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Blitz'Krieg Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:16:00 - [1] I have to lol at these "BoB is already dead" posts that are around, especially from the people who have been on the end of "there are no goons" but its looking kinda inevitable that BoB may be forced into the npc station and possibly empire. Regardless of wether you think thats true or not ... what would you do in their situation? What interests me is if it would be in BoB's interest to stand and fight. Why not quitly withdraw, they dont need 0.0 to make a very good living and with their four (five?) titan's could effectivelly be anywhere in eve inside of an hour with a huge capital fleet so why stick to one region? The only way BoB (or goons for that matter) could be killed is from within so to me the current climate is only going to make them stronger as a unit rather than break them up. If you really wanted to destroy BoB you would give them a reason to break up. Perhaps offer finfleet amnesty from future action if they pulled out (they did join late in the game)? ATM I think all of the corps in BoB know even if the alliance split up they would be hunted as corps. Add to that the reluctance of none affiliates to hire bobbits for fear of spy's and it makes you harder rather than softer the more you are pushed. Anyways, what I would do personally .. 1) Move most of the alliance assets to empire 2) Leave a harrying force that would inflict maximum damage for minimum losses to make them pay for the space 3) send out a few trusted members to infiltrate future targets, do this as if they were leaving because they dont like bob etc 4) Use guerilla hotdrop's and raids to take out obvious industrial targets of their enemies.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:19:00 - [2] I hear that POTBS is nice for disillusioned angry emo kids whose world is coming down around them...
Zell Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:28:00 - [3] Edited by: Zell on 18/12/2007 13:29:34 Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke I hear that POTBS is nice for disillusioned angry emo kids whose world is coming down around them... Coming from a disillusioned angry emo kid who knows.... A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once..
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:29:00 - [4] You're all jumping to conclusions. You have to shoot the animal before you can eat it. - -
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:30:00 - [5] Originally by: Zell Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke I hear that POTBS is nice for disillusioned angry emo kids whose world is coming down around them... Coming from a for disillusioned angry emo kid who knows.... "I know you are, but what am I?" went out in the 80's along with "Yo momma" jokes.
Sakura San X - Beyond the Frontier	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:33:00 - [6] being an outsider, i still think you don't "get" BOB. i am pretty sure that it is way more than an ingame alliance.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr You're all jumping to conclusions. You have to shoot the animal before you can eat it. Wouldn't you rather be in MC in your Aeon now btw.? :) "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Zell Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Originally by: Zell Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke I hear that POTBS is nice for disillusioned angry emo kids whose world is coming down around them... Coming from a for disillusioned angry emo kid who knows.... "I know you are, but what am I?" went out in the 80's along with "Yo momma" jokes. Im just saying... A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once..
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:37:00 - [9] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr You're all jumping to conclusions. You have to shoot the animal before you can eat it. Wouldn't you rather be in MC in your Aeon now btw.? :) Both are target rich environments with plenty of opportunity to lose carriers like an emo lemming. - -
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:37:00 - [10] Over the past year or so i've come to the conclusion that both bob and goons are the same person who is sitting in a scyscraper somewhere giggling like a little girl with alot of pc screens staring at him and a 5000$/month bill from CCP. 'For the lulz' Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.

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Cvuos GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:06:00 - [13] 1. No major alliance has survived losing all their space and remaining in their past form. 2. There is no such thing as a supercap fleet based out of NPC stations and empire. 3. Dying takes time. There is no dramatic final blow. There is a push to a brink, then it crumbles from the inside with absent directors, smaller fleets, quiet desertion, internal drama and the usual excuses of "didn't want that 0.0 anyway", "pos wars are boring", "now we are truly free". LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore. This isn't true for all of BoB but for lots of it, particularly the recent individual joiners who consider(ed) it the end-game. The time from the beginning of the LV campaign to the end of organized resistance wasn't very long, but it took more than twice that time before it was really over.
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr You're all jumping to conclusions. You have to shoot the animal before you can eat it. You have to drown a cow before it can float! snip Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem
Blitz'Krieg Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Cvuos 1. No major alliance has survived losing all their space and remaining in their past form. 2. There is no such thing as a supercap fleet based out of NPC stations and empire. 3. Dying takes time. There is no dramatic final blow. There is a push to a brink, then it crumbles from the inside with absent directors, smaller fleets, quiet desertion, internal drama and the usual excuses of "didn't want that 0.0 anyway", "pos wars are boring", "now we are truly free". LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore. This isn't true for all of BoB but for lots of it, particularly the recent individual joiners who consider(ed) it the end-game. The time from the beginning of the LV campaign to the end of organized resistance wasn't very long, but it took more than twice that time before it was really over. goons lost all their space, their ships and the pos' and came back twice as strong. the thing that kept the goons together was something awful, the thing that will keep bob together will be that noone else dare take them. that is the point.
sheis	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:20:00 - [16] BoB wont die it will just wither away to nothing. The accounts of the main bobins will be sold or let to rot as their owners purchase accounts that wont get them hunted down.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Blitz'Krieg the thing that will keep bob together will be that noone else dare take them. that is the point. I think you overestimate the common sense of the average corp. Most will see "capital pilot" on the app and their eyes glaze over. Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction."
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Sakura San being an outsider, i still think you don't "get" BOB. i am pretty sure that it is way more than an ingame alliance. i saw what you did there.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:38:00 - [19] Edited by: Darcuese on 18/12/2007 14:38:04 Originally by: Cvuos LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore. I been there when Velios came on crossroad with left turn for PvP life or right turn for picking up flowers in his guarden. He didnt take left turn. Thats the difference between many others and BoB. And after all this time ppl dont get it still. Anybody esle, ANYBODY else that would be in our shoes would already see many members not loging on, or leaving corps and alliances. Maybe one day, after many glasses of milk, you might realize what benefit some, and others not me, myself and I ------>
Brunn Leinbach Owl Trading	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:39:00 - [20] Well I haven't seen dramatic movement on the sovereignty's map compared to the dramatic events on this forum section of the past couple of days. What is becoming apparent is that BOB has become the pariah of the eve community, a tittle that GS has claimed for a while
fell1234 Heracles.	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:40:00 - [21] Edited by: fell1234 on 18/12/2007 14:40:49 Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 18/12/2007 14:38:04 Originally by: Cvuos LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore. I been there when Velios came on crossroad with left turn for PvP life or right turn for picking up flowers in his guarden. He didnt take left turn. Thats the difference between many others and BoB. And after all this time ppl dont get it still. Anybody esle, ANYBODY else that would be in our shoes would already see many members not loging on, or leaving corps and alliances. Maybe one day, after many glasses of milk, you might realize what benefit some, and others not Wait RISE/MPIRE/D-L/MC dont count or something?
