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Windjammer	Posted - 2007.12.22 07:37:00 - [61] Originally by: Arekhon why is this thread still going..... piracy, like politics is obviously one of those things you should not talk about with strangers... And yet you, as we, do.
steveid Templar Securities and Holdings Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.12.22 20:11:00 - [62] piracy is generally done for all gain no goals. pvp is generally done for goals and hopefully gain. You pvp to drive away a competitor maybe, you pirate hoping for some decent loot.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.12.22 20:19:00 - [63] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 22/12/2007 20:20:41 Originally by: Comrade Bobski I am intending to make the move into 0.0 or low sec soon once I find a corp. I had been reading the forums for quite some time, and after a while i found that there were two types of pvp corp- the ones that say "we do pvp" and the type that say "we do piracy". If you have enough money for GTCs and/or like 20-man groups, go for 'mean PvP corps' Rifters!
Drunken Claptrap Caldari VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2007.12.23 01:15:00 - [64] Originally by: Tapper Jackson The difference can be a grey area. Both enjoy blowing other people up. Who doesn't? Pirates will lie, cheat and do whatever it take to blow someone up and love to take advantage of the lack of knowledge found in newbs. Quoted for total Bull****
Wynona Mesopotamia iMune Empire	Posted - 2007.12.23 02:34:00 - [65] I think it's all about an opposing force, without that force it wouldn't be a game. Some players are very sensitive about what kind of force they portray. The ones who show good sportsmanship in all outcomes are the coolest, they're the ungriefable type. PvPer Schmeeveepeer, Pirate Schmirate, it's just an opposing force. Click here for Free War Removal Service
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:27:00 - [66] well ok then all areas of the game can be termed pvp (trading etc), pirating means (most of the time) using the pvp with fighting for loot/ransom, so pvp is how you define it in the context...
Alowishus Shadow Company FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.12.27 19:27:00 - [67] PvP is a generic term meaning any player on player combat. The truth is that people who kill people in Eve are often killing people who are weaker. Lets face it, if they weren't weaker, and you weren't at an advantage, you wouldn't have killed them. Piracy and alliance wars are just different justifications for slaughtering of weak players who can't/didn't properly defend themselves. I personally lean toward piracy, it seems the most honest to me. For long periods of time as a pirate I killed nearly everything I ran across. Most fights were not fair, a vast majority of them, my opponents often didn't even try to flee or fight back. It was ******* pathetic. In cases where I chose my fights poorly and the odds were stacked against me, I usually ran away or died. It may sound like I am one of those whiney folks who is against PvP. But I am not. I am addicted to PvP. I just want people to realize there is little difference between piracy and any other justification for PvP. Look at most alliance killboards, see how many even fights you find. There will be almost none. Thinking there are different types of PvP or "PvPer" is delusional. Simply put, we all enjoy killing the weak. It's not a character flaw, most of us live for the day we can be involved in a glorious and fair battle. But the reality is that those fair fights rarely rarely happen and we're still just as happy to catch people in bubbles and get on a kill-mail that shows 20:1 odds.
Woods Reynolds	Posted - 2007.12.28 14:22:00 - [68] Pirates are -10 Pvp'ers are -1.9 and above.
AliceInChains	Posted - 2007.12.28 15:04:00 - [69] I pirate because it can be lucrative with little risk if you're in a party with like-minded individuals, and requires less effort than PvP ie, camping high traffic low security short cuts to trade hubs. After the Privateer nerf it seems the next best thing, just with a security penalty. "PvP" seems to involve a much larger time investment for less gain, in my humble opinion :).
Lars Vegaz	Posted - 2007.12.28 18:37:00 - [70] Like in most mmo's that allow non concensular pvp you have pk's (pirates in EVE) and pvp'ers. Any pvp'er can pirate but not every pirate can pvp, that about sums it up. I was a pirate for my first year in EVE, but became a merc/0,0 fighter when popping 2 day old pilots in catalyst stopped to amuse me. Its utter bs to claim that beeing a pirate brings more and better possibilitys to fight, the only pluss to being a flashy red is that cluless n00bs (knobs) freeze up when u warp in on em in lowsec belts, but those occasions are rare aT BEST (to find anyone in a belt in lowsec that is). To get a lot of action as a pirate you have to camp gates,and use a BS or bc, i rember how liberating it was for me to popp my first industrial in 0,0 in a ceptor and realized i didnt have to only fly a bs, that it actually was room for using all the other sweetness i can fly. Anyway this is not me trying to say that all pirates are n00bs, far from it there are several good pirate corps out there, you know who they are. Its more me pointing out that every n00b is a pirate before he becomes a pvp'er so dont belive the hype
tek tek Gallente Porta Igneus	Posted - 2007.12.28 20:52:00 - [71] Edited by: tek tek on 28/12/2007 20:55:23 Originally by: Woods Reynolds Pirates are -10 Pvp'ers are -1.9 and above. So where did you get those numbers? On the back of cereal box? Dude I was flying around @ -6 or -7 for a long time and by no means am I a "pirate". I do a little pirating, spree killing, fleet battles and so on and so on. So I just pew pew. And plus if you were a succesful pirate and were getting the ransoms you were asking for you would think it would be a lot harder to get to -10. You get a penalty for agresion but if you are honoring your ransoms it should be damn hard to get there if you are not popping ships and pods. Lead follow or get the hell out of the way!
