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Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:40:00 - [1] - Simple as that really... I've got nothing against NPC corps but I think that we should be able to choose to attack them. I know the omgwtf factor for new players may put some off the game, but it also allows a lot to get an early taste of 'fleet' PVP since there are plenty of members I'm sure who'd happily fight with one of the more experienced NPC folk commanding them. If the carnage gets too excessive perhaps have heavy NPC security forces stationed in 0.7 and above, like a slightly weaker CONCORD... I also think it'd be an awesome solution to Macro-ISK-farmer haulers we're seeing all over New Eden. Realistically it shouldn't be financially sound (T1 loot anyone?) for a corp to wardec an NPC corp, but it should be an option IMHO as it allows players to police other players. I'm sure there'd be a fair amount of greifers, but it'd also spawn opportunities for more PRO new player corps like Eve University to flourish and aid these newer PVPers. Your thoughts? - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:42:00 - [2] NPC corps exist so people can hide from PvP. You may as well ask for high-sec to be 100% safe. It's basically the same request in the opposite direction. - DesuSigs
lovin deathmetal	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:44:00 - [3] lol, go declare war on a real corp, its so much more satisfying, plus, it'll prove your not some tard only looking to kill noob players to boast your own week ego
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:45:00 - [4] High Sec isn't 100% safe?!?! And I think anyone who wants to hide from PVP can still do so effectively by being in a 1-man corp. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Darkstarr DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:46:00 - [5] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss - Simple as that really... ........... crapola .......... Not even worth my explanation .... You fail ---FAST FACT--- Exxon Mobil, the U.S.'s largest oil firm, reported annual earnings last year of $36.1 Billion, or $1146 a second, a record for any U.S. corp.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:50:00 - [6] Originally by: lovin deathmetal lol, go declare war on a real corp, its so much more satisfying, plus, it'll prove your not some tard only looking to kill noob players to boast your own week ego Thanks for that. It's not about ego. My ego is fairly humongous already. There's no room to grow it having declared war as a solo PVPer sucessfully (9 kills to 0) against an 80 man 'LEG1ON' Alliance. Fought wars vs (now) accomplished mercs REPO Industries, and several others, aswell as living and being a very active PVPer helping CVA's fleets expand their Amarrian influence. But thanks for your comments! - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
DaHarMasterKor Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:51:00 - [7] Because not everyone plays this game to get into player vs player combat. Some people like EVE's market, science, production, and mining aspects and they should not be forced to play the way they don't like playing. If you force them, they'll leave the game and CCP loses in subscriptions. As for macros there are plenty of other ways to fight against them that don't require war decs. When I started playing a lot of them were mining in empire. Now many of them have moved to low sec and 0.0 space where war decs are useless.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:51:00 - [8] Originally by: Darkstarr Originally by: Vyktor Abyss - Simple as that really... ........... crapola .......... Not even worth my explanation .... You fail Another reason to love the Goons - thanks for that intelligent discussion. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:52:00 - [9] Originally by: DaHarMasterKor Because not everyone plays this game to get into player vs player combat. Some people like EVE's market, science, production, and mining aspects and they should not be forced to play the way they don't like playing. If you force them, they'll leave the game and CCP loses in subscriptions. As for macros there are plenty of other ways to fight against them that don't require war decs. When I started playing a lot of them were mining in empire. Now many of them have moved to low sec and 0.0 space where war decs are useless. Avoiding PVP is easy enough for everyone. Start a 1 man corp and see how many wardecs you get. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Syraine	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:53:00 - [10] I think its a terrible idea. Some noobs have a hard enough time learning how to play the game without a corp full of greifers trying to blow them up for fun and sport. It's nice to say there are benefits for it, but there really are not. If NPC corp members want "a taste of real PvP" then they can venture into 0.4 space. Let the noobs and those not interested in all out PvP be -relatively- safe in high sec.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Originally by: lovin deathmetal lol, go declare war on a real corp, its so much more satisfying, plus, it'll prove your not some tard only looking to kill noob players to boast your own week ego Thanks for that. It's not about ego. My ego is fairly humongous already. There's no room to grow it having declared war as a solo PVPer sucessfully (9 kills to 0) against an 80 man 'LEG1ON' Alliance. Fought wars vs (now) accomplished mercs REPO Industries, and several others, aswell as living and being a very active PVPer helping CVA's fleets expand their Amarrian influence. But thanks for your comments! ready for the RP reason? the ammar fleet sends 4 titans to eacg of your poses with 14 dreads. also instead of conchord which in place to protect peace with the empires, you have to deal with a spawn 8 times greater because you just declared war on the mility school of the cadari republic. good jorb. so tyhe answer is, maybe with factional warfare... ******* EON said that would be out with trinity... or right after... maybe CCP will sur[prize us? not with the current issues :( with the current issues factional warfare won't hapen for a long time... oh and by the way, factional warfare is apparently only going to be low/lower sec only, so it will be the same anyways, not everyone wants PvP. Official fanboy of jenny< pink supporter! looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi