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:42:00 - [22] Tradition dictates, that the exit strategy should be - "exit stage left" Last time i tried to leave ATUK, i was flying in a circle for a week before i had to give it up as a bad plan :o( _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:48:00 - [23] Originally by: fell1234 Edited by: fell1234 on 18/12/2007 14:40:49 Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 18/12/2007 14:38:04 Originally by: Cvuos LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore. I been there when Velios came on crossroad with left turn for PvP life or right turn for picking up flowers in his guarden. He didnt take left turn. Thats the difference between many others and BoB. And after all this time ppl dont get it still. Anybody esle, ANYBODY else that would be in our shoes would already see many members not loging on, or leaving corps and alliances. Maybe one day, after many glasses of milk, you might realize what benefit some, and others not Wait RISE/MPIRE/D-L/MC dont count or something? I think using a profile of a man who was part of few (as 2) that created LV, would be enough to explain some differences me, myself and I ------>
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr You're all jumping to conclusions. You have to shoot the animal before you can eat it. You have to drown a cow before it can float! We shouldn't try to get old cows out of the gutter. - -
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Blitz'Krieg 1) Move most of the alliance assets to empire only bits and bytes
Muro Deez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Princess Hopy What most of the people here dont get is that even if BoB is pushed out from their current territory it still took a very large force to do so. BoB is still, even after this, capable of taking any alliance in the game 1vs1 and claiming their space very quickly. Then the only thing that can be done to stop this is to bring the same huge blob of alliances to attack them again.. I dont know, but to me that sounds like alot of work and not particularily fun. What i'd like to see would be BoB utilizing their superiour capital fleet and basing from npc space striking strategic targets, destroying them and leaving them in ruins before moving to a new target again. without having to hold space they will be liberated and free because they don't need space, they just need each other
Psorion The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:34:00 - [27] ^ nice post /me [gets popcorn]
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Shayleigh Snowflower Besides, BOB have they're money making alts in corps like RISE and D-L, that again pay rent to they're alts. In the last months they did bloat the numbers in the main alliance to show strength, but still, they don't have all that much left in they're stations in Delve. Yes. What year of the xirt academy of intell are you from? snip Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem
Yussef Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:35:00 - [29] Originally by: Princess Hopy What most of the people here dont get is that even if BoB is pushed out from their current territory it still took a very large force to do so. Bob can't be beaten, they can only beat themselves!
Hector Dirtfarmer Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:37:00 - [30] Spam removed. Please stay on topic - Valorem
fishblades GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:40:00 - [31] Originally by: Taua Roqa I base all this on the fact their HQ is called the alamo, and I feel that underpins everything, it was named the alamo for a reason, I assume :P? bob is like spagetti and goons are the sauce, furthermore in WW2 when the martians invaded germa
Perianwyr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:40:00 - [32] I don't even know what you are trying to say here
von Goethe Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:45:00 - [33] What exactly is a force that could take maximum damage for minimum losses? Isn't that what ckfaing is for?
LASER WATCHER GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:45:00 - [34] the perfect strategy would be to reestablish trust with mc because they are lifelong brosefs first bob is to hand one region over to mc for a trial period (time is not a matter, friendship is) then after that is over, mc will start to reintegrate with bob each holding half the space that the two consolidated would own, mishmashing and meshwiring their territories. yes this is perfect for integration again _____
Yussef Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:49:00 - [35] Originally by: LASER WATCHER the perfect strategy would be to reestablish trust with mc because they are lifelong brosefs first bob is to hand one region over to mc for a trial period (time is not a matter, friendship is) then after that is over, mc will start to reintegrate with bob each holding half the space that the two consolidated would own, mishmashing and meshwiring their territories. yes this is perfect for integration again I think it's way too late for this.
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:50:00 - [36] There is no exit strategy, they either lose their stations or they don't.
Cadence Redwood Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:50:00 - [37] The first step is for individual BOB corporation to stop showing alliance tags in CAOD, and try to distance themselves from BOB as an alliance.
von Goethe Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:50:00 - [38] Your plan is awful because MC NEUTRAL!
Hector Dirtfarmer Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:51:00 - [39] One word: Syndicate.
Yussef Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:52:00 - [40] The key thing to remember here is that as long as BoB holds their heads up high we can not defeat them. Sure we might have their space be we won't have their dignity.
Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:54:00 - [41] Originally by: Muro Deez without having to hold space they will be liberated and free because they don't need space, they just need each other rofl
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:54:00 - [42] There's always the Drone reg...er, I mean, the WoW regions. I mean, BoB could take Pure...right?
Hector Dirtfarmer Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:54:00 - [43] Originally by: Yussef The key thing to remember here is that as long as BoB holds their heads up high we can not defeat them. Sure we might have their space be we won't have their dignity. Honor. Respect. Honour!
Pat McCrotch	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:56:00 - [44] The best exit strategy is "Alt + F4" amirite?
Simariliia Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:56:00 - [45] Im not in bob, nor does I have lots of spies in there:P so I rly doesnt know their situation. However atleast ealier bob used to have their multihundred bill cap/fuel ect replacement hangar in a npc station in low sec inchase of they getting blobbed in 0.0. However a certain bob director stole all the stash in one of em,(even I think he gave it back for 200bill or so). So the only assets prob left in 0.0 are bob members personaly assets, fuel, replacement towers and such thingys. Also I doubt bob gonna die unless they squabbling with each other. I also doubt they gonna lose their space very soon, as long as they have the moral up. However, I think certain members gonna start to prefer not using their most expesive assets, and planning a long therm goal to get the mothership/titan/officer fitted <insert ship here> out of there. as they might think its alrdy a dieing chase, they are gonna lose their ship for. so even they are loyal to bob, they are trying to look to have it as best as possible in whatever future it is for em, after Delve ect. ¿ -------Made in Thailand---- -------Living in Norway----
AztecD GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:56:00 - [46] There is no way out for BoB at this point, their only exit would be to hunker down and fight to the bitter end, no other option has "honour" in it
Hermosa Diosas The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:01:00 - [47] can we just get on with the fighting once and for all, because to be honest all this speculation for weeks is getting a bit boring, would like to see some conclusion and draw a line under this so everyone can move on
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:02:00 - [48] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr You're all jumping to conclusions. You have to shoot the animal before you can eat it. You didnt hear the gunshot!!? How sneaky of RAGoons to use a silencer.
mydingaling Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:06:00 - [49] Originally by: Princess Hopy What i'd like to see would be BoB utilizing their superiour capital fleet and basing from npc space striking strategic targets, destroying them and leaving them in ruins before moving to a new target again. BoB alt spotted.. I stood on a*****roach once and the sucker still got away after having its guts crushed out, it was nearly a week later and I see it dragging itself out from under the TV slowly but still alive. It might as well have been dead though rather than spending a week in its death throws only to get crushed again.
