
*all I know is small gang low sec work before the null sec guys jump down my throat  |
Ventro69
Manson Family
Corcoran State
68
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Posted - 2012.02.06 17:50:00 -
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Austneal wrote:Ventro69 wrote:Sigh.....
You leave your hi slots open.
Fit point AND scram AND web and speed tank it.
Deploy Sentries at 0 on gate. Tackle anything you want, kite, loot.
Die to anything that your sentries can't hit? Idk, I'm not an Ishtar pilot
Dunno dude, I'm not really an Ishtar pilot either. Now my Frenchie alt, there's a good pilot.
I guess if you're not one of those guys who panics in a fight, you can always, mmmmm, lemme see, if only there was an option to abandon drones... And if only the Ishtar had the drone capacity for multiple drones....
Thank you Mario! But our princess is in another castle!
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Jodie Amille
Rape of Virtue
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:31:00 -
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DaRiKavus wrote:Nano fitted with Neuts (for those moments when you really didnt mean to get into scram range) isnt the worse thing you can do with this ship. But like most HAC's (IMHO) they are not meant to be flown solo and are there more to complement fleet comp. *all I know is small gang low sec work before the null sec guys jump down my throat
Problem is why bother when a tier 3 bc can field twice as much dps with 10k less ehp, doing 300m/s slower at 1/2 the cost? In general, canes and drakes have made kiting hacs a non-starter in general. Unless you have ewar. In which case go for style points and kill with kite-ibis'.
(r.i.p my beloved nano pulse zealot) |
DaRiKavus
Expendable Asset's
10
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:37:00 -
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Well unjammable DPS (SeBo in the mids) and cap stable 2000m/s (un heated) seemed ok for me when I was flying it.
I am no pvp guru but DPS and EHP arent the only things that rule in pvp IMHO.
And like any combat situation you select your targets surely.
Not starting a slagging match, you make a valid point I just think there are situations where an Ishtar can shine. |
Jodie Amille
Rape of Virtue
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:46:00 -
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Of course there are. The same can be said of every ship in game game though. For me, drone travel time and/or having to bail on sentries don't make it worth the cost.
Most HAC's need a new or improved role and a general rebalance, IMO. |
Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:10:00 -
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Jeremy Ironforge wrote:285 base CPU, hell, even T1 hulls have more! And that's double stupid and unfair since Ishtar needs a DLA so badly and that's 50 CPU!!!
You need more than the stock 105km control range often? That can only be somewhat useful with Wardens and they suck. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:53:00 -
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It's definitely one of the best PVE ships out there and serves as a good platform for doing non-PVP activities while still being able to defend itself until it can GTFO or until help arrives.
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Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 21:08:00 -
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Lubomir Penev wrote:Jeremy Ironforge wrote:285 base CPU, hell, even T1 hulls have more! And that's double stupid and unfair since Ishtar needs a DLA so badly and that's 50 CPU!!! You need more than the stock 105km control range often? That can only be somewhat useful with Wardens and they suck.
Control Range bonus only appllies to scout and heavy drones. |
Allyia Base
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:12:00 -
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The ishtar is probably in the top 5 most flexible and powerful ships you can put together on a budget, both for pve and pvp. If you don't know about the many uses of the ishtar as a gallente pilot, you should figure it out. |
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