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Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:39:00 - [31] Edited by: Hannobaal on 17/12/2007 01:40:19 Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Xaen I have a better idea. Instead of attempting to tell all the players, "Don't go to jita." CCP should FIX jita. Players created Jita as a market hub, and no matter what CCP does it's only the players that can fix it. This argument is so tired, and so wrong. Market hubs are inevitable formations given sufficient populations. CCP should have anticipated something like this. And if not anticipated, it's been around long enough for them to realize it's not going away. It's pretty much interbus or broken at this point. See the Jita link in my sig. I'm tired of spelling this out to thickies that try to blame Jita on the players. The vast, vast majority of people who go to Jita can (as it is right now in Eve) do anything that they do in Jita just as effectively in some other system - like Rens, Oursullaert, Dodixie, Amarr, Hek, whatever... Yet they choose not to because they're lemmings. There is nothing CCP can do about it. You have someone that can do what he needs to do (say buy a ship and fit it) and he can do this just as well in Rens as in Jita (you can, really). The only real difference is greater lag in Jita. Yet very many of people in this situation seem to decide to go do it in Jita instead. What could CCP possibly do about that? Unless you're a major industrialist or trader, there is absolutely no reason (none) to ever go to Jita at all. There really isn't.
DaHarMasterKor Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Hannobaal The vast, vast majority of people who go to Jita can (as it is right now in Eve) do anything that they do in Jita just as effectively in some other system - like Rens, Oursullaert, Dodixie, Amarr, Hek, whatever... Yet they choose not to because they're lemmings. There is nothing CCP can do about it. I shopped at those other trade hubs and there have been multiple instances where I could not find something I wanted to buy and had to make several jumps to another system to go get it. In Jita you dock to one station and you got everything, and I mean everything - all kinds of tech II, named, and faction mods and ships. So no, the other trade hubs are not as convenient and I value my time and don't like spending it on hopping around for my purchases. But I have long ago figured out that I shouldn't go to Jita over the weekend. I suppose a lot of other players haven't. Besides if you have ever spent any time in Jita you'd know that lag there does not always correspond to amount of people in system. There is the before downtime lag for example, when numbers of people in Jita are in 300s but it still lags like hell.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:05:00 - [33] Originally by: DaHarMasterKor Originally by: Hannobaal The vast, vast majority of people who go to Jita can (as it is right now in Eve) do anything that they do in Jita just as effectively in some other system - like Rens, Oursullaert, Dodixie, Amarr, Hek, whatever... Yet they choose not to because they're lemmings. There is nothing CCP can do about it. I shopped at those other trade hubs and there have been multiple instances where I could not find something I wanted to buy and had to make several jumps to another system to go get it. In Jita you dock to one station and you got everything, and I mean everything - all kinds of tech II, named, and faction mods and ships. So no, the other trade hubs are not as convenient and I value my time and don't like spending it on hopping around for my purchases. But I have long ago figured out that I shouldn't go to Jita over the weekend. I suppose a lot of other players haven't. Besides if you have ever spent any time in Jita you'd know that lag there does not always correspond to amount of people in system. There is the before downtime lag for example, when numbers of people in Jita are in 300s but it still lags like hell. I've spent a lot of time in Jita, and also in places like Rens and Dodixie. Jita actually doesn't lag that badly for me (compared to what people who complain on here claim it does for them), and I'm usually able to log in even when hordes of people on the forum are whining about not getting in. But the reason I'm there is because it's a lot easier for my industrial alt to make money there than anywhere else. Yes, you might have to go from station to station now and then if you're in Rens, and if you're in a place like Dodixie you probably have to go to one of the neighboring systems. But you're definitely able to do anything you may want to do in Jita in at least Rens. Most things are about the same price or only slightly more expensive. A lot of stuff is actually cheaper. Jita is not a must. At best it's a bit more convenient and that's only if you have less of a lag problem there than most (like me).