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:09:00 - [50] Finnfleet aint gunna be offered no Amnesty. They will be first against the wall. -----------
Zell Shadowcast The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:11:00 - [51] Originally by: mydingaling Originally by: Princess Hopy What i'd like to see would be BoB utilizing their superiour capital fleet and basing from npc space striking strategic targets, destroying them and leaving them in ruins before moving to a new target again. BoB alt spotted.. I stood on a*****roach once and the sucker still got away after having its guts crushed out, it was nearly a week later and I see it dragging itself out from under the TV slowly but still alive. It might as well have been dead though rather than spending a week in its death throws only to get crushed again. We are freeing them from the burden of POS warfare. Truly they shall be the victors becoming a roaming elite PVP force that shall strike at us with nothing to lose.
Marine Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:15:00 - [52] Originally by: Tholarim Originally by: Shayleigh Snowflower Besides, BOB have they're money making alts in corps like RISE and D-L, that again pay rent to they're alts. In the last months they did bloat the numbers in the main alliance to show strength, but still, they don't have all that much left in they're stations in Delve. Yes. What year of the xirt academy of intell are you from? XIRT ACADEMY LEVEL 5
Hector Dirtfarmer Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Zell Shadowcast We are freeing them from the burden of POS warfare. Truly they shall be the victors becoming a roaming elite PVP force that shall strike at us with nothing to lose. This reminds me of another alliance.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:17:00 - [54] So since they'll have no space and no home, will people stop referring to a "roaming BoB gang", since like, all their gangs will be roaming? And, will this make them like the PVP version of ISS, a pewpew caravan visiting people like the carnival coming to town?
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:21:00 - [55] tl;dr. I'd go play PoTBS.
mydingaling Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:04:00 - [56] Maybe we should hand all our space back to BoB so we can be in the powerful position they are...
Zell Shadowcast The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:07:00 - [57] I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space. A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels. We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:08:00 - [58] Originally by: Zell Shadowcast I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space. A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels. We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable. You've got a good point. I'm packing my stuff and heading for empire. Oh wait. I live in empire. I'm packing my stuff and heading for Jita.
Juha85 Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:09:00 - [59] Originally by: Zell Shadowcast I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space. A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels. We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable. You are horrible at trying to be sarcastic. Do you seriously think that if BoB would lose their space they would just disappear? The only thing you really need space for in eve is supercapital production. --------------------------------------- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Dagam GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:10:00 - [60] A wise man once said 'Only when you have no space left can your true power be unleashed.' Think on it for a minute.
Yussef Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:10:00 - [61] Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: Zell Shadowcast I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space. A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels. We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable. You are horrible at trying to be sarcastic. Do you seriously think that if BoB would lose their space they would just disappear? The only thing you really need space for in eve is supercapital production. Yeah they didn't want that space anyways!
Juha85 Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:11:00 - [62] Originally by: Yussef Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: Zell Shadowcast I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space. A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels. We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable. You are horrible at trying to be sarcastic. Do you seriously think that if BoB would lose their space they would just disappear? The only thing you really need space for in eve is supercapital production. Yeah they didn't want that space anyways! It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production. --------------------------------------- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Zell Shadowcast The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:13:00 - [63] Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: Zell Shadowcast I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space. A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels. We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable. You are horrible at trying to be sarcastic. Do you seriously think that if BoB would lose their space they would just disappear? The only thing you really need space for in eve is supercapital production. I was not being sarcastic in any way shape or form dear sir. We all know and have finnally accepted with grim resignation what we have done. For truly 0.0 presence is worthless and holding space matters naught, and once they are freed from the heavy burdensome chains of occupying 0.0 the real slaughter will begin. I refered to a panther stalking its burdened prey before, but the more i think about it, so great is the burden we are releasing from them that it is simply a shark circling its bleeding prey, as the prey grabs a sinking stone. Ever does the prey sink, and the shark circles closer and closer.
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:17:00 - [64] Originally by: Zell Shadowcast Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: Zell Shadowcast I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space. A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels. We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable. You are horrible at trying to be sarcastic. Do you seriously think that if BoB would lose their space they would just disappear? The only thing you really need space for in eve is supercapital production. I was not being sarcastic in any way shape or form dear sir. We all know and have finnally accepted with grim resignation what we have done. For truly 0.0 presence is worthless and holding space matters naught, and once they are freed from the heavy burdensome chains of occupying 0.0 the real slaughter will begin. I refered to a panther stalking its burdened prey before, but the more i think about it, so great is the burden we are releasing from them that it is simply a shark circling its bleeding prey, as the prey grabs a sinking stone. Ever does the prey sink, and the shark circles closer and closer. This post makes alot of sense, everyone should read it and take it to heart.
Yussef Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:22:00 - [65] Edited by: Yussef on 18/12/2007 17:25:04 One day I hope our alliance can achieve the holy grail of eve: not holding space.
WraithFire Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:27:00 - [66] It is indeed true that BoB is in a very serious predicament, but it seems that their only exit strategy is to fight and hope for a leverage. When they named their last stronghold to be the "Alamo," it is somehow a hint that there will be no acceptable exit strategy except to fight. Although, I would not assume that some of BoB's members are without hope. I think some are hoping that the morale would be up again when BoB wins a relatively large fleet battle, or a new ally comes forth to help. In either case, BoB have to prove what an extraordinary alliance they are either by winning or perhaps losing. One way or the other, there would only be one answer for it is an inevitable outcome. Knowing BoB's natural propensity to create enemies, it seems clear that the situation would not improve. It is ok to talk tough, but Sir Molle have to adjust and modulate his tones especially during these times when BoB is currently battling on several fronts. However, it seems that it is too late for that.
