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Rymata	Posted - 2007.12.15 03:25:00 - [1] Edited by: Rymata on 15/12/2007 03:26:50 Kronos: Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Domination Stasis Webifier Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 425mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Salvager I Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Auxiliary Nano Pump II Capacitor Control Circuit II Paladin: Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Amarr Navy Heat Sink Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Domination Stasis Webifier Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Salvager I Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Auxiliary Nano Pump II Capacitor Control Circuit II With same tanking capabilities and everythig same (perm rep, tracking, optimal etc) paladin has 200 more dps. May be my kronos fit is stupid? But couldnt find any use for its last 3000 (!) powergrid. I think 200 extra dps is a too big advantage. Btw golem is much more usless then kronos...
Zeph Solaris NYIT Gangstaz SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 03:40:00 - [2] lol, nerf amarr!
Hami Sa	Posted - 2007.12.15 04:06:00 - [3] 424s have higher optimal. 425s have higher falloff. 425s have lower cap use. Hybrids are acceptable to good against all rats while lasers are terrible against most and great against a few. The falloff is negligeable, the optimal is not. It might not seem like much when loaded with short range ammo but load up sniping ammo and it's a much bigger deal. That may not affect you, but it very much is a factor in the balancing of those weapons.
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.12.15 05:13:00 - [4] These are obviously missioning fits, and in that respect he's right.....the Paladin is better for missioning than the Kronos in every way. The higher optimal on railguns is irrelevant, nothing in missions orbits further than 49km away.
Vrenth Gallente 23rd Armor Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 05:36:00 - [5] Originally by: Xequecal These are obviously missioning fits, and in that respect he's right.....the Paladin is better for missioning than the Kronos in every way. The higher optimal on railguns is irrelevant, nothing in missions orbits further than 49km away. Missions? . Missions aren't the only PVE in the game. Plenty of things orbit outside that range in complexes. And even more so for 0.0 rats. --------------------------------- Let's make CLONE VATS useful!
Hami Sa	Posted - 2007.12.15 05:41:00 - [6] As I said above, the weapon systems weren't balanced specifically for mission running. And if the ships were? Well if the Kronos got a boost to be "on par" with the Paladin at mission running that would majorly upset its pvp balance against the Paladin. Originally by: Vrenth Missions? . Missions aren't the only PVE in the game. Plenty of things orbit outside that range in complexes. And even more so for 0.0 rats. Damn right.
Shereza	Posted - 2007.12.15 06:01:00 - [7] I run my alt with an abaddon, okay gunnery skills, amarr battleship 3 for awhile (4 now), and the only rats that lasers truly stank against were guristas. Maybe it's because the ship was DPS support and not tank and I could get away with 1 LAR2, 1 EANM2, a couple tracking computers (pre-Trinity), a T2 heat sink, and the rest of the mods being cap support for 4 tachyon and 4 mega modal lasers or maybe it's not. Either way sansha/blood disintegrated and everything else died fairly quickly too and guristas were the only rats I ever found me drake doing equal DPS against. Also, speaking of guristas, there's at least one guristas battleship that orbits at 55km and another one or two that orbit at 50km I believe. Shooting for 49km, pun not intended, optimal and using it as a "one size fits all" range for every mission isn't so good, at least if you get a fairly large number of guristas missions. I haven't noticed any non-guristas rats orbiting at 50km+ but then the other rats usually don't survive long enough to get that far out and start orbiting.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.15 10:13:00 - [8] Last time I checked, the Paladin didn't have the grid to fit 4 tachyons II + complex large rep. You're right that the Paladin does more raw dps, but it's less polyvalent against npcs. A railgun will do good dps against seprentis/guristas and average dps against the rest. A laser will do good dps against blood/sanchas and bad dps against the rest... ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.12.15 11:10:00 - [9] Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 15/12/2007 11:11:07 assuming no implants and all relevant skills at 5, the Paladin is about 0.8k grid short of fitting the stuff you mentioned. Replace one Heatsink with a PDS and it fits (and is cap-stable too) You however drop just over 100 DPS, reducing the difference quite a bit. My guess is, it now balances quite nicely.
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:05:00 - [10] If the rail-Kronos would have the same dps as a tachyon-Paladin then the blaster-Kronos would be completely overpowered. Some races have higher dps long range weapons, some have higher dps close range weapons...
Drogher Forerunner	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:16:00 - [11] Doesnt the Kronos have a bigger dronebay? Run with a MWD much more efficiently and use a hell of alot less cap on its rails and have better range (and i think less poergrid) than beam laseres. Tell you what, up the powergrid usage and the activation cost to an equavlent for rate of fire. Drop your range and then i wouldnt mind if it had a boost in DPS
Rymata	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Shadowsword Last time I checked, the Paladin didn't have the grid to fit 4 tachyons II + complex large rep. You're right that the Paladin does more raw dps, but it's less polyvalent against npcs. A railgun will do good dps against seprentis/guristas and average dps against the rest. A laser will do good dps against blood/sanchas and bad dps against the rest... With PG8 its enought grid. Ive got the idea with rat types. You are right, maybe its balanced.

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