Dynamite Dan	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Darkstarr Originally by: Vyktor Abyss - Simple as that really... ........... crapola .......... s t u f f .... You fail If you'd pay attention you would see that Macro'ers don't bother hiding in NPC Corps these days. Many are part of deep 0.0 Alliances and pay others in the alliance to protect the Macro opperations.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 01:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Syraine I think its a terrible idea. Some noobs have a hard enough time learning how to play the game without a corp full of greifers trying to blow them up for fun and sport. It's nice to say there are benefits for it, but there really are not. If NPC corp members want "a taste of real PvP" then they can venture into 0.4 space. Let the noobs and those not interested in all out PvP be -relatively- safe in high sec. True enough I suppose. My angle personally is I'd like to help out these 'genuine' NPC newer players against the 'greifers'. But I guess you're right - they have a hard enough time learning to do the basic things. best comment so far - tx. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
DaHarMasterKor Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Originally by: DaHarMasterKor Because not everyone plays this game to get into player vs player combat. Some people like EVE's market, science, production, and mining aspects and they should not be forced to play the way they don't like playing. If you force them, they'll leave the game and CCP loses in subscriptions. As for macros there are plenty of other ways to fight against them that don't require war decs. When I started playing a lot of them were mining in empire. Now many of them have moved to low sec and 0.0 space where war decs are useless. Avoiding PVP is easy enough for everyone. Start a 1 man corp and see how many wardecs you get. If someone is bent on fighting you this means you'd have no escape. Right now you can retreat to NPC corps. If the game goes as you propose this means you'll be able to war dec players indefinitely - just war dec any 1-man corp they form. Besides corporations are about talking to other people and playing together. When I was a noob I got a lot of help from the vets in my NPC corp, more than from the rookie channel. If you place all people in 1-man corps not only would you be able to harass players indefinitely with war decs until they quit, but also for new and casual players you're gonna ruin their gaming experience.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:05:00 - [15] Originally by: MotherMoon ready for the RP reason? so tyhe answer is, maybe with factional warfare... ******* EON said that would be out with trinity... or right after... maybe CCP will sur[prize us? not with the current issues :( with the current issues factional warfare won't hapen for a long time... oh and by the way, factional warfare is apparently only going to be low/lower sec only, so it will be the same anyways, not everyone wants PvP. Yeah factional warfare has a LOT of these sorts of possibilities I suppose to bridge the gap between PVPers and non-PVPers, but like you eloquently put - who knows when that will arrive. I'd personally love to be able to attack ANY NPC corp rather than have to face a faction... I mean that Caldari Gaming Commission's fleet have got it coming! :p Cheers for your comment and the bit on our POS's - can't wait for those Titan's to show up, I'm pro-amarrian by helping CVA after all! - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Bubble Hash	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Syraine I think its a terrible idea. Some noobs have a hard enough time learning how to play the game without a corp full of greifers trying to blow them up for fun and sport. Quote: QFT Not to mention there are many others in the same shoes I wear. My dial-up connection is so poor I cannot PvP most of the time. This doesn't mean I cannot PvE and enjoy the other fantastic parts of Eve-O. NPC Corps allow me to enjoy the game without the lag unwanted PvP encounters cause.
Ed Anger Weekly World News Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss - Simple as that really... I've got nothing against NPC corps but I think that we should be able to choose to attack them. I know the omgwtf factor for new players may put some off the game, but it also allows a lot to get an early taste of 'fleet' PVP since there are plenty of members I'm sure who'd happily fight with one of the more experienced NPC folk commanding them. If the carnage gets too excessive perhaps have heavy NPC security forces stationed in 0.7 and above, like a slightly weaker CONCORD... I also think it'd be an awesome solution to Macro-ISK-farmer haulers we're seeing all over New Eden. Realistically it shouldn't be financially sound (T1 loot anyone?) for a corp to wardec an NPC corp, but it should be an option IMHO as it allows players to police other players. I'm sure there'd be a fair amount of greifers, but it'd also spawn opportunities for more PRO new player corps like Eve University to flourish and aid these newer PVPers. Your thoughts?