Zell Shadowcast The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:32:00 - [67] Originally by: WraithFire It is indeed true that BoB is in a very serious predicament, but it seems that their only exit strategy is to fight and hope for a leverage. When they named their last stronghold to be the "Alamo," it is somehow a hint that there will be no acceptable exit strategy except to fight. Although, I would not assume that some of BoB's members are without hope. I think some are hoping that the morale would be up again when BoB wins a relatively large fleet battle, or a new ally comes forth to help. In either case, BoB have to prove what an extraordinary alliance they are either by winning or perhaps losing. One way or the other, there would only be one answer for it is an inevitable outcome. Knowing BoB's natural propensity to create enemies, it seems clear that the situation would not improve. It is ok to talk tough, but Sir Molle have to adjust and modulate his tones especially during these times when BoB is currently battling on several fronts. However, it seems that it is too late for that. Not only that, but once the panthers and sharks have been freed from their oppression, they will already have won. For truly withstanding such nonstop assault for so long against so many people is winning in its own right. No one can claim to have withstood such brute force, and no one can claim to have weathered such terrible times. No matter the outcome, they have already won, and there is nothing that anyone can say to dispute that. God have mercy on our souls if they lose their space and are turned loose upon the galaxy. Lightning fast fangs in the dark tearing at the tender underbelly of the burdened goons.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:37:00 - [68] Originally by: Cvuos 1. No major alliance has survived losing all their space and remaining in their past form. 2. There is no such thing as a supercap fleet based out of NPC stations and empire. 3. Dying takes time. There is no dramatic final blow. There is a push to a brink, then it crumbles from the inside with absent directors, smaller fleets, quiet desertion, internal drama and the usual excuses of "didn't want that 0.0 anyway", "pos wars are boring", "now we are truly free". LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore. This isn't true for all of BoB but for lots of it, particularly the recent individual joiners who consider(ed) it the end-game. The time from the beginning of the LV campaign to the end of organized resistance wasn't very long, but it took more than twice that time before it was really over. you don't know bob! They can hurt with out caps and stations anyhow! I flown with these guys years back in the north when i was in kr0m killing fade! I dout they would ever die because they lost there outposts. Tho those were the days sigh Trinity Corporate Services
Orebuster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:46:00 - [69] Originally by: Juha85 It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production. Lets take your argument as valid on its face. They will need to produce supercapitals. Both sides will lose them, both will need to produce them, if only one side has the necessary facility to produce them, and is unwilling to sell supercaps to the other, then the writing is on the wall, no?
Atama Cardel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:51:00 - [70] What hold BoB together is that they all love to win and they are good at it. Now that they are losing their player base is going to erode away because they can't stand to lose.
mydingaling Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:28:00 - [71] panther cross shark sounds scary..
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:30:00 - [72] Is pulling out or taking the back door the best strategy? Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction."
Nobu Yori GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:37:00 - [73] My good man, taking the back door does not preclude one from pulling out. When the situation turns dire you are in fact obliged to pull out.
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:39:00 - [74] Originally by: Nobu Yori My good man, taking the back door does not preclude one from pulling out. When the situation turns dire you are in fact obliged to pull out. If a situation turns for the worse, because it is that time of the month pulling out can save you a whole lot of grief and sleepless nights.
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:42:00 - [75] Edited by: Lochmar Fiendhiem on 18/12/2007 18:46:52 I heard sirmolle got into a bit of a scruff with the devs doing PotBS, he was curious to know what sort of "privileges" he could get if he brought in a couple thousand guaranteed players. The devs didn't like this much, and sirmolle was promptly banned from the forums there. So at this time, BoB has no exit strategy, well Molly doesn't anyways. Unrelated EDIT: those people that say bob will be stronger etc blah blah blah, if bob does hold onto delve for an extended period of time, they are going to want some better moon minerals (unless for some reason delve conveniently happens to have all necessary moons, unlike every other region wink wink). The scattered bob sov system here and there throughout all BoB/pet controlled space was for those moon minerals and staging points etc etc. Cut the supply lines and you kill the enemy. If bob has to cap jump all their gear into delve, it will get pricey and become another logistics nightmare. Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:42:00 - [76] BoB will fight to the last in the Alamo I think. When the last tower is down, BoB will be fighting out of the NPC stations. I think that after awhile they will move on. I don't think they will disband. The thing about being "defeated" in eve is not losing space. In all reality it would surprise me if BoB makes the trek around the lowsec ring with their capitals into another region, evicts it's occupants and starts again. The only way to trully destroy an alliance is for them to dissolve. I think they will just move to empire when their tired of fighting out the NPC stations and when the time is right blitzkrieg through into a new region. With people consistently agreeing that no single alliance can defeat them, what would stop them from staging in Lonetrek and invading TRI or Mosus Mihi? Or Forge and making the hop into Geminate? BoB have always said they just want to find a good fight. The roaming Bob idea is not what you would expect from them, but I think it is a viable possibility, but I see them just bum-rushing someone else's region and setting up shop again. No BoB is not dead, they are about to have the time of their lives. And if they lose Delve, well I think they'll call it a goodfight, and go looking for another one. -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:47:00 - [77] Originally by: McFly BoB will fight to the last in the Alamo I think. When the last tower is down, BoB will be fighting out of the NPC stations. I think that after awhile they will move on. I don't think they will disband. The thing about being "defeated" in eve is not losing space. In all reality it would surprise me if BoB makes the trek around the lowsec ring with their capitals into another region, evicts it's occupants and starts again. The only way to trully destroy an alliance is for them to dissolve. I think they will just move to empire when their tired of fighting out the NPC stations and when the time is right blitzkrieg through into a new region. With people consistently agreeing that no single alliance can defeat them, what would stop them from staging in Lonetrek and invading TRI or Mosus Mihi? Or Forge and making the hop into Geminate? BoB have always said they just want to find a good fight. The roaming Bob idea is not what you would expect from them, but I think it is a viable possibility, but I see them just bum-rushing someone else's region and setting up shop again. No BoB is not dead, they are about to have the time of their lives. And if they lose Delve, well I think they'll call it a goodfight, and go looking for another one. Don't awake the tiger!
Juha85 Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:50:00 - [78] Originally by: Orebuster Originally by: Juha85 It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production. Lets take your argument as valid on its face. They will need to produce supercapitals. Both sides will lose them, both will need to produce them, if only one side has the necessary facility to produce them, and is unwilling to sell supercaps to the other, then the writing is on the wall, no? Yes, but unless the coalition blob makes it's life mission to go around new eden chasing bob it wont take too long until they have a new region. --------------------------------------- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
mydingaling Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:51:00 - [79] Originally by: McFly BoB will fight to the last in the Alamo. Who else loves "Alamo" comparisons?.
fell1234 Heracles.	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:51:00 - [80] Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: Orebuster Originally by: Juha85 It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production. Lets take your argument as valid on its face. They will need to produce supercapitals. Both sides will lose them, both will need to produce them, if only one side has the necessary facility to produce them, and is unwilling to sell supercaps to the other, then the writing is on the wall, no? Yes, but unless the coalition blob makes it's life mission to go around new eden chasing bob it wont take too long until they have a new region. How many members do you think bobs going to lose when they are all cowering in a npc station unable to undock? Im willing to bet ALOT.