Orther Whyte Paradox Dreams	Posted - 2007.12.17 03:37:00 - [34] Going to Jita is like Going to WalMart at Christmas... You know its busy you know It's fustrating but If I really wanted to go to Sears or other Department stores I would but they don't always carry want I want. I go to WalMArt casue I know that despite taking 4 times a long getting in and out I won't be fustrated driving 20 minutes between 4 other stores looking for soemthing I know will be in the one Place I can be assured it will be. telling a person to not go somewhere is pointless peple are not lemmings they'll go were ever they choose to go. Jita is the curretn Black hole of EVE, but if it wasn't for so many ALTS parked in jita spamming sales in Jita it would not be that bad.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.17 03:41:00 - [35] If you go to Jita there will be cake. - DesuSigs
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.17 04:00:00 - [36] Originally by: Crumplecorn If you go to Jita there will be cake. The cake is a lie. However, Jita has everything else. That's why people go there. Telling people "don't go to Jita" is like urinating on a forest fire. CCP has acknowledged that jita and other high population systems are a problem. They also at least suspect that something like Interbus could remedy it. But so far, they're unwilling to sacrifice even a tiny portion of the logistics mechanics for the sake of overpopulated systems. Whether or not they stick with that decision indefinitely is unknown. If you want to help, try to come up with a solution that doesn't completely break game mechanics, and scales well. "Don't go to jita" is neither a solution nor helpful to anyone. I put forth a few ideas, but I encourage others to help. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Sharkk	Posted - 2007.12.17 04:39:00 - [37] I don't go to Jita .....ever there is nothing there that cant be bought off the market else where maybe for a few extra isk's ..and i say its worth it... nothing quite like coming through the perimeter gate into 50-60 concord police commanders or warping to j4-m4 and taking 10 mins to doc the only thing that is exclusive to Jita is lag shop else ware and save your self the hassle or i dunno..make your war targets actually look for you rather tan just camping the j4 m4 station!
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 09:30:00 - [38] Edited by: Hannobaal on 17/12/2007 09:34:26 Originally by: Xaen However, Jita has everything else. So do many places in Eve. Originally by: Xaen "Don't go to jita" is neither a solution nor helpful to anyone. Why do something that you have little to no reason to be doing to begin and then whine about the consequences when you do it?
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.12.17 09:35:00 - [39] I support the Republic, so I do all my trading in Rens. Shop Smart. Shop RenSMart!!
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.17 15:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Hannobaal So do many places in Eve. 999 times out of 1000 the contract for an expensive or rare item is up in Jita. And only Jita. Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Xaen "Don't go to jita" is neither a solution nor helpful to anyone. Why do something that you have little to no reason to be doing to begin and then whine about the consequences when you do it? I didn't realize that being able to reliably buy and sell every item in the game was "little" reason. Your definition of "little reason" must be a lot different than mine. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.12.17 15:28:00 - [41] It is amazing that people always give all these "OMG CCP JITA" responses when they know very little about how it actually works. ASIDE from the single node for Jita and ASIDE from the massive server upgrade coming, what exactly is it that you suggest gets done? And one that is not a hard cap, or a workaround. Technology is finite, and CCP can't just go and get giant Jovian servers that could handle the entire population of the world in Jita. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.17 15:44:00 - [42] Originally by: An Anarchyyt It is amazing that people always give all these "OMG CCP JITA" responses when they know very little about how it actually works. ASIDE from the single node for Jita and ASIDE from the massive server upgrade coming, what exactly is it that you suggest gets done? And one that is not a hard cap, or a workaround. Technology is finite, and CCP can't just go and get giant Jovian servers that could handle the entire population of the world in Jita. I have a conceptual idea of how it works, I am a programmer after all... Interbus or some other game mechanic change that makes jita moot is what is needed. I've never advocated throwing more hardware resources at it. That's only ever temporary a workaround. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.17 16:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Blind Man its too bad WoW doesnt have a Jita.. "guys I cant raid tonight, I logged off in the if auction house and I cant login!!!" You've never been to Ironforge on some servers, haven't you?
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.17 17:06:00 - [44] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Blind Man its too bad WoW doesnt have a Jita.. "guys I cant raid tonight, I logged off in the if auction house and I cant login!!!" You've never been to Ironforge on some servers, haven't you? Before they linked the auction houses it was a problem. It (linking) fixed it. I don't play wow anymore but a lot of my friends do and I haven't seen them experience or complain about any difficulties. Interbus is to EVE what linked auction houses is to WoW. The only reason they haven't already done it is it affects the game play mechanics for logistics. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.12.17 17:25:00 - [45] ___________________________
Agguire	Posted - 2007.12.17 17:37:00 - [46] Jita is like any other big city. A pain to get around and very slow traffic. Let say CCP 'fixed' Jita and all 30k players could use Jita at the same time. How fun would the game be if that happened? I support anything to keep people out of Jita and make them use the other systems instead. Changing routes, taxes, Lag, shutting it down when it is over populated all sound good to me.