Woods Reynolds	Posted - 2007.12.28 21:01:00 - [72] Originally by: tek tek Edited by: tek tek on 28/12/2007 20:55:23 Originally by: Woods Reynolds Pirates are -10 Pvp'ers are -1.9 and above. So where did you get those numbers? On the back of cereal box? Dude I was flying around @ -6 or -7 for a long time and by no means am I a "pirate". I do a little pirating, spree killing, fleet battles and so on and so on. So I just pew pew. And plus if you were a succesful pirate and were getting the ransoms you were asking for you would think it would be a lot harder to get to -10. You get a penalty for agresion but if you are honoring your ransoms it should be damn hard to get there if you are not popping ships and pods. They take the risks under sentry fire. they take the sec hit, they cant go into high sec. -They are the true pirates.
NateX THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.28 21:40:00 - [73] Piracy is a robbery committed at sea, or sometimes on the shore, by an agent without a commission from a sovereign nation. Seaborne piracy against transport vessels remains a significant issue (with estimated worldwide losses of US $13[citation needed] to $16 billion per year[1][2], particularly in the waters between the Pacific and Indian Oceans, off the Somali coast, and also in the Strait of Malacca and Singapore, which are used by over 50,000 commercial ships a year. A recent[3] surge in piracy off the Somali coast spurred a multi-national effort led by the United States to patrol the waters near the Horn of Africa to combat piracy. While boats off the coasts of North Africa and the Mediterranean Sea are still assailed by pirates, the Royal Navy and the U.S. Coast Guard have nearly eradicated piracy in U.S. waters and in the Caribbean Sea. Maritime piracy, according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) of 1982, consists of any criminal acts of violence, detention, or depredation committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or aircraft that is directed on the high seas against another ship, aircraft, or against persons or property on board a ship or aircraft. Piracy can also be committed against a ship, aircraft, persons, or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state. The Jolly Roger is the traditional name for the flags of European and American pirates and a symbol for piracy that has been adopted by film-makers and toy manufacturers. R0ADKILL-killboard \|
tek tek Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.28 22:18:00 - [74] Originally by: Woods Reynolds Originally by: tek tek Edited by: tek tek on 28/12/2007 20:55:23 Originally by: Woods Reynolds Pirates are -10 Pvp'ers are -1.9 and above. So where did you get those numbers? On the back of cereal box? Dude I was flying around @ -6 or -7 for a long time and by no means am I a "pirate". I do a little pirating, spree killing, fleet battles and so on and so on. So I just pew pew. And plus if you were a succesful pirate and were getting the ransoms you were asking for you would think it would be a lot harder to get to -10. You get a penalty for agresion but if you are honoring your ransoms it should be damn hard to get there if you are not popping ships and pods. They take the risks under sentry fire. they take the sec hit, they cant go into high sec. -They are the true pirates. Your new huh? Read my post again. I carried a -6 or -7. I got that sec rating because I suicide ganked some miners in high sec for fun. Then I gated camped for a bit just for the hell of it. The went belt pirating. Could not enter high sec and I took risks under gate guns. But that does not make me a true pirate. I just like to kill. profit is a bonus. period. Lead follow or get the hell out of the way!
Esk Esme Caldari High4Life	Posted - 2007.12.28 22:28:00 - [75] personaly i think a true pie is some1 who live's lo-sec the border line between lawfull empire and lawlass 0.0 u have the opatunist liek my self mainly 0.0 pvper's but will randsom NUET'S and will go on R+R op's to lo-sec but allways under alliance coulour's and nsbi if it red its got to die no matter if it nuet the choice your's so id reckon a true pirate is some1 who live's the pierate life and not just from time to time but its all pvp even if your target doesnt want to fight just difrent style's tactics yea my english sux sue me Cry Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!.
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2007.12.29 01:28:00 - [76] Originally by: Esk Esme personaly i think a true pie is some1 who live's lo-sec the border line between lawfull empire and lawlass 0.0 u have the opatunist liek my self mainly 0.0 pvper's but will randsom NUET'S and will go on R+R op's to lo-sec but allways under alliance coulour's and nsbi if it red its got to die no matter if it nuet the choice your's so id reckon a true pirate is some1 who live's the pierate life and not just from time to time but its all pvp even if your target doesnt want to fight just difrent style's tactics yea my english sux sue me Cry Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!. qft. tek tek, imho your a pirate - you killed for profit and you paid the price. Woods is correct in my definetion of a pirate. Sec hit is a very nasty and clearly effective detertant to most. Those that like there cheap prices, there high sec wars where no caps get jumped on them etc etc wont want to live the life as we do. Your a pirate anyone with a -5 sec status is a pirate. The ultimate price, an outcast.
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.29 04:18:00 - [77] Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Arekhon why is this thread still going..... piracy, like politics is obviously one of those things you should not talk about with strangers... And yet you, as we, do. doh....you got me, touche Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]

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