Juha85 Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:54:00 - [81] Originally by: fell1234 Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: Orebuster Originally by: Juha85 It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production. Lets take your argument as valid on its face. They will need to produce supercapitals. Both sides will lose them, both will need to produce them, if only one side has the necessary facility to produce them, and is unwilling to sell supercaps to the other, then the writing is on the wall, no? Yes, but unless the coalition blob makes it's life mission to go around new eden chasing bob it wont take too long until they have a new region. How many members do you think bobs going to lose when they are all cowering in a npc station unable to undock? Im willing to bet ALOT. Do you actually think that bob members are that n00b that they will be stuck in an NPC station unable to undock? God... rule #1 of war times in eve: Never dock&log. --------------------------------------- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Westly Synpa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:56:00 - [82] Originally by: mydingaling Originally by: McFly BoB will fight to the last in the Alamo. Who else loves "Alamo" comparisons?. i do because they all died.
mydingaling Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:58:00 - [83] Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: fell1234 Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: Orebuster Originally by: Juha85 It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production. Lets take your argument as valid on its face. They will need to produce supercapitals. Both sides will lose them, both will need to produce them, if only one side has the necessary facility to produce them, and is unwilling to sell supercaps to the other, then the writing is on the wall, no? Yes, but unless the coalition blob makes it's life mission to go around new eden chasing bob it wont take too long until they have a new region. How many members do you think bobs going to lose when they are all cowering in a npc station unable to undock? Im willing to bet ALOT. Do you actually think that bob members are that n00b that they will be stuck in an NPC station unable to undock? God... rule #1 of war times in eve: Never dock&log. Stealth Bombers flown by panther cross sharks?....
fell1234 Heracles.	Posted - 2007.12.18 19:00:00 - [84] Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: fell1234 Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: Orebuster Originally by: Juha85 It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production. Lets take your argument as valid on its face. They will need to produce supercapitals. Both sides will lose them, both will need to produce them, if only one side has the necessary facility to produce them, and is unwilling to sell supercaps to the other, then the writing is on the wall, no? Yes, but unless the coalition blob makes it's life mission to go around new eden chasing bob it wont take too long until they have a new region. How many members do you think bobs going to lose when they are all cowering in a npc station unable to undock? Im willing to bet ALOT. Do you actually think that bob members are that n00b that they will be stuck in an NPC station unable to undock? God... rule #1 of war times in eve: Never dock&log. Ummm its more a metaphore of having all of their assets frozen in a station and them being unable to show their faces anywhere without dying. And yes BoB is going to be shedding TONS of members. People join bob to be on the winning team. why else would people put up with pompous ****ers? You can get away with being arrogant and pompous when you are winning. Its not nearly so endearing when you are being purged.
Juha85 Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.12.18 19:17:00 - [85] Originally by: fell1234 Ummm its more a metaphore of having all of their assets frozen in a station and them being unable to show their faces anywhere without dying. And yes BoB is going to be shedding TONS of members. People join bob to be on the winning team. why else would people put up with pompous ****ers? You can get away with being arrogant and pompous when you are winning. Its not nearly so endearing when you are being purged. And yet again: Do you think bob members will have any significant assets stuck in those stations when they finally fall (if they do)? But yes, you are probably right, bob will lose members but those members are the ones who deserve to go anyway. Only the one's who are really committed to the alliance will stay when the going goes tough. It's the same for every alliance. I cant be sure but I would expect that the majority of BoB are the more loyal variant... --------------------------------------- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
fell1234 Heracles.	Posted - 2007.12.18 19:19:00 - [86] Edited by: fell1234 on 18/12/2007 19:21:50 Edited by: fell1234 on 18/12/2007 19:21:03 Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: fell1234 Ummm its more a metaphore of having all of their assets frozen in a station and them being unable to show their faces anywhere without dying. And yes BoB is going to be shedding TONS of members. People join bob to be on the winning team. why else would people put up with pompous ****ers? You can get away with being arrogant and pompous when you are winning. Its not nearly so endearing when you are being purged. Why would you expect that? BoB isnt loyal to its allies/pets why would the same people who endorse that behavior be anymore loyal to BoB? Sorry doesn't work that way BoB's membership has reached its peak its all downhill from here. And yes id be willing to bet there is a substantial amount of assets in the npc stations in delve:P
George Clinton Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 19:21:00 - [87] Originally by: Blitz'Krieg Perhaps offer finfleet amnesty from future action if they pulled out (they did join late in the game)? finfleet was in lotka volterra you stupid****got
Westly Synpa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 19:22:00 - [88] Originally by: George Clinton Originally by: Blitz'Krieg Perhaps offer finfleet amnesty from future action if they pulled out (they did join late in the game)? finfleet was in lotka volterra you stupid****got hey man chill finfleet will get what's comming to em.
George Clinton Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 19:27:00 - [89] the best corp in the game deserves nothing less
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.12.18 20:49:00 - [90] Originally by: McFly BoB have always said they just want to find a good fight. The roaming Bob idea is not what you would expect from them, but I think it is a viable possibility, but I see them just bum-rushing someone else's region and setting up shop again. No BoB is not dead, they are about to have the time of their lives. And if they lose Delve, well I think they'll call it a goodfight, and go looking for another one. Odd.. I was always under the impression that BoB wanted nothing less then to control all 0.0 space. Since that dosen't seem possible anymore... they are changing their victory conditions to better suit them.. Controlling all 0.0 is no longer a feasible win scenario... Then it was just looking for a good fight. Now its holding delve and "the Alamo" to the last man. So will BoB victory conditions soon be "escaping to empire"? At what point is victory declared? When the BoB advance is halted? When BoB starts loosing ground When bob withdraws to their last region? When BoB is down to 1 station? When BoB is running to empire? When the Alliance is disbanded but the corps remain? When the Corps start disbanding but the major players still play? When all former and past BoB members cancel or quit? Personally I think its when BoB is denied their desire to "own all of 0.0" and is reduced to a single system of control. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master Which is worse.. the Carebear or the pirate that whines about them?
true enjoyment GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 21:01:00 - [91] Edited by: true enjoyment on 18/12/2007 21:01:18 i hope it doesn't go that far edit: i will stop flying if it seems like it is going to go this far
Zenst Gallente Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.18 21:12:00 - [92] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr You're all jumping to conclusions. You have to shoot the animal before you can eat it. I'm soooo not having lobster at your house, and sushi is well of the menu :D
Zenst Gallente Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.18 21:15:00 - [93] Originally by: true enjoyment Edited by: true enjoyment on 18/12/2007 21:01:18 i hope it doesn't go that far edit: i will stop flying if it seems like it is going to go this far I sence a disturbance in the force.
