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Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.02.06 00:45:00 -
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I came to New Eden 6 years ago.
As I came up in ship types from interceptors, to battleships, command ships to eventually capitals. I have always been a fan of carriers.
After many boring and uneventful memberships in less capital hungry alliances, I found a home: Foundati0n. Foundati0n Vs RA
My love for carriers and the prowess they provided on the battlefield flourished here. Every day I had someone to kill in my Chimera. I held on to my Chimera, fortunate to never lose one in combat for a couple years. Kills and experience stacked, and my fondness for these ships grew and grew.
But alas, Foundati0n wasn't forever. The amazing FC's (Valdor Hag one of them), the skillful use of triage carriers, PA's voice over coms... gone. I docked my Chimera and returned to empire, always itching for another hot drop.
That was 5 years ago. Half a decade. I realize things evolve. Evolution should be on a fluid linear line, not a forceful change of events given by CCP. After nearly half a year of not playing eve, I had hoped to come back and join the political machine in null once more. I longed for that order to jump, the flash and thunder of the jump drive... but unless it's a super capital; I would never feel that rush once more.
Carriers and dreads are nothing more but fodder for the titans. Titans which were never seen in combat except for drive by dooms days... Ships that took massive effort to build... are now the battleships of alliances. Perhaps it's true that Eve has run its course. The new generations of capsulears will never feel the same way I did after my first carrier kill. Things that were once the talk of local and corp, are nothing more than frigates to alliances.
My plea CCP, fix capitals. Give carriers and dreads their place once more. Give the new players of Eve something to look up to. The stories of capital fights are nothing but a myth anymore. But CCP; you can fix this. |

Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.02.06 00:51:00 -
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Angel Lust
Vikinghall
31
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Posted - 2012.02.06 00:52:00 -
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Buhuuu... Titan killed my chimera  |

Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.02.06 00:52:00 -
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Angel Lust wrote:Buhuuu... Titan killed my chimera 
I have never lost a capital in combat. Have lost many ships to titans DDD though.
Also, if you had the experience we had back then... You would be asking the same thing. |

IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
87
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Posted - 2012.02.06 00:55:00 -
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CCP would rather flood the game with ISK and minerals so people get some quick gratification and just pray one of their future releases is out before the eventual cascade. |

Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
194
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Posted - 2012.02.06 04:40:00 -
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Anything we can build becomes plentiful if it has a use by being plentiful.
Here's my idea for supercaps
Quote: Titans:
Remove Doomsday and add increased benefit to Warfare Links
Quote:Super Carriers:
Change the name back to motherships.
Remove their drone bay entirely
Give it 8 high slots.
Increase the range bonus to remote beneficial devices to 100% / level instead of 50%.
Allow them to give a bonus to an equal number of non-capital ships as they could previously field Fighters. The bonuses would be from the increased computing power of the mothership, and would improve Scan Resolution, Tracking, Sensor Strength, Targeting Range, & Reduce the effect of target velocity on missile damage. You could add other bonuses with the idea that the extra computing power allows capacitor or shields to operate more efficiently as well, etc. etc., but that would be more of a stretch.
Then it would be a mothership, and it would'n't be fielded in a fleet of 20 motherships and nothing else, as it would be useless without sub-caps for it to give a boost to.
unless you do that, or something else that is similarly limiting, then these ships will continue to be mass-produced and mass-fielded. Why bring 20 carriers if you can bring 20 super-carriers? if cost and time is the only barrier, people have proven time and time again that they'll find the isk, and they'll spend the time. The only way to limit them is to make their usefulness limited. |

Umega
Solis Mensa
102
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Posted - 2012.02.06 05:01:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote: unless you do that, or something else that is similarly limiting, then these ships will continue to be mass-produced and mass-fielded. Why bring 20 carriers if you can bring 20 super-carriers? if cost and time is the only barrier, people have proven time and time again that they'll find the isk, and they'll spend the time. The only way to limit them is to make their usefulness limited.
Why should they be limited?
Better off working over dreads n carriers than ******* over titans n moms, yet again. Keep on bending over s-caps over n over n over.. when a simple rework of the caps would be more helpful. The s-caps should remain and always be super power'd machines.
Here's a lil secret why.. some of you people are dellusional to think that removal or nerf of s-caps some how opens the door for smaller alliances to grow and fight against the bigger ones. There will be new tactics in place.. and guess what the lil secret is.. the larger alliances are going to have more resources and a better logistics backbone (you dont become powerful without a strong n stable industrial/logistics backbone, and no.. not the healing logi ships, real logistics). The larger alliances will end up fielding what the new flavor is in more numbers, off the line faster, more in reserve and field power than the smaller alliances.. and the circle *****-fit continues onward without much change. All that will change is bitching about a different ship and/or ship class.
Better off looking for cyno changes that allow smaller sub-cap guerilla warfare to become more successful instead of eaten by a hot drop. That will allow more diversity and complex strategies smaller groups can imploy to be a thorn and cause enough havoc so a swarm of smaller alliances can piranha a larger fish.
And anyone that even thinks they have a demented right to stand a chance in an open field fleet vs fleet slugfest against a larger opponent that fields more ships, and more powerful endgame ships is an idiot that deserves to get owned repeatedly, nor should ever be a leader of anyone. Infact.. that kind of logic is borderline senile and those people should seek rl medical mental care.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1939
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Posted - 2012.02.06 05:12:00 -
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sandbox games don't have an endgame, fyi andski for csm7~ |