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:13:00 - [18] Originally by: DaHarMasterKor If someone is bent on fighting you this means you'd have no escape. Right now you can retreat to NPC corps. If the game goes as you propose this means you'll be able to war dec players indefinitely - just war dec any 1-man corp they form. Besides corporations are about talking to other people and playing together. When I was a noob I got a lot of help from the vets in my NPC corp, more than from the rookie channel. If you place all people in 1-man corps not only would you be able to harass players indefinitely with war decs until they quit, but also for new and casual players you're gonna ruin their gaming experience. You're spot on with that - PVP is avoidable and greifing 'could' occur with 1000 man alliances continually wardec'ing someone switching 1 man corps indefinately. The thing is that it doesn't make much sense for them to keep doing that unless they have a very valid reason (billions $ ISK corp thief etc...) and eventuly they will be hit with a petition anyway for harrassment. The game experience part is true - it changes it for new players. The NPC corp channels would have to be supported by better new player channels for the social side, but imangine the potential fun and social aspect of joining 80 frigates to strike back at those 'greifers'. Heck - Goonswarm have made the largest alliance in game out of that. Changed? yes.. Changed for the worse? I'm not convinced yet. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Ed Anger This. >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Bubble Hash Edited by: Bubble Hash on 17/12/2007 02:09:27 Originally by: Syraine I think its a terrible idea. Some noobs have a hard enough time learning how to play the game without a corp full of greifers trying to blow them up for fun and sport. QFT Not to mention there are many others in the same shoes I wear. My dial-up connection is so poor I cannot PvP most of the time. This doesn't mean I cannot PvE and enjoy the other fantastic parts of Eve-O. NPC Corps allow me to enjoy the game without the lag unwanted PvP encounters cause. Fair comment. Something I've not considered - Would being crammed into 0.7 to 1.0 as by having an NPC type of CONCORD allowing you to effectively safely run missions as originally suggested ruin the PVE element for you? - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Naomi Venture	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:20:00 - [21] Edited by: Naomi Venture on 17/12/2007 02:23:10 Originally by: DaHarMasterKor If someone is bent on fighting you this means you'd have no escape. Right now you can retreat to NPC corps. If the game goes as you propose this means you'll be able to war dec players indefinitely - just war dec any 1-man corp they form. Besides corporations are about talking to other people and playing together. When I was a noob I got a lot of help from the vets in my NPC corp, more than from the rookie channel. If you place all people in 1-man corps not only would you be able to harass players indefinitely with war decs until they quit, but also for new and casual players you're gonna ruin their gaming experience. That.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:29:00 - [22] Hehe - I'm sensing this is a good time to backtrack and withdraw on this idea thanks to zero support for the idea. Well, if you don't use 'General discussion' for general discussion (I hope there's a FC with that name) then you're really not getting your moneys worth... lol Cheers for the feedback. I'll accept this is a bad idea. Hehe... - I'll add the caviat: At this present time!! - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:31:00 - [23] Well, if you can wardec npc corps, then I suggest something like, if you wardec the Federal Naval Academy, the full weight of the Federal Navy is brought against you. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Freya Runestone Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:34:00 - [24] there are people who want nothing else than to ruin other peoples fun. those people will quickly set up camp outside a popular noob station and shoot at anything that exits. It would cost CCP tons of money because the new people would not play past the first 2 hours. So i doubt it'll ever happen, simply because it will lose a ton of money on it.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Originally by: MotherMoon ready for the RP reason? so tyhe answer is, maybe with factional warfare... ******* EON said that would be out with trinity... or right after... maybe CCP will sur[prize us? not with the current issues :( with the current issues factional warfare won't hapen for a long time... oh and by the way, factional warfare is apparently only going to be low/lower sec only, so it will be the same anyways, not everyone wants PvP. Yeah factional warfare has a LOT of these sorts of possibilities I suppose to bridge the gap between PVPers and non-PVPers, but like you eloquently put - who knows when that will arrive. I'd personally love to be able to attack ANY NPC corp rather than have to face a faction... I mean that Caldari Gaming Commission's fleet have got it coming! :p Cheers for your comment and the bit on our POS's - can't wait for those Titan's to show up, I'm pro-amarrian by helping CVA after all! no worries just fit em resistance on your POS :P titans suck Official fanboy of jenny< pink supporter! looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:44:00 - [26] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 17/12/2007 02:45:15 Originally by: Crumplecorn NPC corps exist so people can hide from PvP. You may as well ask for high-sec to be 100% safe. It's basically the same request in the opposite direction. QFT without reading any other post in this thread.. Without carebear NPC industrial corps and mission runners with the odd 0.0 ratter you would find the T2 and Faction mod/ammo market to be intolerably exspensive.. Does it really need to be spelled out any clearer? Gallente the New Pink« Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Taedrin Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.17 02:58:00 - [27] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss I know the omgwtf factor for new players may put some off the game You just answered your own question. CCP may love the cutthroat environment of EVE, but one thing that they do NOT tolerate is griefing new players (in starting systems). New players NEED a safe environment where they can get a handle on the game. Allowing players to wardec NPC corps would effectively allow anyone to grief newbies without repercussions. If this were in place when any of us had started EVE, I'm pretty certain that none of us would still be here.
Princess Xenia	Posted - 2007.12.17 03:13:00 - [28] Sure.. y not??? War dec a npc corp = war dec the alliance to which it belongs = war dec the empire = sentry turrets firing at u in the empire.... Sure... no protection outside empire's domain though...
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2007.12.17 04:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Princess Xenia Sure.. y not??? War dec a npc corp = war dec the alliance to which it belongs = war dec the empire = sentry turrets firing at u in the empire.... Sure... no protection outside empire's domain though... Yeah this post sums it up nicely and to expand on this to be able to attack an npc corp would make the space controlled by that empire almost assuredly 100% safe as all stations would attack any incoming aggressing group and most stargates guarded by faction ships would be a 23/7 gate camp waiting.
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Union Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.17 06:07:00 - [30] I just want to war-dec Concord.... the bastages. -- Talking in Circles is more dizzying than walking in them... Tralala

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