Zanquis	Posted - 2007.12.18 21:20:00 - [94] Be careful what you wish for. Most especially if your in Goon I would start to look forward and think about your future. The enemy you know is easier to deal with then the enemy you do not. If BoB fractures do not fool yourself into thinking that they will all go their separate ways and be hunted down by everybody out of revenge for BoB. They still have a fantastic amount of cap pilots and a Titan and those assets will go somewhere. The disbandment of BoB could cause a massive power shift which nobody saw coming because its very possible their assets can fall to another alliance you never thought of before and make them a sudden super power with a large cap fleet and a titan. Hate them or like them, if your running an alliance and have the opportunity to pick up some of BoB's more powerful corps I think you might jump at that opportunity so long as you see eye to eye.
fell1234 Heracles.	Posted - 2007.12.18 21:28:00 - [95] Originally by: Zanquis Be careful what you wish for. Most especially if your in Goon I would start to look forward and think about your future. The enemy you know is easier to deal with then the enemy you do not. If BoB fractures do not fool yourself into thinking that they will all go their separate ways and be hunted down by everybody out of revenge for BoB. They still have a fantastic amount of cap pilots and a Titan and those assets will go somewhere. The disbandment of BoB could cause a massive power shift which nobody saw coming because its very possible their assets can fall to another alliance you never thought of before and make them a sudden super power with a large cap fleet and a titan. Hate them or like them, if your running an alliance and have the opportunity to pick up some of BoB's more powerful corps I think you might jump at that opportunity so long as you see eye to eye. Dont waken the slumbering giant!
Dirap GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 21:31:00 - [96] Originally by: Princess Hopy What most of the people here dont get is that even if BoB is pushed out from their current territory it still took a very large force to do so. BoB is still, even after this, capable of taking any alliance in the game 1vs1 and claiming their space very quickly. Then the only thing that can be done to stop this is to bring the same huge blob of alliances to attack them again.. I dont know, but to me that sounds like alot of work and not particularily fun. What i'd like to see would be BoB utilizing their superiour capital fleet and basing from npc space striking strategic targets, destroying them and leaving them in ruins before moving to a new target again. When bob is pushed out of their space, it is very unlikely that it will be the same bob that we know and love today. Loosing your home space has a very serious demoralizing affect. Search for "failure cascade". Many alliances who have come before and been destroyed have tried to spin their defeat as "Now we don't have POSes to weight us down and we can be even more powerful then before!! ". It has never worked out like that.
true enjoyment GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 21:34:00 - [97] Originally by: fell1234 Originally by: Zanquis Be careful what you wish for. Most especially if your in Goon I would start to look forward and think about your future. The enemy you know is easier to deal with then the enemy you do not. If BoB fractures do not fool yourself into thinking that they will all go their separate ways and be hunted down by everybody out of revenge for BoB. They still have a fantastic amount of cap pilots and a Titan and those assets will go somewhere. The disbandment of BoB could cause a massive power shift which nobody saw coming because its very possible their assets can fall to another alliance you never thought of before and make them a sudden super power with a large cap fleet and a titan. Hate them or like them, if your running an alliance and have the opportunity to pick up some of BoB's more powerful corps I think you might jump at that opportunity so long as you see eye to eye. Dont waken the slumbering giant! exactly. BoB might be weak now but if they ally with an enemy alliance they might become too strong if we [goons] exterminate them then theyre hate will be undying. we would have to stop taking in newbees (new-bees) because of the fear of spies and drama and frankly goonswarm is built on a base of new bees. they are very important to how goonfleet operates and as you can plainly see forcing bob to dismantle and move to empire or to another alliance would be disasterous
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.18 21:49:00 - [98] Hey Bob, can I has ur stufz? Wherever you go... There you are...
Rocka Stargirl Hugs for the Hug Throne	Posted - 2007.12.18 22:01:00 - [99] Maybe now is the time to discuss a loan for BoB. Kind of like how Bill Gates gave Apple 150 million dollars when it looked like they were going under, to avoid being the only serious OS on the block. (**** you linux fanbois) Goons don't want to become the MicroSoft of EVE, amirite? ---
true enjoyment GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 22:08:00 - [100] Originally by: Rocka Stargirl Maybe now is the time to discuss a loan for BoB. Kind of like how Bill Gates gave Apple 150 million dollars when it looked like they were going under, to avoid being the only serious OS on the block. (**** you linux fanbois) Goons don't want to become the MicroSoft of EVE, amirite? i don't know why bill gates did it but i know he probably did it to take over apple
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.18 22:09:00 - [101] Edited by: Plutoinum on 18/12/2007 22:10:13 Originally by: Blitz'Krieg Perhaps offer finfleet amnesty from future action if they pulled out (they did join late in the game)? The idea to try to make some opponents' ingame lifes miserable forever is rediculous anyway. There must be really strong reasons to do that. Yes, I know that there was some trouble between Goons and BoB, not that story again. Well, besides that Finfleet will survive anyway. They existed on their own, before they lived with Chimaera Pact and LV in conquerable space. They can probably also live a few months in npc space again without splitting up. And about hate against the other corps: Ok, maybe I understand, why you dislike some individuals from BoB, but 'hating' whole corps ? I also don't understand, what kind of problem people have with Lady Scarlet. I know, she was a high ranking director in ATUK, and is probably also in DICE, but on the forums she's rather quiet. Don't see her flaming tbh, nevertheless she seems to be one of THE targets for extreme smack. No clue, why people say they want to hunt her down even after the war. Well, those people will get bored of it sooner or later.