Ed Anger Weekly World News Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.12.17 17:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Blind Man its too bad WoW doesnt have a Jita.. "guys I cant raid tonight, I logged off in the if auction house and I cant login!!!" You've never been to Ironforge on some servers, haven't you? Before they linked the auction houses it was a problem. It (linking) fixed it. I don't play wow anymore but a lot of my friends do and I haven't seen them experience or complain about any difficulties. Interbus is to EVE what linked auction houses is to WoW. The only reason they haven't already done it is it affects the game play mechanics for logistics. interbus should deliver one system out only. so you could sit one system out and make trades, if you are further away you have to get stuff couriered as now. problem solved. fix it already so we dont have to see anymore damn jita posts.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 17:51:00 - [48] Originally by: Xaen I didn't realize that being able to reliably buy and sell every item in the game was "little" reason. Your definition of "little reason" must be a lot different than mine. Unless you are a major industrialist/trader there can't possibly be anything you may want to buy or sell that you couldn't buy or sell just as well in at least a dozen other places in Eve.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.12.17 18:02:00 - [49] Originally by: Xaen 999 times out of 1000 the contract for an expensive or rare item is up in Jita. And only Jita. So then do something about it? Originally by: Xaen "Don't go to jita" is neither a solution nor helpful to anyone. So lets hear YOUR plan to divert people's attention away from jita, jackass? Other than the lame "make it low sec, or get rid of jita altogether". Neither of those above mentioned "solutions" would work, as there will just be another system made into the massive hub that jita is. The only solution to changing jita is for the players to stop putting stuff on the market there and start establishing several SMALL hubs as opposed to ONE large hub. Find a way to do that, and you will have achieved something CCP cant fix by themselves.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.17 18:32:00 - [50] Originally by: Ed Anger interbus should deliver one system out only. so you could sit one system out and make trades, if you are further away you have to get stuff couriered as now. problem solved. fix it already so we dont have to see anymore damn jita posts. Agreed. That's pretty much how I outlined it in previous posts. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Dukkai Gallente Industrial Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.17 19:03:00 - [51] Edited by: Dukkai on 17/12/2007 19:04:16 well, IMO, they should implement sth like system sec rating decrease every time the number in local rises by 100... and should do it on all systems... it would even make sense, sth like Concord can no longer guarantee safety because of too many pilots and pirates in system... once jita hits low sec status, or even 0.0, it would be fun... :) and people will no longer visit overpopulated systems since they could get popped if the system sec rating goes down crashing... kind of a crowd control, partially by CCP, partially by players...
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:46:00 - [52] Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: Xaen 999 times out of 1000 the contract for an expensive or rare item is up in Jita. And only Jita. So then do something about it? Ok, give me a few trillion ISK to buy up everything have a few logistics corporations move it all about to various systems. Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: Xaen "Don't go to jita" is neither a solution nor helpful to anyone. So lets hear YOUR plan to divert people's attention away from jita, jackass? Why would I want to divert people's attention? That doesn't fix anything. Originally by: Khanid Kutie Other than the lame "make it low sec, or get rid of jita altogether". I've never suggested anything of the kind. Maybe if you weren't all gung ho to flame you'd realize I have just such a suggestion linked in my sig. Originally by: Khanid Kutie Neither of those above mentioned "solutions" would work, as there will just be another system made into the massive hub that jita is. The only solution to changing jita is for the players to stop putting stuff on the market there and start establishing several SMALL hubs as opposed to ONE large hub. That will never happen. Have you read ANY of the posts on the subject? Oh wait, of course not, you're just a troll. Here, I'll explain it again, just for you, in one easy to digest sentence: Market hubs are a consequence of large numbers of strangers wishing to do business; you will never change that. Originally by: Khanid Kutie Find a way to do that, and you will have achieved something CCP cant fix by themselves. Yeah, I'll just change the behavior of a quarter of a million people. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:46:00 - [53] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Xaen I didn't realize that being able to reliably buy and sell every item in the game was "little" reason. Your definition of "little reason" must be a lot different than mine. Unless you are a major industrialist/trader there can't possibly be anything you may want to buy or sell that you couldn't buy or sell just as well in at least a dozen other places in Eve. Snake implants. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Snowcrash Winterheart2 Gallente Concordia Discors	Posted - 2007.12.17 21:06:00 - [54] Jita would be easy to fix, systems exist in the world that are already capable of handling the load. Of course it involves the words "batch" and "processing" which would kinda spoil things; unless you don't mind waiting 24hrs to know if you hit something ----- Four paws... four sets of claws.

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