Messoroz
AQUILA INC 0ccupational Hazzard
149
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Posted - 2012.02.06 05:14:00 -
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Join wormhole space, where supers are banned and capitals roam free. |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1156
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Posted - 2012.02.06 05:27:00 -
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I approve of this plea.
Boost capitals! More hulls! New modules for better damage vs sub caps. T2 CWAR hulls for anti super lovin!
Nerf subs from killing supers directly and vice versa! Supers should have cap blobs to survive, not sub cap blobs. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1939
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Posted - 2012.02.06 05:32:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:I approve of this plea.
Boost capitals! More hulls! New modules for better damage vs sub caps. T2 CWAR hulls for anti super lovin!
Nerf subs from killing supers directly and vice versa! Supers should have cap blobs to survive, not sub cap blobs.
you're an idiot andski for csm7~ |

Allyia Base
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 05:42:00 -
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Real simple fix, remove supers from the game. They have no place in it. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1939
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Posted - 2012.02.06 05:43:00 -
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Allyia Base wrote:Real simple fix, remove supers from the game. They have no place in it.
that'll never happen andski for csm7~ |

Tore Vest
192
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:03:00 -
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Allyia Base wrote:Real simple fix, remove supers from the game. They have no place in it.
I wouldnt mind that.... as long i got wasted traing back... and isk for super.. Then all (bitter) vets can pay all their acc with gtc and do highsec incursions 
Highsec carebear... and proud of it |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1940
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:09:00 -
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instead, how about giving pilots the mineral equivalent of their supercapitals in rifters andski for csm7~ |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
322
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:10:00 -
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andski for csm7 |

ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
574
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:21:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:Anything we can build becomes plentiful if it has a use by being plentiful. Here's my idea for supercaps Quote: Titans:
Remove Doomsday and add increased benefit to Warfare Links
Quote:Super Carriers:
Change the name back to motherships.
Remove their drone bay entirely
Give it 8 high slots.
Increase the range bonus to remote beneficial devices to 100% / level instead of 50%.
Allow them to give a bonus to an equal number of non-capital ships as they could previously field Fighters. The bonuses would be from the increased computing power of the mothership, and would improve Scan Resolution, Tracking, Sensor Strength, Targeting Range, & Reduce the effect of target velocity on missile damage. You could add other bonuses with the idea that the extra computing power allows capacitor or shields to operate more efficiently as well, etc. etc., but that would be more of a stretch.
Then it would be a mothership, and it would'n't be fielded in a fleet of 20 motherships and nothing else, as it would be useless without sub-caps for it to give a boost to. unless you do that, or something else that is similarly limiting, then these ships will continue to be mass-produced and mass-fielded. Why bring 20 carriers if you can bring 20 super-carriers? if cost and time is the only barrier, people have proven time and time again that they'll find the isk, and they'll spend the time. The only way to limit them is to make their usefulness limited. Motherships are a lame name. Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |

Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
127
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:31:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Ris Dnalor wrote:Anything we can build becomes plentiful if it has a use by being plentiful. Here's my idea for supercaps Quote: Titans:
Remove Doomsday and add increased benefit to Warfare Links
Quote:Super Carriers:
Change the name back to motherships.
Remove their drone bay entirely
Give it 8 high slots.
Increase the range bonus to remote beneficial devices to 100% / level instead of 50%.
Allow them to give a bonus to an equal number of non-capital ships as they could previously field Fighters. The bonuses would be from the increased computing power of the mothership, and would improve Scan Resolution, Tracking, Sensor Strength, Targeting Range, & Reduce the effect of target velocity on missile damage. You could add other bonuses with the idea that the extra computing power allows capacitor or shields to operate more efficiently as well, etc. etc., but that would be more of a stretch.
Then it would be a mothership, and it would'n't be fielded in a fleet of 20 motherships and nothing else, as it would be useless without sub-caps for it to give a boost to. unless you do that, or something else that is similarly limiting, then these ships will continue to be mass-produced and mass-fielded. Why bring 20 carriers if you can bring 20 super-carriers? if cost and time is the only barrier, people have proven time and time again that they'll find the isk, and they'll spend the time. The only way to limit them is to make their usefulness limited. Motherships are a lame name.
I want Battle Barges. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1942
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:41:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Motherships are a lame name.
"Heavy Dominix" andski for csm7~ |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:53:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:I want Battle Barges. We have, uh battle badgers?
And so, I was asking today about carriers. And I learned repping POS was the most fun thing ever which makes training several months to rep pos efficiently a great idea!
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
376
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:05:00 -
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Don't nerf titans anymore.
Limit their ability to deploy ;)
Titans are supposed to be flagships, the grand centerpiece of a 250 man fleet who's mere presence on the battlefield turns the tide of battle. They are not, however, supposed to be the whole fleet.
Tie all of a titans systems other than their drives to being FC of a real fleet. Disallow any ability from activating(including hull bonuses etc) unless they are passing links to a certain critical mass of pilots(I like 200, but 100 is a more realistic number). This will put them back where they are supposed to be, and prevent blobbing(if you need 100 people to power up each titan, you will not be fielding 50 titans, not even the CFC can do that) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
376
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:06:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Aiwha wrote:I want Battle Barges. We have, uh battle badgers? And so, I was asking today about carriers. And I learned repping POS was the most fun thing ever which makes training several months to rep pos efficiently a great idea! I prefer the hotdrop rorqs... I think the next major fleet doctrine needs to be all ORE ships  Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:24:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Tie all of a titans systems other than their drives to being FC of a real fleet. Disallow any ability from activating(including hull bonuses etc) unless they are passing links to a certain critical mass of pilots(I like 200, but 100 is a more realistic number). This will put them back where they are supposed to be, and prevent blobbing(if you need 100 people to power up each titan, you will not be fielding 50 titans, not even the CFC can do that) Actually that would be bloody great, because it would be an amazing way to give the sde with a ton of newbies a real advantage. 100 rifter+1 titan ahoy!
Might need more than 100 rifters because they would die. |

Luh Windan
S T R A T C O M NEM3SIS.
58
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Posted - 2012.02.06 07:58:00 -
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The world has changed. Young people today will never experience *some event I am nostalgic about*. This is awful and now the world is a terrible place without hope.....
*yawn*
things change. Eve actually isn't unplayable - what has happened is that things are different (maybe better, maybe worse but nothing requiring much drama) and the OP doesn't like things changing. |

Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
89
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Posted - 2012.02.06 10:17:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Don't nerf titans anymore.
Limit their ability to deploy ;)
Titans are supposed to be flagships, the grand centerpiece of a 250 man fleet who's mere presence on the battlefield turns the tide of battle. They are not, however, supposed to be the whole fleet.
Tie all of a titans systems other than their drives to being FC of a real fleet. Disallow any ability from activating(including hull bonuses etc) unless they are passing links to a certain critical mass of pilots(I like 200, but 100 is a more realistic number). This will put them back where they are supposed to be, and prevent blobbing(if you need 100 people to power up each titan, you will not be fielding 50 titans, not even the CFC can do that) No, not everyone is part of a few thousand member coalition.
Being part of a blob coalition should not be the requirement to use a titan.
Titans just need a hard nerfbat in EW invulnerability, tracking and EHP so they die to subcaps again. |

Bel Amar
Lapse Of Sanity
26
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Posted - 2012.02.06 10:32:00 -
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Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt wrote:My plea CCP, fix capitals.
Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt wrote:I have never lost a capital in combat
You're part of the problem you're trying to solve... |

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
279
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Posted - 2012.02.06 13:46:00 -
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So basically you killed every day with you chimera, and never lost a ship in 2 yeears, at a time when carriers and dreads was at the top of the food chain.
Bit since Titans have replaced the carrier in that postition CCP should now "fix" their game, because YOU dont have the wtfpwnmobile anymore.
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LoneEcho
Band of Builders Inc. Cascade Associates
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 17:45:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:So basically you killed every day with you chimera, and never lost a ship in 2 yeears, at a time when carriers and dreads was at the top of the food chain. Bit since Titans have replaced the carrier in that postition CCP should now "fix" their game, because YOU dont have the wtfpwnmobile anymore. 
*thumbs up* |

Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:04:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:So basically you killed every day with you chimera, and never lost a ship in 2 yeears, at a time when carriers and dreads was at the top of the food chain. Bit since Titans have replaced the carrier in that postition CCP should now "fix" their game, because YOU dont have the wtfpwnmobile anymore. 
You really need to learn to read what was said. Capital battles are now an 'if you have a super' type deal. Only people who experience and talk about capital battles are those fortunate enough to have no life and can afford an super. Those of us who socialize outside of eve tend to lean more towards carriers and dreads; this is due to the much lower cost and less permanent requirements of the ship.
So basically I'm asking to bring back the casual experience to capital warfare. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4828
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:13:00 -
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Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt wrote:My plea CCP, fix capitals. Give carriers and dreads their place once more. The place of carriers and dreads is to explode spectacularly in vast numbers. Are you quite sure you want to bring that GÇ£backGÇ¥?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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