Rui Nosferatu The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.18 22:10:00 - [102] Well i was in LV when we got pwned by the coalition. Really enjoyed it actually, i like pleasure and pain haha. What would have helped LV if Velios and his crew didnt run off at the first sign of big trouble. And that Chowdown and Lallante did not vanish into the mist when we needed a rapid consolidation plan to fortify one or two systems like RA did. But that didn't happen and as they say thats show business. As long as BOB's leadership dont go running into grassy fields naked gaga from panic we can expect very stiff resistance which would be fitting to the arrogant devils :)
WrathOfOprah Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 22:16:00 - [103] Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 18/12/2007 22:10:13 Originally by: Blitz'Krieg Perhaps offer finfleet amnesty from future action if they pulled out (they did join late in the game)? The idea to try to make some opponents' ingame lifes miserable forever is rediculous anyway. There must be really strong reasons to do that. Yes, I know that there was some trouble between Goons and BoB, not that story again. All has been forgiven. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. --John 3:23
Cvuos GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 22:19:00 - [104] That's the point. Most of BoB are in BoB because they want to win. It's not about "getting a good fight" or "banding with brothers". That's crap you say on the forums so you look even better when you win. When the winning stops, the would-be winners stop xing up. Cruising around Delve you see quite a few ratting Ravens flow by sub-12 month chars with ~~*pRouD m3mb4 of da BAND OF BROTHARZ*~~ in their bio and only empire merc / pirate corps in ther employment history. This is the bloat of BoB, casual players that will leave quietly when the going gets tough. Maybe the core will stick around. To do what? Camp lowsec with supercaps? It's funny how the theorycrafters in here assume that the first thing a de-regioned, de-posed entity will do is start sieging poses and taking regions.
Jovoich Towers Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.18 22:23:00 - [105] I for one hope BOB wins. Why? simply because you all expect them to fail. GL BOB
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.18 22:24:00 - [106] Originally by: WrathOfOprah And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. --John 3:23 Yes, that's what I mean. Let's just be a little bit more nice. It's almost chrismas anyway. Amen.
Blitz'Krieg Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics	Posted - 2007.12.19 01:47:00 - [107] Originally by: George Clinton Originally by: Blitz'Krieg Perhaps offer finfleet amnesty from future action if they pulled out (they did join late in the game)? finfleet was in lotka volterra you stupid****got so lotka volterra have the same never ending hate relationship as BoB? I could understand the BoB hatred from "there are no goons" which I personally hated (and I believe got flamed about after a post of mine) but comon for gods sake, you cant hate EVERYONE to the end of time otherwise wtf is the point? The point I was trying to make with finfleet is that the only way to break an alliance is from the inside. Allowing finfleet to go their own way would be knocking of X amount of players from BoB. Break up the alliance, not the corps and then truly you can claim victory.
General Tsao GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.19 01:53:00 - [108] Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 18/12/2007 14:38:04 Originally by: Cvuos LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore. I been there when Velios came on crossroad with left turn for PvP life or right turn for picking up flowers in his guarden. He didnt take left turn. Thats the difference between many others and BoB. And after all this time ppl dont get it still. Anybody esle, ANYBODY else that would be in our shoes would already see many members not loging on, or leaving corps and alliances. Maybe one day, after many glasses of milk, you might realize what benefit some, and others not Even Cincinattus was a farmer, just sayin.
General Tsao GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.19 01:56:00 - [109] Originally by: Plutoinum I also don't understand, what kind of problem people have with Lady Scarlet. I know, she was a high ranking director in ATUK, and is probably also in DICE, but on the forums she's rather quiet. Don't see her flaming tbh, nevertheless she seems to be one of THE targets for extreme smack. No clue, why people say they want to hunt her down even after the war. Well, those people will get bored of it sooner or later. She has a big mouth if you know what I mean. She also throws her weight around in local and is therefore quite a large target for smacktalk and flames. If she would minimize the impact she has on her immediate surroundings she could really leave less of an impression on everyone.
Orion Moonstar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.19 02:10:00 - [110] I [support/refute] the [idea/inferences/wild theory] made by [the op/above poster] and will fully [wait/cry] until I see this [proven/implemented]. Yours [in hatred/truly] LOVEU
UneFraiseDansUneChaise GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.19 02:18:00 - [111] Originally by: General Tsao Originally by: Plutoinum I also don't understand, what kind of problem people have with Lady Scarlet. I know, she was a high ranking director in ATUK, and is probably also in DICE, but on the forums she's rather quiet. Don't see her flaming tbh, nevertheless she seems to be one of THE targets for extreme smack. No clue, why people say they want to hunt her down even after the war. Well, those people will get bored of it sooner or later. She has a big mouth if you know what I mean. She also throws her weight around in local and is therefore quite a large target for smacktalk and flames. If she would minimize the impact she has on her immediate surroundings she could really leave less of an impression on everyone. But yet, I feel an inexorable gravitation to her generous personality - largesse, if you will.
Ungdall Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.19 03:17:00 - [112] Originally by: UneFraiseDansUneChaise Goons fascination with insulting the larger members of the internet is humors at least and gut-wrenching funny at medium. Ask not of most. Since most goons are either freakishly thing or freakishly large, it stands to reason that all of the insults and hate come from repressed self-loathing.
UneFraiseDansUneChaise GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.19 03:21:00 - [113] Originally by: Ungdall Originally by: UneFraiseDansUneChaise Goons fascination with insulting the larger members of the internet is humors at least and gut-wrenching funny at medium. Ask not of most. Since most goons are either freakishly thing or freakishly large, it stands to reason that all of the insults and hate come from repressed self-loathing. ~im a seksi girl, y'al jus JEALUS~
Spaace GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.19 03:38:00 - [114] Originally by: Ungdall Goons fascination with insulting the larger members of the internet is humors at least and gut-wrenching funny at medium. Ask not of most. Since most goons are either freakishly thing or freakishly large, it stands to reason that all of the insults and hate come from repressed self-loathing. I, for one, am not so fascinated with large members. "Stand still and consider the wondrous works of OHGOD." - Brosefs 37:14 *click*
CueBee Vengeance of the Fallen	Posted - 2007.12.19 05:16:00 - [115] Originally by: Blitz'Krieg so lotka volterra have the same never ending hate relationship as BoB? Yes? Part of the Xirt School of Intel is the important Brainwashing 101 class. I'd suggest that assuming BoB is dead "just because" is a good way to get lax, and find out the hard way that they are still fighting. --- heehaw?
Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.19 05:40:00 - [116] Originally by: TroNaaR Hey Bob, can I has ur stufz? Why yes you can, kill us first. -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.19 10:01:00 - [117] My 2 cents of what will happen: 1) BOB will not die has alliance; 2) Even if they loose all the space, they will go reshape a bit in empire and make a huge cleansing in their ranks, reducing their members in about 2/3, and probably getting rid of all the spys; 3) Reshape a bit more; 4) Strike again. I just cant see them dying because they lost a region (IF they loose)...
Mynx La'Rue GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.19 10:05:00 - [118] Originally by: Dafuzz Originally by: TroNaaR Hey Bob, can I has ur stufz? Why yes you can, kill us first. Now entire EVE universe is fighting with BoB. How long can you hold, how do you think? Weeks, months? I say, you should surrender to avoid greater losses. You fought with honour, now loose with honour.
Cvuos GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.19 10:07:00 - [119] Originally by: Mynx La'Rue You fought with honour, now loose with honour. I would of choosen that to.
Major Donkage Piss Bottle Junkies	Posted - 2007.12.19 10:34:00 - [120] Originally by: Cvuos Originally by: Mynx La'Rue You fought with honour, now loose with honour. I would of choosen that to. me to dawg sips mojito Signature removed. Lacks Eve Content - Valorem hay guyz wuts happenen in dis thread? not vasili z dawg
Bladen Kerst Caldari Bladen Kerst Innovations	Posted - 2007.12.19 14:11:00 - [121] In order to understand what will happen you need to know history. It all happened before. The siege of C-J6MT is a nice example how a small group of people defeated a much more numerous coalition of players by making them loose interest in fighting them. It looks like BoB is preparing to give coalition last stand in Delve, so be prepared to fight not only BoB but lag as well.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.12.19 15:06:00 - [122] Originally by: Eleese Tbh I think bob are much more appealing place to be now than what they were when they would steam roll people like ASCN easily... Much more fun being outnumbered and losing occasionally. For the regular gamer perhaps but is that who BoB has been attracting all these years? We all heard that catmans, Kugetsomoany or whats his face, whine when BoB lost to Star Fraction in the alliance tournament. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.19 15:11:00 - [123] Originally by: Mynx La'Rue Originally by: Dafuzz Originally by: TroNaaR Hey Bob, can I has ur stufz? Why yes you can, kill us first. Now entire EVE universe is fighting with BoB. How long can you hold, how do you think? Weeks, months? I say, you should surrender to avoid greater losses. You fought with honour, now loose with honour. We will hold out. We do fight with honor, and we don't lose very well when we do lose. By lose, it merely means we don't get a fight. That is the lose that hurts the most. And, Ms. La'Rue, please please peruse this site for your edification: (not a rickroll) Thanks! -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
Ferocitana Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.19 19:46:00 - [124] 1) Move most of the alliance assets to empire 2) Leave a harrying force that would inflict maximum damage for minimum losses to make them pay for the space 3) send out a few trusted members to infiltrate future targets, do this as if they were leaving because they dont like bob etc 4) Use guerilla hotdrop's and raids to take out obvious industrial targets of their enemies. -------------------------- 1) Move most of the alliance assets to empire make loss minimum cause they know they gonna loose? 2) Leave a harrying force that would inflict maximum damage for minimum losses to make them pay for the space Give us toys to play with as we take systems. We love it. give us empty systems to just shoot pos, booring to death. I repeat. DEATH.. 3) send out a few trusted members to infiltrate future targets, do this as if they were leaving because they dont like bob etc People allways do this here. havent helped any non goons having spies in goonswarm yet. Repeat statment to 2. Giev us toys to play with. 4) Use guerilla hotdrop's and raids to take out obvious industrial targets of their enemies. Rpeating statment 2: Give us toys to play with as we take systems. We love it. give us empty systems to just shoot pos, booring to death. I repeat. DEATH.. to future statement. Moar targets! NIFNIF!
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.12.19 21:33:00 - [125] Nuke Texas ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master Which is worse.. the Carebear or the pirate that whines about them?
Keith Olbermann	Posted - 2007.12.19 21:41:00 - [126] Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 18/12/2007 22:10:13 Originally by: Blitz'Krieg Perhaps offer finfleet amnesty from future action if they pulled out (they did join late in the game)? The idea to try to make some opponents' ingame lifes miserable forever is rediculous anyway. There must be really strong reasons to do that. Yes, I know that there was some trouble between Goons and BoB, not that story again. Well, besides that Finfleet will survive anyway. They existed on their own, before they lived with Chimaera Pact and LV in conquerable space. They can probably also live a few months in npc space again without splitting up. And about hate against the other corps: Ok, maybe I understand, why you dislike some individuals from BoB, but 'hating' whole corps ? I also don't understand, what kind of problem people have with Lady Scarlet. I know, she was a high ranking director in ATUK, and is probably also in DICE, but on the forums she's rather quiet. Don't see her flaming tbh, nevertheless she seems to be one of THE targets for extreme smack. No clue, why people say they want to hunt her down even after the war. Well, those people will get bored of it sooner or later. Remember what bob did with cyvok? Well, goons try it with their eve-less class and even more ******** juvinille approach.
Matty Walker Body Heat LLP	Posted - 2007.12.19 23:02:00 - [127] Originally by: Keith Olbermann Originally by: Westly Synpa Originally by: mydingaling Originally by: McFly BoB will fight to the last in the Alamo. Who else loves "Alamo" comparisons?. i do because they all died. Funny, what happened to Mexico and Texas after The Alamo? I know! Texas went on to achieve independence, then surrender it by joining the United States. Then Texas seceded, joined the Confederacy, and got the crap kicked out of it by the Union. Then Texas endured an occupation (excuse me, "reconstruction") government and eventually got taken back into the same country it fought to get out of. Later on, Texas got its revenge on the rest of the country: his name is George Walker Bush. As for Mexico: let's not go there, mm'kay?
K'reemy G'udness The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.19 23:48:00 - [128] Originally by: Matty Walker Originally by: Keith Olbermann Originally by: Westly Synpa Originally by: mydingaling Originally by: McFly BoB will fight to the last in the Alamo. Who else loves "Alamo" comparisons?. i do because they all died. Funny, what happened to Mexico and Texas after The Alamo? I know! Texas went on to achieve independence, then surrender it by joining the United States. Then Texas seceded, joined the Confederacy, and got the crap kicked out of it by the Union. Then Texas endured an occupation (excuse me, "reconstruction") government and eventually got taken back into the same country it fought to get out of. Later on, Texas got its revenge on the rest of the country: his name is George Walker Bush. As for Mexico: let's not go there, mm'kay? Mmmm sweet manifest destiny! Also, I'm going to Mexico for X-mas. Felice Navidad! ---
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.19 23:57:00 - [129] Originally by: Juha85 Originally by: Zell Shadowcast I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space. A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels. We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable. You are horrible at trying to be sarcastic. Do you seriously think that if BoB would lose their space they would just disappear? The only thing you really need space for in eve is supercapital production. Is that why they and everyone else held space before super capitals were even in the game? Furthermore... Without necessarily agreeing with his point, I thought his was a fine example of sarcasm. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli

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